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		<title>By: D.C. Dish Hall of Fame Leaderboard: High-End Dining Lurks in the Background - Young &#38; Hungry - Washington City Paper</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2009/11/17/d-c-dish-hall-of-fame-leaderboard-same-as-it-ever-was/comment-page-1/#comment-11877</link>
		<dc:creator>D.C. Dish Hall of Fame Leaderboard: High-End Dining Lurks in the Background - Young &#38; Hungry - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of voting left in the D.C. Dish Hall of Fame, the leaderboard remains virtually unchanged from last week&#8217;s, save for a little jockeying at the bottom and 2Amys&#8216; suddenly move into a fourth-place tie [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of voting left in the D.C. Dish Hall of Fame, the leaderboard remains virtually unchanged from last week&#8217;s, save for a little jockeying at the bottom and 2Amys&#8216; suddenly move into a fourth-place tie [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Carman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong, I understand that point. I&#039;ve made it myself, right here, if you&#039;d care to investigate further before laying the hammer down: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2009/11/02/fast-foods-take-the-lead-in-d-c-dish-hall-of-fame-voting/

The point is this: I have received too many comments suggesting that the contest shouldn&#039;t include so many high-end dishes.It&#039;s classism, they insist. People can&#039;t afford these dishes, they tell me. But do they investigate those dishes? There is a reason that the voting period is so long: So people can go try the dishes, if they want and can afford to. 

Some of these so-called elitist dishes are not that expensive. Palena&#039;s chicken is $15. The chicken croqueta at Jaleo is only $6.50. The crispy Ipswich clams at Kinkead&#039;s are $17. People who care about food in D.C. could sample these dishes without breaking the bank.

Granted, most people won&#039;t go to Komi or CityZen just for this contest. I get that. But I&#039;m asking for some tolerance here. There are plenty of affordable dishes up for consideration. The higher-end restaurants deserve their chance, regardless if they don&#039;t stand a chance against the more populist restaurants.

To say that high-end dishes should be put in the contest, because a lot of people can&#039;t afford them, is a sort of reverse discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong, I understand that point. I've made it myself, right here, if you'd care to investigate further before laying the hammer down: <a href="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2009/11/02/fast-foods-take-the-lead-in-d-c-dish-hall-of-fame-voting/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2009/11/02/fast-foods-take-the-lead-in-d-c-dish-hall-of-fame-voting/</a></p>
<p>The point is this: I have received too many comments suggesting that the contest shouldn't include so many high-end dishes.It's classism, they insist. People can't afford these dishes, they tell me. But do they investigate those dishes? There is a reason that the voting period is so long: So people can go try the dishes, if they want and can afford to. </p>
<p>Some of these so-called elitist dishes are not that expensive. Palena's chicken is $15. The chicken croqueta at Jaleo is only $6.50. The crispy Ipswich clams at Kinkead's are $17. People who care about food in D.C. could sample these dishes without breaking the bank.</p>
<p>Granted, most people won't go to Komi or CityZen just for this contest. I get that. But I'm asking for some tolerance here. There are plenty of affordable dishes up for consideration. The higher-end restaurants deserve their chance, regardless if they don't stand a chance against the more populist restaurants.</p>
<p>To say that high-end dishes should be put in the contest, because a lot of people can't afford them, is a sort of reverse discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: Wrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim -- your methodology is as flawed as your reasoning that you don&#039;t think that price should be held against Ziebold&#039;s rolls.

What you apparently fail to understand, is that many people who are voting in your poll have probably never eaten at CityZen or Komi, but they have eaten at places like Ben&#039;s.  I don&#039;t think their voting is meant as an  objection to the price of either the rolls or the goat, i think it is a function of people not voting for what they&#039;ve never had. 

As an example, I frequent many high end (and quite a few low end) restaurants in the city -- and I&#039;ve never had either the rolls or the goat. I&#039;d be happy to vote for Palena&#039;s chicken, or Matchbox&#039;s sliders, or Ben&#039;s chili-cheese fries (I am not a fan of the half-smoke, sorry), but I won&#039;t vote for something I&#039;ve never had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim -- your methodology is as flawed as your reasoning that you don't think that price should be held against Ziebold's rolls.</p>
<p>What you apparently fail to understand, is that many people who are voting in your poll have probably never eaten at CityZen or Komi, but they have eaten at places like Ben's.  I don't think their voting is meant as an  objection to the price of either the rolls or the goat, i think it is a function of people not voting for what they've never had. </p>
<p>As an example, I frequent many high end (and quite a few low end) restaurants in the city -- and I've never had either the rolls or the goat. I'd be happy to vote for Palena's chicken, or Matchbox's sliders, or Ben's chili-cheese fries (I am not a fan of the half-smoke, sorry), but I won't vote for something I've never had.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carman</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2009/11/17/d-c-dish-hall-of-fame-leaderboard-same-as-it-ever-was/comment-page-1/#comment-11356</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Carman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B,

I tried to address that confusion with this item, which I realize not everyone has read: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2009/10/22/a-word-of-clarification-over-the-d-c-dish-hall-of-fame/

Mike and Mony, you&#039;re right about the public vs. chefs/critics voting, and I&#039;ve know this could happen all along. I will likely include a chefs/critics voting before the whole project wraps in Dec.

Thanks for the good feedback.

-Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B,</p>
<p>I tried to address that confusion with this item, which I realize not everyone has read: <a href="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2009/10/22/a-word-of-clarification-over-the-d-c-dish-hall-of-fame/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2009/10/22/a-word-of-clarification-over-the-d-c-dish-hall-of-fame/</a></p>
<p>Mike and Mony, you're right about the public vs. chefs/critics voting, and I've know this could happen all along. I will likely include a chefs/critics voting before the whole project wraps in Dec.</p>
<p>Thanks for the good feedback.</p>
<p>-Tim</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s some confusion about the definition.  If we&#039;re talking best dish, Eric Ziebold can do even better than the Parker House rolls (although they ARE pretty damn good).  If we&#039;re talking signature dish, I think it has to be at least somewhat accessible.  As much as I love CityZen I&#039;ve eaten there all of twice.  Not necessarily Ben&#039;s 1/2 smoke accessible, but somewhere in the vast gray area between Ben&#039;s and Cityzen or Komi.

This poll would be redundant in Philly or Baltimore.  You&#039;d get near universal agreement on the dish, and the only debate would involve who does it best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there's some confusion about the definition.  If we're talking best dish, Eric Ziebold can do even better than the Parker House rolls (although they ARE pretty damn good).  If we're talking signature dish, I think it has to be at least somewhat accessible.  As much as I love CityZen I've eaten there all of twice.  Not necessarily Ben's 1/2 smoke accessible, but somewhere in the vast gray area between Ben's and Cityzen or Komi.</p>
<p>This poll would be redundant in Philly or Baltimore.  You'd get near universal agreement on the dish, and the only debate would involve who does it best.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike on H Street</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike on H Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Mony.  You may not be seeing a backlash or an anti-snob vote, but rather a vote based on the items that people have actually eaten.

I&#039;ve had all but twelve of the thirty nominees, and I&#039;ve lived in DC for more than a decade.  I&#039;m going to guess that puts me ahead of a lot of people who are reading and voting.  And although I&#039;ve heard rave reviews for Frank Ruta&#039;s roast chicken, I&#039;m not going to vote on it without having tried it myself.

Whether you intended it this way or not, you&#039;re getting a Hall of Fame that represents the most widely enjoyed - and not necessarily the most impressive - dishes in the city.  Both types of lists have value, but opening up the vote to the general public instead of chefs or other industry professionals pretty much guarantees you&#039;ll end up with the former instead of the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm with Mony.  You may not be seeing a backlash or an anti-snob vote, but rather a vote based on the items that people have actually eaten.</p>
<p>I've had all but twelve of the thirty nominees, and I've lived in DC for more than a decade.  I'm going to guess that puts me ahead of a lot of people who are reading and voting.  And although I've heard rave reviews for Frank Ruta's roast chicken, I'm not going to vote on it without having tried it myself.</p>
<p>Whether you intended it this way or not, you're getting a Hall of Fame that represents the most widely enjoyed - and not necessarily the most impressive - dishes in the city.  Both types of lists have value, but opening up the vote to the general public instead of chefs or other industry professionals pretty much guarantees you'll end up with the former instead of the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Mony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you wanted a true hall of fame you would need it to be selected by restaurant critics rather than the general public (people who read this blog, but still people). I&#039;ve only been to Komi once and didn&#039;t have the goat, and never been to CityZen, and I suspect a large percentage of readers haven&#039;t been to the higher end of places enough times to put certain items up there. 
On the other hand, I&#039;ve actually eaten all ten of the items currently on the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you wanted a true hall of fame you would need it to be selected by restaurant critics rather than the general public (people who read this blog, but still people). I've only been to Komi once and didn't have the goat, and never been to CityZen, and I suspect a large percentage of readers haven't been to the higher end of places enough times to put certain items up there.<br />
On the other hand, I've actually eaten all ten of the items currently on the list.</p>
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