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Gay Marriage Opponents Inch Closer to Death

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HuffPo's Jason Linkins phrases it bluntly: "This probably isn't a very nice way of putting it, but basically, the most significant segment of the population that opposes gay marriage is the one that's closest to death." As evidence, Linkins presents this nifty chart showing the age discrepancy in gay marriage support across the 50 states. Old-timers in Alabama aren't too keen on the idea; whippersnappers in Massachusetts are all for it. The District, which kicked off same-sex marriage this year, isn't represented on the chart; Maryland and Virginia, both of which currently outlaw same-sex marriage, fall about in the middle of the pack.

  • Charlie

    Anti-gay bigotry doesn't exist in isolation. Typically some who opposes gay rights opposes rights for most groups. When you look at the chart you will notice that the states that show a majority of those under 30 opposing marriage equality are typically from states that seceded from the Union. You will also notice they are the states that did not enact the Equal Rights Amendment.

  • http://lovelettersinhell.blogspot.com LoveLettersInHell

    It also functions as a handy chart on where not to move (or where TO move, if you really want to enact change). My dude and I have been talking about living in different areas based on similarity of mindsets-- yay, we're liberal, but shouldn't we go to more conservative places to balance it out? The EXTREME jump in the oldest age group is interesting, though.

  • WB

    Can I point that us DC residents were left out of the nifty chart?

  • http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist Amanda Hess

    WB, by all means, but I did give us DC residents a shout-out as well. Dang these state-based surveys! I desperately want to know where noodlez stands in relation to the rest of the District's population.

  • http://hostesscakes.com Jiggly Puff

    Well, by noodlez cavalier use of the word faggie, and his constant blaming of gays and illegals for all of the problems suffered by black DC residents, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that he opposes gay marriage.

    I could be wrong though.

  • Em

    LoveLettersInHell: as someone liberal who lived in a very red state for a long time, I don't recommend it. It's like running into the same wall every 2 years--painful.

  • S

    Gay marriage is a red herring issue.

    All you have to do to be married is to agree to be married and then draw up a contract between yourselves that states the conditions of said marriage and the consequences of defaulting.

    How pathetic do you have be to not only allow the state to dictate the terms of your relationship but to beg for it.

  • mc

    I thought Maryland was recognizing same sex marriage now?

  • http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist Amanda Hess

    mc, they recognize them but don't perform them. Half-assed.

  • Jenny

    S, so two people of the same sex can make a contract between themselves that allows them to file their income taxes as a married couple? Great! I know a lot of couple who will be so happy to hear that.

  • Charlie

    These analyses by Lax and Philips are quite interesting. Here is a story from the GLAA Forum with a more comprehensive take of all issues of gay rights support and enactment state by state.

    http://www.glaaforum.org/glaa_forum/2009/06/statistical-analysis-of-support-for-equal-rights.html

    Support for gay issues usually tracks the Social Distance Scale. The public in all states supports the idea that gay people should not be subject to attacks and housing protections. So it is no surprise that Federal Hate Crimes protections have been achieved. Support for job protection is further down the list but it is hoped that ENDA will pass this year.

    DC on this chart would be filled in across the board with support above the 50% mark on everything.

  • S

    I didn't realize marriage (and the gay marriage "issue") was about taxes.

    Thank you for enlightening me.

  • S

    Also marriage tax breaks are unfair I tell you! They discriminate against the single and the unmarried! OPPRESSION!

  • Em

    S: we're used to trolls around here, so excuse us if you're a little unimpressive. *ignored*

  • mc

    Still, lumping MD in with VA in its "outlawing" of s/s marriage seems a bit unfair... MD is generally a lot more friendly than VA (adoption law included)

    Question about the chart if anyone knows--why is Alaska placed where it is? Seems like it should be down further.

  • http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist Amanda Hess

    No, I don't give points for dilly-dalliers. Also, chart says that Maryland is actually not a lot more friendly than Virginia.

  • http://bikegroggery.blogspot.com groggette

    mc, the states are ranked by overall support (the x's), so some states can seem a bit out of whack if the youngens are a bit less supportive than in the surrounding (in the chart) states.

  • mc

    Maybe not more friendly in its public's opinions but in its state policies, it is definitely more friendly. The fact that my upcoming marrage can be recognized there, and my partner's and my future children can legally be 'ours' there, when neither of these things would be the case in Virgina, feels a hell of a lot more 'friendly' to me. Also, can't get fired for being gay in MD, but you can in VA.

    Thanks Groggette, I didn't realize what the Xs were.

  • http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist Amanda Hess

    I'm happy to say that Maryland doesn't outlaw same-sex marriage when it stops outlawing same-sex marriage.

  • S

    Em

    Can refute my claim that tax deductions for married couples discriminate against the unmarried. Why do married couples deserve to lose less money? I think feminist ideology would call it married privilege, very traditional/patriarchal don't you think?

  • http://hostesscakes.com Jiggly Puff

    S,

    It's about so much more than taxes. Civil marriage creates kinship and kinship guarantees certain legal protections that would not exist if the state or some legal authority were not involved.

    For instance, drawing up a contract with my partner (assuming I actually had one) would mean anything to an ICU nurse if I wanted to visit my partner if something horrible happened to them.

    Child custody issues, Survivorship issues, Property ownership, etc. All these things become easy to solve within the context of legally defined kinship. So while you may think gays have given up their dignity by clamoring for 45 states and the Federal government to recognize their LEGALLY created kinship in another state, it's not just about saving a few thousand dollars on their individual tax burdens (although that's inherently unfair too).

  • kza

    If gay marriage was legal couldn't I just marry one of my buddies so I could get health insurance and shit? I could make jokes about how we lost the spark and never have sex. It would lead to many comical situation ala I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry.

  • Sarah #13

    kza: "If gay marriage was legal couldn’t I just marry one of my buddies so I could get health insurance and shit?"

    I know you're being facetious, but you could! I've read of situations where a gay man and a gay woman live in matrimony so they can enjoy marriage benefits. Why not, I say?

    More on topic, I'm glad to see this study, since I've long suspected via circumstantial evidence that gay-marriage opponents are more likely to be of the 55 and older age group. However, I always wonder if the same 18-25 crowd will grow more conservative as it ages, thereby maintaining the trend in the graph. Thoughts?

  • kza

    I like my idea. Plus when I find woman to marry I'll be able to call myself ex-gay and join the many wonderful advocate groups they have.

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  • uh huh

    even in the solidly blue state of MA 1 out of 4 people in the youngest, most liberal demographic still opposes gay marriage. that's a significant portion! is that not cause for concern?

  • cjb

    By far the biggest population group in this chart is the 45-64 age group, which encompasses the baby boom generation. You'll notice that the "All" group is very close to the 45-64 group, showing its disproportionate weight. So the mores of the baby boomers will dominate the battle on gay marriage for some time to come, and as the chart shows, they not in favor of it in any state except MA.

  • noodlez

    MS MANDY IF THE CURRENT SITUATION STAYS TO FORM YOUR QUESTION WILL NEVER GET ANSWERED. DC WILL NEVER BECOME A STATE AND THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO VOICE SUPPORT OR NON-SUPPORT FOR A BILL THAT WAS FORCED THOUGH THE BACK DOOR OF THE COUNCIL BY A WHITE, MALE, REPUBLICAN, GAY COUNCILMEMBER.

    HOWEVA IF I WAS A BETTIN MAN I WOULD WAGER THAT DC WOULD SLIDE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN NEB AND WEST VA. AS FOR ME IM AGAINST MALE HOMOSEXUALITY. I CANT SPEAK ON FEMALE HOMOSEXUALITY BECAUSE IM NOT A FEMALE. BUT IF DC VOTED TO APPROVE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE THEN I WOULD HAVE JUMPED ON BOARD.

  • Ron Avila

    Mother Nature must be a lesbian!

  • Sarah #13

    uh huh:

    The chart is for "explicit support" of same-sex marriage. I assume that this means that the surveyors don't count support for civil unions, which is probably much higher. While I myself fully support same-sex marriage, I also believe that any support is good support, even if the support is for just civil unions.

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  • Mrs. D

    If straight marriage was legal couldn’t I just marry one of my opposite-sex coworkers so I could become a legal U.S. citizen? I could make jokes about how we lost the spark and never have sex. It would lead to many comical situations ala The Proposal.

    Strawman alert.

  • Chakolate

    Maybe these old, pro-gay eyes are missing something, but where's Illinois?

  • Zrak

    This is wonderful news. The more popular same-sex marriage becomes (especially for whites) the faster the race will disappear. Here's hoping the birthrate goes negative real soon.

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  • Edwin

    I find this graph to be a little hard to believe considering shortly after this poll was taken, the Iowa Supreme court ruled unanimously in favor of gay marriage. If Iowa was actually as anti-gay marriage as this poll states, I highly doubt Iowa's supreme court would have voted unanimously for it.

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