The Sexist

Rape Victims Vs. Prison Rape Victims

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I recently headed over to the Web site for Just Detention International (formerly Stop Prison Rape) in order to learn more about this sad study reporting high rates of sexual assaults against juvenile detainees in the U.S. (Short version: one-in-eight detained youth report being sexually assaulted within their facility within the past year; 80 percent of these victims were abused by a member of the facility's staff).

The numbers make JDI's current ad campaign, which attempts to raise awareness about sexual abuse within our prison system, even more striking.

Consider the rape victim above. Then, consider her after a change of clothes:

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JDI's campaign comes in three flavors. The first is aimed at addressing rape in detention facilities. The second is aimed at promoting the sexual health of detainees:

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And the third is simply aimed at preventing jokes about prison rape:

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I love this public-awareness campaign. I think the before-and-after effect is really on point in revealing how our society completely dehumanizes detainees by condoning their sexual assaults. However, I'm afraid that I'm a bit jaded about the expectations of the "before" part of the campaign. Unfortunately, I know that there are people out there who would look on as a woman is brutally raped. There are people out there who would refuse to allow their tax dollars to go toward basic HIV prevention. And there are people who would joke about a man being raped. (That last attitude is particularly widespread). If anything, this campaign shows that it's time to address our attitudes that minimize the sexual assaults of detainees—and those which minimize the experiences of all other victims, too.

Comments

  1. #1

    I think the message of this campaign is very on point. Rape myths are widespread -- hopefully this will help challenge some of them within mainstream society.

    I agree with Amanda's critique though. My good friend was gang-raped, and I know that seeing these ads while taking the bus to work would be very destabilizing for her.

  2. #2

    The answers are:

    Yes

    No

    No

    No

    Yes

    Yes

    So, how is this effective?

  3. #3

    @Dingo: thank you for your honesty. From what I've seen, most guys in our society find it quite amusing that a man can be raped, whether in prison or not -- and of course, it's the victims fault for not being dominant enough. Just another indication of how depraved our society is.

  4. #4

    Yes
    No
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    Prison rape isnt very nice and i hope you guys sort that out. I dont think it happens much if at all in Australia. Our incarceration rates are very low compared to USA and most of the prisoners (like 75% +) are probably white so there isnt really any racial gang wars going on.

  5. #5

    Granted, incarceration rates do impact whether prison rape occurs. According the study, smaller facilities and privately run facilities had fewer reports of rape. Children who spent less time in prison were also less likely to report being victimized. Given what we know about how prisons tend to operate and the conditions they tend to create, the study results suggest that the rate of sexual violence has some correlation between how much Americans like to punish people and how frequently inmates are victimized. However, the study only reported that fewer instances occurred, not that prison rape was virtually non-existent without the American push to punish.

    What is really startling about the study is that the majority of the sexual violence is committed by females. According to the study, most youth-on-youth rape was committed by girls assaulting other girls. Of the abuse by staff, the vast majority of it was female staff raping boys:

    "Approximately 95% of all youth reporting staff sexual misconduct said they had been victimized by female facility staff (table 11). Among the estimated 2,730 adjudicated youths who had been victimized, 92% were males reporting sexual activity with female staff; an additional 2.5% were males reporting sexual activity with both female and male staff. In comparison, 91% of all adjudicated youth held in the sampled facilities were male. In 2008, 42% of staff in juvenile facilities under state jurisdiction were female. (Staff data for only sampled facilities were not available)."

    While the findings indicate a very high rate of overall sexual violence in juvenile prisons, it may result from notions about who can commit sexual violence and the efforts of some to downplay or ignore females as potential rapists.

  6. #6

    Toysoldier,

    Not all prison rapes are reported.

    Prisoners who inform on their fellow inmates are considered snitches - and snitches are very unpopular in jails (not "we won't sit with you in the mess hall" unpopular - but "we will stab you in the chow line" unpopular!)

    Perhaps the smaller facilities do a better job of bullying rape survivors to not report their attacks - and the private jails don't want to lose their contracts with the state, so they probably just outright lie and cover up the rapes.

    Also, there are jails where the officers will tell a male rape victim - especially if he's gay - to become the "girlfriend" of his assailant, because otherwise the raped inmate will be considered vulnerable to being raped by other men.

  7. #7

    It seems unlikely that both boys and girls would report high rates of sexual violence at the hands of females, but not at the hands of males. The study's methodology was fairly thorough. It is at the end of the pdf file. The researches tried their best to ensure nothing like what you described was occurring. They also specifically questions the children and did not just rely on reports given by facilities.

    Of course, that does not mean pressure and fear could not have affected the results, but it does not appear likely. Again, based on how thorough the researchers were with their methodology, I am inclined to believe the results as delivered are most likely accurate.

  8. #8

    Correction, that should read "It seems unlikely that both boys and girls would report high rates of sexual violence at the hands of females, but not report sexual violence at the hands of males."

  9. #9

    Toysoldier,

    We're talking about PRISON here - and, in prison, the authorities are in a position to punish inmates with remarkable impunity.

    The prison administration also controls what outside researchers are allowed in prison and what they are allowed to see and hear.

    That should be taken into consideration with ANY report written from inside a prison with the cooperation of prison authorities.

    Also, prison administrations routinely lie to the media and the general public about what goes on in the joint - just ask any ex offenders who are now outside of prison (and can thus speak freely) and compare that with the pack of lies you hear from the DoC about how they run the prison.

  10. #10

    "Among the estimated 2,730 adjudicated youths who had been victimized, 92% were males reporting sexual activity with female staff"

    While I'm completely behind this (and any) anti-rape program I consider the figure above to be dubious. The report is pretty consistent in distinguishing between forced sexual contact (ie, rape) and other sexual activity.

    It seems unlikely to me that male teenagers having sexual activity with female staff were not willing participants in a majority of cases. This is probably 'statutory rape', due to a lot of places in the US having ridiculously high age of consent. It might be misconduct on the part of staff but I don't think it should be directly compared to actual, forced male-on-female or male-on-male rape. At 95% it kinda inflates the statistics...

  11. #11

    ugh, make that 92%, my bad.

  12. #12

    But the whole reason behind the idea of "statutory rape" is the inherent power differential. Regardless of age, there is always a strong inherent power differential between an inmate and prison staff. I'd be very hesitant to assume that the majority of sexual conduct between teenage male prisoners and female staffers is truly consensual...the staff probably has enormous power to hurt a young boy who refuses her advances. So I think even if the boy in question is within months of his 18th birthday, true consent could probably not exist in such a situation.

  13. #13

    I have to agree with Melissa here. I'll bet the majority of that 92% was "consensual" sex where "consent" was the result of a power differential rather that using outright force. Like what often happens between teacher/student sex.

  14. #14

    Gregory and Jason, I would suggest reading the report and the methodology. Initially I was skeptical about the high percentage, however, the methodology is fairly solid. It is also incredibly unlikely that the youths would report on female inmates and staff, but not male inmates and staff. There is no reason to assume those who run prisons would not punish youths who reported sexual violence at the hands of females, but would punish those who reported sexual violence at the hands of males. People may be hesitant to the believe the high rate of female perpetrated sexual violence due to social perceptions about whether females are capable of rape and whether their actions cause any harm. Based on numerous studies about the issue, actual, forced female-on-male rape should be directly compared to actual, forced male-on-female or male-on-male rape, particularly given that statistically it has a much worse impact on the victims because of the social perceptions.

    As for the "consent" involved, according to report's findings:

    Physical force, threat of force, and other forms of pressure and coercion by facility staff were reported by an estimated 1,150 youths. Among these victims, 14% reported a male staff member as the perpetrator (including those victimized by both male and female staff).

    Male staff members made up a smaller percentage of perpetrators among youth reporting staff sexual misconduct that did not involve any force. Among the estimated 1,710 youths who experienced staff sexual misconduct without force, nearly 4% reported the involvement of a male staff member.

    Another breakdown:

    * One in 7 (14%) reported they had experienced physical force or threat of force, 11% had been offered favors or protection, and 18% had been given drugs or alcohol to engage in the sexual act or other sexual contact.

    * Most youth victimized by staff (95%) said they had not been physically injured. An estimated 2% reported 2 or more serious injuries; fewer than 1% said they sought medical attention (not shown in table).

    If one adds up the above percentages, 53% of the sexual violence involved physical force, the threat of force or coercion, meaning the boys did not or could not consent, which legally counts as rape or sexual assault depending on the state (although in many instances sexual violence against boys is prosecuted as a lesser offense).

  15. #15

    "What is really startling about the study is that the majority of the sexual violence is committed by females. According to the study, most youth-on-youth rape was committed by girls assaulting other girls. Of the abuse by staff, the vast majority of it was female staff raping boys:"

    Like any study, it's only as good as the data. You'd have to be an idiot to think that guys who get raped in prison are as eager to report it as young boys are to report the fact (if true) that they have had sex with females on the corrections staff. Beyond that it really doesn't matter hwat percentage of inmates are raped. What matters is that at any time they could be raped, and certainly the odds increase that they have been raped the longer they are in jail. You might as well throw this whole thing out as white-collar nonsense.

    The big point here is that all inmates have an increased potential for victimization simply because they are incarcerated, yet the trend is towards longer incarceration and greater overcrowding, both of which make victimization even more likely. In the end these prison-sentences become rape-sentences. We're asking for some inmates to assume alpha-dog status and effectively forcing the rest to either join a gang or become some inmates' bitch just to stay alive.

    And certainly some people not only know that this is the case, but think that these inmates deserve this. If rape is a fact of life in US prisons, and incarceration is the standard way of punishing the guilty, then the commission of a crime, either knowingly or unknowingly, either willingly or unwillingly, must result in society forcing the defendant, quite often, if they are arrested, charged and convicted of a criminal offense, into a position in which they almost certainly will be raped. It's part and parcel of the system. It doesn't matter whether it happens 75% of the time to 25% of the inmates or 25% of the time to 10% of the inmates. You know that it's going to happen to some of them, others more than the rest. If for no other reason than those who engage in prison rape have nothing to lose. It's like punishing a small child for stealing cookies by locking them up in the basement with a child-molester. Obsessing about percentages is just a way to avoid facing responsibility for what is happening.

  16. #16

    ...the other issue that results from the extended incarceration of adults in US prisons is the loss of sensitivity to crime committed against the US population at large. What do you think happens when you lock up someone in a prison for 5 years where every day they run a serious risk of either getting the shit beat out of them or gang-raped or both?

    What do you think that you would be like after 5 years of this?

    Or, ok, let's lock them up in solitary confinement for 5 years.

    Or even if they somehow aren't worried about violence or sexual assault, what do you think is going to happen if you confine a bunch of adults together for long periods of time? Would you be surprised if they start to have "consensual" sex with each other? I wouldn't be surprised at all. And what do you think that these people are going to be like when they come out of jail, as they inevitably must? My guess and I think that this only makes sense, is that you let a guy out of jail after "forced confinement" with other men for an extended period of time, he's going to try to make up for lost time, and not really give a shit if he gets caught in the process. He's going to think about all the nights that he had to turn to a cellmate for "comfort" and remember just why that had to happen. And it ain't gonna be pretty.

  17. #17

    Last but not least, I'd also think that a guy would do just about anything to stay out of jail, knowing all this. The saying "in for a penny, in for a pound" looms large.

    So what are we going to do, start to lock up everyone for everything, simply because of what they might do to stay out of jail? Let's think about it what kind of deal did they have to offer Martha Stewart to get her to agree to a plea-bargain? Jeffery Skilling and the like?

    If they were looking at 3-5 in Attica instead of some country-club jail in upstate NY? Somehow I think that they would have had no problem pleading not guilty and taking their chances. So that means that the US government maintains a *series* of country-club jails just to give "the chosen few" an out that they will actually take, rather than just rolling the dice with a jury. And the rest, well, they're either GP at some huge jail in Ohio or they're headed to a SuperMax. With maybe a Level II jail somewhere for those who try to escape and/or those who get caught roughing-up their cellmate or who get into fights with the guards.

    So yeah, what is it? 2 million or 20 million, incarcerated in the US? I forget. Again does it matter whether 25% of them or 85% of them will be raped while serving their time? No it doesn't matter worth a shit. What matters is that *any* of them could be raped or killed during their time.

    Except the ones that don't get sent to prisons where they have a real chance of getting raped or killed.

  18. #18

    One important issue is that we have less sympathy for people who have done things to deserve punishment.

    Rape is a terrible act of violence that leaves lasting trauma on its victims. I think of it as one of the most horrific of crimes, similar to torture and second only to murder in its severity.

    It is a natural part of human nature to expect and hope that bad things will happen to people who commit terrible crimes. For an extreme example of this, imagine an advertising campaign featuring a man in a house of worship, his head bent in prayer. "Would you shoot this man in the head?" Most sane people would say no, of course not. Then a second photo of the same man, and this time you can see his face. It is Osama bin Laden (or Hitler, etc.) "How about now?" Well, uh, yeah, now I would shoot him, because now I have some more context to make my decision.

    The U.S. Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, and failing to prevent prison rape is clearly cruel and unusual. So it is our legal, and moral, obligation as a decent society to prevent sexual assaults. But that doesn't mean it will ever be a sympathetic cause.

  19. #19

    @Thinking,

    First off, not everyone in prison is guilty at all, much less of violent or horrible crime.

    More importantly, though, we as a society DO need to make this a sympathetic cause, and we do need to stand up for the rights of all our people, even those who are justly incarcerated. Saying, "we can't feel any pity for bad people" is the hallmark of a cruel and uncivilized society.

  20. #20

    Be careful. Laws written sometimes expose issues you don't want to confront because the results run afoul of other PC issues.

    http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/mdc-guard-accused-of-sex-with-inmate

  21. #21

    Don51,

    What are you trying to show with that link? Consent is impossible when someone has so much power over the other, like in prison. If they were genuinely interested in a relationship, they would need to wait until he was freed and there was no institutional duress in the relationship.

  22. #22

    That equality brings with it consequences, just as sex with an underage male by an adult female was once looked upon as not rape. Equal access to power means equal treatment of the act.

  23. #23

    Don51, why is that a problem?

  24. #24

    Could you tell us what the people in the posters were arrested for? That would be helpful in answering the questions. Or is the intent to guilt us into not thinking about things?

  25. #25

    JackBenny, is there anything in the world that would justify rape?

  26. #26

    When the state deprives a man of his liberty and keeps him in captivity is it not responsible for his welfare?

  27. #27

    It seems to me that there is an obvious and straightforward solution to this problem: design prisons more intelligently. Give each prisoner an individual cell, and don't force a prisoner to congregate with the rest of the prisoners if he doesn't want to. Never leaving your cell would kind of suck, but it sure beats getting raped.

    Yes, it's probably more expensive to build a prison with individual cells, but I'd say the benefit of avoiding rape far outweighs whatever the additional cost is.

    This of course would not prevent prison *staff* from raping prisoners, but I have to imagine that the majority of rapes occur at the hands of other prisoners.

    So why don't we design prisons this way?

  28. #28

    One of the(many)things that drives me nuts about tv shows is that oftentimes when the detectives are leaning on a witness they imply they'll be sent somewhere they're likely to be gang raped if they don't talk. Sometimes they flat out offer to facillitate it. Watch almost any episode of Law and Order where they mention Rikers island and you'll see what I mean.
    The mentality that says prisoners should have no expectation of rights or basic safety has got change and it could start with Hollywood but probably won't.

  29. #29

    I can think of a few crimes where I wouldn't care if the perp was raped. For example, I wouldn't care if a rapist was raped. Does that qualify as "anything in the world"?

  30. #30

    JackBenny...I hate to be hopelessly cliche, but "Two wrongs don't make a right."

    And, there's that whole 8th amendment thing too...

  31. #31

    It is a stain on our country that rape in jail is tolerated, joked about by officials and continues without public outrage.
    If another nation sentenced convicts to rape, we would do what we could to stop it. When it happens here, we turn away.
    I believe in law and order. Rape in prison is a violation of both.

  32. #32

    I hate to be hopelessly cliche(d), but "it's good to have the death penalty applied to murderers." And who cares what happens to rapists? Oh, right. The morally superior. How nice for you.

  33. #33

    JackBenny,

    Have you ever heard of the Innocence Project?

    Does it bother you that we're the last developed nation to still have the death penalty? Or the fact that despite our eagerness to punish people, our crime rates are so much higher than Europe's?

    And it's not being "morally superior" to care about what happens to rapists (or indeed any human being, locked up or otherwise)...it's just being a decent, conscientious person who believes in justice and the rule of law.

  34. #34

    Guy raped. In prison. So yes. Har-dee f'n ha ha ha. So yeah he's humiliated. Dehumanized. And powerless. Power-f'n less.

    So what do people do who feel powerless? Do they accept their powerlessness, or do they attempt to show how powerful they are by making someone else feel less than human?

    I really don't know, as I am too busy laughing at the endless hilarity of man-on-man rape.We should make it a law that people have to laugh at prison rape. Because it is like when some dork gets hit with a football in the jimmies but like 1000 times funnier. I mean the guy doesn't want it, but he gets it anyway! Ha ha ha. I wish we had video cameras in prison cells to catch all the hot action! And it's funny too.

  35. #35

    You know what's "morally superior"? Being in a rush to believe that I'm talking about innocent rapists...and yes, our nation's prisons are full of those, right? That's who this kind of a waste of an ad campaign is really for. People like LeftSidePositive. But, as I said at the beginning, it certainly matters what the people are guilty of before I'll worry about them getting raped in prison. "Guilty," get it?

  36. #36

    JackBenny, I think I made it clear that it is unacceptable for anyone, guilty or not, to be raped.

  37. #37

    "Approximately 95% of all youth reporting staff sexual misconduct said they had been victimized by female facility staff (table 11). "

    The word "reported" kind of makes the results suspicious. Are these reports "confirmed?"

    Oe of the comments (#28) was somewhat ironic: "The mentality that says prisoners should have no expectation of rights or basic safety..." How do you suppose someone becomes a prisoner? Could they have "the mentality that their fellow citizens have no expectation of rights or basic safety..?"

  38. #38

    Some facts - you see, I'm Intersexed. Like Transsexuals, we get special treatment in jails. Sometimes very special. Even in Australia, which has far less of a problem than the USA.

    From the blog of New York Law School Professor Arthur S. Leonard
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    " According to Judge Richman’s opinion, Giraldo self-identifies as a "male-to-female transgender person." When she was taken into custody at North Kern State Prison, she was evaluated for placement for the duration of her sentence. She was classified as a Level III inmate with 36 points, which gave her a "primary placement recommendation" to be placed at California Medical Facility or California Men’s Colony, institutions with experience in handling transsexual inmates, where they "are relatively safer... than at other state prisons." Despite this recommendation, she was sent to Folsom and put into general male population.

    "Within a week of her assignment to FSP, an inmate employed as a lieutenant’s clerk requested that plaintiff be assigned as his cellmate," wrote Richman," which request was granted. Beginning almost immediately, and lasting through late January, the cellmate ‘sexually harassed, assaulted, raped and threatened’ plaintiff on a daily basis." Then this first cellmate introduced plaintiff to "his friend, another inmate, who in late January requested that plaintiff be transferred to his cell, which request was also granted." Just weeks later, this second inmate "began raping and beating her, again daily." Although Giraldo reported this abuse to prison officials and begged to be transferred to a different cell, her requests were ignored for several weeks.

    Finally, after suffering a rape and attack with a box-cutter by her cellmate on March 12, 2006, she was moved to "segregated housing." This was just days after she had told a correctional counselor about the abuse to which she was being subjected, and pleaded to be moved to a different cell, pointing out that her original classification meant she was not supposed to have been assigned to Folsom. The counselor’s reaction was to tell her to be "tough and strong," and the counselor discouraged her from taking any further action, returning her to the cell. Just two days before the final incident, she had also spoken with a medical employee, who noted the conversation in her file but took no steps to report the matter to authorities, because "I don’t want to get him into trouble."

    Giraldo was moved to a unit for psychologically troubled inmates, but lived in constant fear that she might be sent back to general population and placed with another abusive cellmate. She was released on parole after filing her lawsuit, shortly before the trial of her claims was to take place.

    The state argued that there was no general duty under tort law for prison officials to protect inmates from attacks by other inmates.
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    Inquiry into a death, Coroner J Abernethy, Wednesday 21 July 1999. Ref: W308 201/99 JI-D1. )Australia)

    December 1997. After an appearance in a Local Court, bail was refused and Ms M. was remanded in custody. Late on 22 December she was transported to a remand and reception centre where that night and into the morning of December 23 she underwent induction assessment. She was identified as transgender by the welfare officer and it was determined she should go into a “protection” wing. Having spent December 24 in court Ms M. spent December 25 and 26 in “strict protection”. During this time she was brutally raped at least twice during daylight hours. The attacks were so vicious that two other prisoners took the unusual step of reporting the incidents and giving sworn evidence. On December 27 Ms M. was found dead in her cell hanging by a shoelace."

    She didn't even get to trial.
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    In the USA, SIXTY EIGHT PERCENT of Transsexual and Intersexed women get raped in prison. Some are biologically female in almost all respects - certainly genitally - but get put in the general population of males anyway.

    For those that do not, they get put in solitary. Maximum security. No books, no writing materials, no cards, no windows. Let out once every 3 days to shower. Sometimes for many months - that's even before they get to trial. Permanent changes to the brain from this treatment are visible on MRI scans after just a week. It's been ruled "cruel and unusual" to keep axe murderers and serial killers under these conditions for more than a few weeks. But TS and IS people routinely undergo it for months - even if they're found not guilty at trial. Years if they are.

  39. #39

    "You’d have to be an idiot to think that guys who get raped in prison are as eager to report it as young boys are to report the fact (if true) that they have had sex with females on the corrections staff."

    The boys did not have sex with female staff. They were raped by female staff. That said, statistically speaking boys are far less likely to report being raped by females than they are being raped by males due to the stigmas attached to female-on-male sexual violence. Boys who report by raped by women face mockery and accusations of homosexuality if they say they did not like or their rapes get treated as rites of passage. It is unlikely that boys assaulted by other boys or by male staff would fail to report it en masse while freely reporting sexual violence at the hands of female staff. It is also unlikely that girls would en masse fail to report sexual assault committed by male staff, but would report sexual assault committed by other girls. If that did occur, there must be a reason for it, and if it did occur that would render the study itself unreliable, meaning one could not claim "all inmates have an increased potential for victimization simply because they are incarcerated" because there would be no basis for the claim.

    "So why don’t we design prisons this way?"

    Cost. It costs more to create single cells than it does to house two people to a cell. It costs more to have guards walk by the cells every 15 minutes than it does for a handful of guards to monitor a hundred inmates. It also reduces the number of people who can be placed in a given prison. This would be less of an issue if fewer non-violent offenders were incarcerated. A large portion of the people in prison or jail are not violent. The long sentences are purely political. The same is true with some violent offenders. Their sentences are political posturing. If we reduced the number of people we placed in prisons, we could reduce the risk of inmate-on-inmate violence. Reforming the staff is another issue because that kind of abuse is bound to happen when a person has unlimited control over another person.

    "The word 'reported' kind of makes the results suspicious. Are these reports 'confirmed?'"

    The vast majority of statistics on sexual violence are based on victims stating they were assaulted to the researchers. The researchers typically do not do background checks to confirm, for example, whether the 1 in 4 women who stated they were raped while in college were actually raped. It is not feasible to do nor is it necessarily possible if the assault took place some time ago. Of course, it is always possible that some of those who report abuse fabricated it, but in terms of numbers like these it is not very plausible that this occurred. It is also not very likely that male perpetrated violence was deliberately under-reported.

  40. #40

    "Of course, it is always possible that some of those who report abuse fabricated it, but in terms of numbers like these it is not very plausible that this occurred."

    Give me a break. How does an incarcerated juvenile define "abuse"? How does he/she define "rape"? These are kids who have committed crimes. Fabricating is likely their primary social skill and means of justifying/denying whatever they have done that landed them in detention. If given the opportunity to do so, claiming to have been abused or raped by the staff guarding, caring for, and treating them is an obvious way to redirect attention from their own misdeeds.

    Btw, my answers to the silly ad's questions?
    Yes, if I could.
    Yes, if I could.
    No, it's up to him.
    No, it's up to him.
    No, of course not.
    No, of course not.

  41. #41

    I came across this article on twitter and I flagged it to read later because I was alarmed by the statistics. I think this article is very thought provoking. I have known people who have gone through the juvenile system and, inevitably, noone comes out the same. Its a very sad state of affairs but, as is stated, who really wants to invest the money in these criminals. The pictures make the article, very clever.

  42. #42

    Prisoners have rights and deserve to be treated fairly and humanely, just like everyone else. Many of them are not truly bad people (and some of them are), just people that have happened to have made a mistake in their life.

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    I would help them all if i could, unless the person bieng raped in jail was convicted of raping another human bieng. If that was the case i would leave them with the devils they entertain. I understand that 1-8 abused become abusers. so what about the other abusers who were not abused? I prayed to God to forgive the betrayer from raping me when i was 21 and drunk and trusting people I thought were my friends. I prayered for the man Who raped me to be saved and forgiven unless he commit a crime against God too severe to forgive, blasephemy of the holy spirit. I dont even know what that crime really is. But jesus suffered with many thorns pressing into his head, I been forgiven my sins, but you see i bumped into topher at a bar in portsmouth nh years later and he just taunted me for what he did to me and how he got away with it. I forced myself to walk away my desire was to kill him, but i love god too much to obey my evil desire to make him pay, but if God put him in jail convicted of rape, he probly will get caught one day, who am I to say he shouldn't be raped if he is in jail, he deserves worse than that, If i saw him bieng raped i wouldn't stop it. but the thing is nobody deserves to be raped, and if you see someone bieng victemized you aren't gonna see them as the abuser, you will want to help them, cause rape is worse than death, death is passing away from this sinful world into peace and rest. Rape takes years to overcome and stop bieng hurt by it, only thing a rapist doesnt know is he is really doing it to God when he does it to a victem. So i know my desire would be to have the rapist pay, but you can't help but walk away from wrath and do the right thing even if it isn't what you want, because that could be your friend, brother sister mother, child, and it could be you, maybe if i saw the man who tried to possess me, yeah raped me but i own me topher you bastard you don't own me, you lucky i got god. who you gonna turn to when the demons haunt you? if I saved you from bieng raped would it touch your heart enough to not rape again? i wish i put you in jail you son of a bitch you son of the devil, I saw the evil in your eyes in banannas, I don't go to bars anymore, and i got a man who protects me, i saved your life and you don't know it, and years later i see your eyes so full of lust and evil and power hungry, you have no self control you will be in jail one day, i once met a man who begged for all i know ogf you and told me he wouldn't tell me what he had planned, that you would never do that to anyone again, I resisted the devil and didn't tell him your name and i broke up with him, I saved your life you son of a bitch and you are still out there raping, i no longer am haunted by the demons, god has set me free, will you be set free or are you going to a jail with walls of fire and bars of lightning? Will you turn yourself in and admit your shame and will you go to God and be saved. Before i die i will be free of the rage you left me with, the wrath is not what i claim, will you confess or be a slave to the desires that keep you enslaved? remember the man i wrote letters to before the year your shame touched me? i told him you raped me, remember the chinese friend of yours he got me home i lived very close to the hospital, if it werent for your friends i wouldnt have kgot to the hospital and got a rape kit and told all you did from the rape that men suffer to the way women do, topher, christopher, God is watching you, your time is limitted. will you be friend once more to my LORD, OR WILL YOU STAY A JUDAS? I WILL NEVER SEE YOU AGAIN, i never go to brookline, i stay out of york, your friends that slept drunk while you covered my mouth so i couldnt scream, they have always known, will you repent or will you go to jail and die there?

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