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	<title>Comments on: Steep Price: Gay Sex Club Closes After Fatal Injury</title>
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		<title>By: Sex Club Death&#8217;s 911 Caller: &#8220;They Didn’t Want to Call the Police&#8221; - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-23623</link>
		<dc:creator>Sex Club Death&#8217;s 911 Caller: &#8220;They Didn’t Want to Call the Police&#8221; - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been over a month since a man died inside an underground sex club at 1618 14th Street NW. The club, operated by David J. Butler and the D.C. Wrestling Club, had been [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been over a month since a man died inside an underground sex club at 1618 14th Street NW. The club, operated by David J. Butler and the D.C. Wrestling Club, had been [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Exactly Happens At A &#8220;Wrestling Club&#8221;? - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Exactly Happens At A &#8220;Wrestling Club&#8221;? - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] event that provided mattresses, glory holes, and snacks for a $14 “donation.” On Oct. 4, a reveler at one of those parties died after apparently falling down a set of stairs. The accident prompted the city to temporarily shut [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] event that provided mattresses, glory holes, and snacks for a $14 “donation.” On Oct. 4, a reveler at one of those parties died after apparently falling down a set of stairs. The accident prompted the city to temporarily shut [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Attendee, glad to NOT BE anylonger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attendee, glad to NOT BE anylonger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s just get one thing clear about attendees at &quot;The Men&#039;s Parties&quot;; nearly every gay that I&#039;ve ever talked to at &quot;legitimate&quot; venues such as &quot;Omega&quot;, &quot;Appex&quot;, &quot;JR&#039;s&quot; and other such &quot;social clubs&quot; have ALL FREQUENTED or ATTENDED either &quot;The Men&#039;s Parties&quot;, &quot;Crew Club&quot; or in its day &quot;Follies&quot;.  

These places exist, and will continue to exist; closing one will only create another.  Remember, the Men&#039;s Parties themselves began as a priate party which revolved from one private home to another each week, and thus could not be regulated by DC business regulations.  Sex-party circuits exist now, and with the closure of the Men&#039;s Parties, will no doubt increase -- perhaps in your own condo building, or at your neighbor&#039;s townhouse. JUST THINK OF IT -- RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT ALL HOURS.

Closing &quot;The Men&#039;s Parties&quot; is a good thing don&#039;t get me wrong -- I&#039;m glad it&#039;s gone.  Going there for &quot;hook-ups&quot; was, and is an addiction for many.  Unfortunately I bet the DC and Park Police will now see an increase in those frequenting outside venues for their annonymous sexual encounters.  AND an arrest for such activity on your record will affect your job, your prospects for landing a new job, and maybe your ability to keep custody of your kids (if you&#039;re going through a divorce).
 
THERE IS HELP!!!  Attend an SCA meeting; you&#039;ll be surprised how soon you don&#039;t miss venues like &quot;The Men&#039;s Parties&quot; or &quot;Crew Club&quot;. . . AND oh by the way, try going home with someone rather than going to an annonymous setting.  It&#039;s &quot;old-school&quot; I know, but guess what it&#039;s really quite nice waking up next to someone in the morning and getting to know him over a cup of coffee and scrambled eggs rather than having to &quot;wash-up&quot; your blackened feet after a &quot;sticky&quot; night at the former &quot;Men&#039;s Parties&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's just get one thing clear about attendees at "The Men's Parties"; nearly every gay that I've ever talked to at "legitimate" venues such as "Omega", "Appex", "JR's" and other such "social clubs" have ALL FREQUENTED or ATTENDED either "The Men's Parties", "Crew Club" or in its day "Follies".  </p>
<p>These places exist, and will continue to exist; closing one will only create another.  Remember, the Men's Parties themselves began as a priate party which revolved from one private home to another each week, and thus could not be regulated by DC business regulations.  Sex-party circuits exist now, and with the closure of the Men's Parties, will no doubt increase -- perhaps in your own condo building, or at your neighbor's townhouse. JUST THINK OF IT -- RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT ALL HOURS.</p>
<p>Closing "The Men's Parties" is a good thing don't get me wrong -- I'm glad it's gone.  Going there for "hook-ups" was, and is an addiction for many.  Unfortunately I bet the DC and Park Police will now see an increase in those frequenting outside venues for their annonymous sexual encounters.  AND an arrest for such activity on your record will affect your job, your prospects for landing a new job, and maybe your ability to keep custody of your kids (if you're going through a divorce).</p>
<p>THERE IS HELP!!!  Attend an SCA meeting; you'll be surprised how soon you don't miss venues like "The Men's Parties" or "Crew Club". . . AND oh by the way, try going home with someone rather than going to an annonymous setting.  It's "old-school" I know, but guess what it's really quite nice waking up next to someone in the morning and getting to know him over a cup of coffee and scrambled eggs rather than having to "wash-up" your blackened feet after a "sticky" night at the former "Men's Parties".</p>
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		<title>By: District Gets Restraining Order Against &#8220;Men&#8217;s Parties&#8221; Sex Club - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>District Gets Restraining Order Against &#8220;Men&#8217;s Parties&#8221; Sex Club - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Columbia secured a temporary restraining order against &#8220;Men&#8217;s Parties,&#8221; the underground sex club operating out of 1618 14th Street NW. The District filed suit against the owner of the property [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Columbia secured a temporary restraining order against &#8220;Men&#8217;s Parties,&#8221; the underground sex club operating out of 1618 14th Street NW. The District filed suit against the owner of the property [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blinches</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blinches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t hate the player. Hate the accident.</description>
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		<title>By: KG</title>
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		<dc:creator>KG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know that it is people from VA because as i walk buy crew club i see people leave and get into their parked cars with VA plates.  that&#039;s what made me make that comment.  granted, i haven&#039;t inventoried everyone that has used crew club, but it was a general idea that i supported with some, granted limited, experience.

those that comment about a legal place have a good argument.  but the argument for this being closed down is a separate one.  this place was shady by all stretches of the imagination.  this places does nothing for the individual or the community.  call me moralizing, i&#039;m fine with that.  i think it&#039;s disrespectful to oneself, and the community.

i still don&#039;t see the argument for why this place should be allowed to operate illegally and unsafely.  someone explain to me why it should?

i mean, can&#039;t people just use manhunt or grindr?  really...it&#039;s not hard (no pun intended)....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know that it is people from VA because as i walk buy crew club i see people leave and get into their parked cars with VA plates.  that's what made me make that comment.  granted, i haven't inventoried everyone that has used crew club, but it was a general idea that i supported with some, granted limited, experience.</p>
<p>those that comment about a legal place have a good argument.  but the argument for this being closed down is a separate one.  this place was shady by all stretches of the imagination.  this places does nothing for the individual or the community.  call me moralizing, i'm fine with that.  i think it's disrespectful to oneself, and the community.</p>
<p>i still don't see the argument for why this place should be allowed to operate illegally and unsafely.  someone explain to me why it should?</p>
<p>i mean, can't people just use manhunt or grindr?  really...it's not hard (no pun intended)....</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was there that night. this article pisses me off. it&#039;s so judgemental. who is she writing too. that guy, rest  his soul, they needed to fix those stairs. i want to write a contration. i need to write an contration. because i was there. the condoms on the floor is a good thing. let&#039;s see her bedroom. let&#039;s see her tampons on the floor. i mean, come on. she didn&#039;t say anything about the dead guy. didn&#039;t mention his name. i swear, sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was there that night. this article pisses me off. it's so judgemental. who is she writing too. that guy, rest  his soul, they needed to fix those stairs. i want to write a contration. i need to write an contration. because i was there. the condoms on the floor is a good thing. let's see her bedroom. let's see her tampons on the floor. i mean, come on. she didn't say anything about the dead guy. didn't mention his name. i swear, sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: D.C. Police Describe &#8220;Men&#8217;s Parties&#8221; Location: Used Condoms, Glory Holes, and a Crucifix - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.C. Police Describe &#8220;Men&#8217;s Parties&#8221; Location: Used Condoms, Glory Holes, and a Crucifix - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a glimpse into the club&#8217;s secretive activities, as well as additional information concerning the fatal accident that occurred inside the club on the morning of October [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a glimpse into the club&#8217;s secretive activities, as well as additional information concerning the fatal accident that occurred inside the club on the morning of October [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let common sense prevail. Men are going to have anonymous sex with each other. I agree with the posts that argue for a safe, legitimate, legal place to do so. Maybe it would be better for such places to operate during certain hours, like 10 am to 9 or 10 pm. It seems that a lot of the bad behavior comes from people entering in an altered state. The 47 year old that died last week was apparently drunk. Sex clubs should exercise the right not to allow intoxicated patrons to enter. I think post #7 has the right idea. Without a legitimate place to go, men will find parking garages, alleys, etc. to engage in sex. A place with limited hours may not eliminate all such behavior, but I think it would do  a lot to minimize it. I also believe the high incidence of HIV in DC has more to do with how men in this city view themselves as gay. Many men still want to ignore the fact they are and end up disliking themselves, engaging in risky behavior, and generally lacking in self esteem and confidence. Places where men have sex with men do not have to be the sleaze holes exemplified by 1618A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let common sense prevail. Men are going to have anonymous sex with each other. I agree with the posts that argue for a safe, legitimate, legal place to do so. Maybe it would be better for such places to operate during certain hours, like 10 am to 9 or 10 pm. It seems that a lot of the bad behavior comes from people entering in an altered state. The 47 year old that died last week was apparently drunk. Sex clubs should exercise the right not to allow intoxicated patrons to enter. I think post #7 has the right idea. Without a legitimate place to go, men will find parking garages, alleys, etc. to engage in sex. A place with limited hours may not eliminate all such behavior, but I think it would do  a lot to minimize it. I also believe the high incidence of HIV in DC has more to do with how men in this city view themselves as gay. Many men still want to ignore the fact they are and end up disliking themselves, engaging in risky behavior, and generally lacking in self esteem and confidence. Places where men have sex with men do not have to be the sleaze holes exemplified by 1618A.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Mangus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Mangus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading some of these comments I have to say something. First Bob Siegel, NEVER gave back to the GLTB Community, not one dime! He made money and money from you guys, but that was about it, I know this for a fact! He is so dishonest that he lied on his business license application back when he tried to move to NE and was shut down by the city for it! I remember him cry about poor me and the poor gay men I can&#039;t exploite just to hold out for more cash. He got more than a generous price for his properties. So don&#039;t paint him as a saint. David Butler and Stephan Jaffe I sure did nothing for us either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading some of these comments I have to say something. First Bob Siegel, NEVER gave back to the GLTB Community, not one dime! He made money and money from you guys, but that was about it, I know this for a fact! He is so dishonest that he lied on his business license application back when he tried to move to NE and was shut down by the city for it! I remember him cry about poor me and the poor gay men I can't exploite just to hold out for more cash. He got more than a generous price for his properties. So don't paint him as a saint. David Butler and Stephan Jaffe I sure did nothing for us either.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well considering The District government sized by eminent domain the Area on SE O w/the Follies, DC Club and other places that were much safer and well maintained and even though they are legally obligated to help the businesses relocate if they seek assistance, whuch THEY DID, but DC HASN&#039;T of course places like this are going to pop open.

http://www.back2stonewall.com/?p=10098</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well considering The District government sized by eminent domain the Area on SE O w/the Follies, DC Club and other places that were much safer and well maintained and even though they are legally obligated to help the businesses relocate if they seek assistance, whuch THEY DID, but DC HASN'T of course places like this are going to pop open.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.back2stonewall.com/?p=10098" rel="nofollow">http://www.back2stonewall.com/?p=10098</a></p>
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		<title>By: DOSSIER: Who Made $600k From Maine&#39;s Bigots? &#8230; Harvey Milk Day Adds To &#39;Hysteria&#39;? / Queerty</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOSSIER: Who Made $600k From Maine&#39;s Bigots? &#8230; Harvey Milk Day Adds To &#39;Hysteria&#39;? / Queerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8226; The Washington D.C. sex club where a man died has opted to close its doors. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &bull; The Washington D.C. sex club where a man died has opted to close its doors. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: UncleErnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>UncleErnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This tragedy would not have happened if the city would allow legitimate bath houses to operate.  There is nothing wrong or dirty about men meeting in a club to have sex anonymously with other consenting adults.  Most bath houses in other cities are kept very clean, and also provide condoms and information on safer sex practices.  I agree that this place was a disaster waiting to happen, but allowing licensed sex establishments to operate openly would be a step forward in preventing similar incidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This tragedy would not have happened if the city would allow legitimate bath houses to operate.  There is nothing wrong or dirty about men meeting in a club to have sex anonymously with other consenting adults.  Most bath houses in other cities are kept very clean, and also provide condoms and information on safer sex practices.  I agree that this place was a disaster waiting to happen, but allowing licensed sex establishments to operate openly would be a step forward in preventing similar incidents.</p>
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		<title>By: Right On</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I hope it makes to print. And right on Rick Mangus and Cash Dollars -- you speak the truth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I hope it makes to print. And right on Rick Mangus and Cash Dollars -- you speak the truth!</p>
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		<title>By: Cash Dollars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cash Dollars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Steve: No, I don&#039;t go there, I don&#039;t want to die drowning in a puddle of santorum. Call me old fashioned but I don&#039;t like squalid for sex, may have something to do with healthy self esteem. I know that most of the clientele are imports because having lived in the neighborhood for 20 years I have observed that it is not a Logan Circle or really urban type going in and out. This is the desperado crowd.

To Rick Mangu: Right on about the Blade. Same reason they have buried the Jim Graham graft and corruption story, etc. City Paper has been excellent on this while The Blade has treated it as a non-event. I had some hope for the new regime at The Blade but their idea of honoring 40 years of Balde is apparently to go backwards. The editor lives in Baltimore for crying out loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Steve: No, I don't go there, I don't want to die drowning in a puddle of santorum. Call me old fashioned but I don't like squalid for sex, may have something to do with healthy self esteem. I know that most of the clientele are imports because having lived in the neighborhood for 20 years I have observed that it is not a Logan Circle or really urban type going in and out. This is the desperado crowd.</p>
<p>To Rick Mangu: Right on about the Blade. Same reason they have buried the Jim Graham graft and corruption story, etc. City Paper has been excellent on this while The Blade has treated it as a non-event. I had some hope for the new regime at The Blade but their idea of honoring 40 years of Balde is apparently to go backwards. The editor lives in Baltimore for crying out loud.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Mangus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Mangus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I would like to say something to WILLIG that dumb ass from Europe, you came here for a reaason to our country so go back to that xena phobe continent you come from, we sure in the hell will not miss you.

I am a gay man who has lived in DC for the past fifteen years, our so called gay paper (The Blade) if you noticed buried this story on page 39. Could it be because this unsafe and illegal sleaze hole bought a half page ad every week? With the highest rate of HIV in the US it time we as a community to be more responsible.
And a few words to KODIAK, read the book &#039;And The Band Played On&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I would like to say something to WILLIG that dumb ass from Europe, you came here for a reaason to our country so go back to that xena phobe continent you come from, we sure in the hell will not miss you.</p>
<p>I am a gay man who has lived in DC for the past fifteen years, our so called gay paper (The Blade) if you noticed buried this story on page 39. Could it be because this unsafe and illegal sleaze hole bought a half page ad every week? With the highest rate of HIV in the US it time we as a community to be more responsible.<br />
And a few words to KODIAK, read the book 'And The Band Played On'.</p>
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		<title>By: kodiak</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-19036</link>
		<dc:creator>kodiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bring back bath houses!!!!  enough!!!  closing them down has done little to combat aids, or other stds.  at least bath houses had places to wash up-sex clubs are less hygenic overall, and, while there is nothing disgraceful about that, we should have a choice.  i was at steamworks in chicago, what a beautiful place, great staff, well maintained, best clientele ever.  here in ny, i don&#039;t go.  tales of rude staff,poor facilities, and expensive, plus guiliani fear based sex codes.  c&#039;mon people, let&#039;s talk about sex!!  yeah, you are gonna run into bare backers, turn away and get your rubbers on, if that&#039;s your thing.  stop moralizing and get over your negative sex self!  nothing wrong with sex, just what you bring to it!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bring back bath houses!!!!  enough!!!  closing them down has done little to combat aids, or other stds.  at least bath houses had places to wash up-sex clubs are less hygenic overall, and, while there is nothing disgraceful about that, we should have a choice.  i was at steamworks in chicago, what a beautiful place, great staff, well maintained, best clientele ever.  here in ny, i don't go.  tales of rude staff,poor facilities, and expensive, plus guiliani fear based sex codes.  c'mon people, let's talk about sex!!  yeah, you are gonna run into bare backers, turn away and get your rubbers on, if that's your thing.  stop moralizing and get over your negative sex self!  nothing wrong with sex, just what you bring to it!!!</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KG,

You say, &quot;I often see VA plates on the cars that people get into and out of…&quot;

How do you know that the cars at this establishment are from VA, unless you are a patron as well?

Question goes to you, too, Cash Dollars - how do you know the customers of this establishment are from the burbs?  Do you go there, and check out their license plates like KG?  Probably......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KG,</p>
<p>You say, "I often see VA plates on the cars that people get into and out of…"</p>
<p>How do you know that the cars at this establishment are from VA, unless you are a patron as well?</p>
<p>Question goes to you, too, Cash Dollars - how do you know the customers of this establishment are from the burbs?  Do you go there, and check out their license plates like KG?  Probably......</p>
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		<title>By: Death at a Sex Club &#171; The NLGJA Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-19034</link>
		<dc:creator>Death at a Sex Club &#171; The NLGJA Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The bulk of the reporting has been done by Amanda Hess at the Washington City Paper. Hess has filed at least four stories on the alternative weekly&#8217;s Sexist blog about the death on Oct. 4.  She&#8217;s covered a neighborhood commission meeting, reported on the police report, and tried to track down the owner of the building. The man’s injury was sustained during the regular activities of the club, which include nightly gay sex events called “Men’s Parties,” as well as meetings of the “Jack Off Enthusiasts of Washington and Baltimore.” The accident has drawn public scrutiny over the private meetings, as well as a defense: Following the death, the club’s organizer told police that his establishment provides “a safe place for gay men to have consensual sex.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The bulk of the reporting has been done by Amanda Hess at the Washington City Paper. Hess has filed at least four stories on the alternative weekly&#8217;s Sexist blog about the death on Oct. 4.  She&#8217;s covered a neighborhood commission meeting, reported on the police report, and tried to track down the owner of the building. The man’s injury was sustained during the regular activities of the club, which include nightly gay sex events called “Men’s Parties,” as well as meetings of the “Jack Off Enthusiasts of Washington and Baltimore.” The accident has drawn public scrutiny over the private meetings, as well as a defense: Following the death, the club’s organizer told police that his establishment provides “a safe place for gay men to have consensual sex.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SS</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-19030</link>
		<dc:creator>SS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that the commenters are blaming these types of establishments for the high rate of HIV infection in the city when other cities (Philly, NY, Tampa, Chicago) have a greater number of these types of establishments and a lot lower HIV rate than DC has. They are right out in the open in the middle of the &quot;gaybourhood&quot;

Gay guys are going to find a place for anonomous sex.  Would you rather it be inside of a building like this where it is at least discrete or in the alley behind your house at 3:00 in the morning? The city needs to revamp its zoning code to license, tax, and regulate these types of establishments versus pushing this underground into unsafe locations. Maybe the guy who died here would still be alive if the city allowed legitimate bathouses to open?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that the commenters are blaming these types of establishments for the high rate of HIV infection in the city when other cities (Philly, NY, Tampa, Chicago) have a greater number of these types of establishments and a lot lower HIV rate than DC has. They are right out in the open in the middle of the "gaybourhood"</p>
<p>Gay guys are going to find a place for anonomous sex.  Would you rather it be inside of a building like this where it is at least discrete or in the alley behind your house at 3:00 in the morning? The city needs to revamp its zoning code to license, tax, and regulate these types of establishments versus pushing this underground into unsafe locations. Maybe the guy who died here would still be alive if the city allowed legitimate bathouses to open?</p>
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		<title>By: Willig</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-19029</link>
		<dc:creator>Willig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, gay men, having sex!!!  Anonymous sex!!  OMG.  Won&#039;t someone think of the children??!!?!?!

Bunch of puritanical prudes.  People have sex.  So, what is wrong with a place where they can go and have sex?  Just because you wouldn&#039;t go is not enough of a reason to deny others from going.

God, I can&#039;t wait to move back to Europe.  Pathetic country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, gay men, having sex!!!  Anonymous sex!!  OMG.  Won't someone think of the children??!!?!?!</p>
<p>Bunch of puritanical prudes.  People have sex.  So, what is wrong with a place where they can go and have sex?  Just because you wouldn't go is not enough of a reason to deny others from going.</p>
<p>God, I can't wait to move back to Europe.  Pathetic country.</p>
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		<title>By: Rats</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-19028</link>
		<dc:creator>Rats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn, Peter Rosenstein was planning a Clark Ray fundraiser there next month!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn, Peter Rosenstein was planning a Clark Ray fundraiser there next month!</p>
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		<title>By: KG</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-19027</link>
		<dc:creator>KG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for reporting on this.  Good to see some real information.  Besides from the fact that this just allows more people to be in the closet and continue secrecy (see the movie outrage), it&#039;s is deplorable to support unprotected sex in a city with a high rate of HIV infection.  Good riddens!  As a gay neighbor, I&#039;m happy to see this place closed down.  As long as the gay community can only be themselves in private, we will never achieve equality...

I totally agree with cash dollars too.  The worst is that it probably is the &quot;burbs folks&quot; that come in to the city.  I often see VA plates on the cars that people get into and out of...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reporting on this.  Good to see some real information.  Besides from the fact that this just allows more people to be in the closet and continue secrecy (see the movie outrage), it's is deplorable to support unprotected sex in a city with a high rate of HIV infection.  Good riddens!  As a gay neighbor, I'm happy to see this place closed down.  As long as the gay community can only be themselves in private, we will never achieve equality...</p>
<p>I totally agree with cash dollars too.  The worst is that it probably is the "burbs folks" that come in to the city.  I often see VA plates on the cars that people get into and out of...</p>
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		<title>By: Cash Dollars</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-19020</link>
		<dc:creator>Cash Dollars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The business license of Crew Club should be revoked.The city has turned a knowing blind eye to these joints for years. Men&#039;s Party and its sister ship, Crew Club, should be thoroughly &quot;scrubbed&quot;. Both represent huge amounts of cash transactions that I&#039;ll bet don&#039;t pass muster as to taxes, etc. 

Crew Club operates unders a MOU with the Logan Circle neighborhood that it has flagrantly violated for years. 
I recommend that the Logan Circle ANC demand a full &quot;accounting&quot; of Crew Club and in the meantime the business license should be at least suspended. I for one am tired of closet cases from the &#039;burbs using my neighborhood as a toilet, gay or not.

The &quot;safe sex&quot; gambit is a sham as well. That is the ruse Crew Club used to get opened - that and a careful manipulation of gay political sensibilities spearheaded by $teve Michael$. Jim &quot;Taxi Cash&quot; Graham was all over that as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The business license of Crew Club should be revoked.The city has turned a knowing blind eye to these joints for years. Men's Party and its sister ship, Crew Club, should be thoroughly "scrubbed". Both represent huge amounts of cash transactions that I'll bet don't pass muster as to taxes, etc. </p>
<p>Crew Club operates unders a MOU with the Logan Circle neighborhood that it has flagrantly violated for years.<br />
I recommend that the Logan Circle ANC demand a full "accounting" of Crew Club and in the meantime the business license should be at least suspended. I for one am tired of closet cases from the 'burbs using my neighborhood as a toilet, gay or not.</p>
<p>The "safe sex" gambit is a sham as well. That is the ruse Crew Club used to get opened - that and a careful manipulation of gay political sensibilities spearheaded by $teve Michael$. Jim "Taxi Cash" Graham was all over that as well.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Club 2120 reopened just a couple of weeks ago, does it have the same amenities as before minus the porn for sale?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Club 2120 reopened just a couple of weeks ago, does it have the same amenities as before minus the porn for sale?</p>
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		<title>By: C</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-19011</link>
		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess that the definition of &quot;safe&quot; they are using is that patrons won&#039;t be robbed or stabbed like if they were trolling for outdoor sex.  And people with enough self respect for themselves to insist on safe sex are unlikely to be found in this type of establishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess that the definition of "safe" they are using is that patrons won't be robbed or stabbed like if they were trolling for outdoor sex.  And people with enough self respect for themselves to insist on safe sex are unlikely to be found in this type of establishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Has &#8220;Men&#8217;s Parties&#8221; at 14th &#38; Corcoran Closed for Good? &#171; Borderstan</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/10/14/steep-price-gay-sex-club-closes-after-fatal-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-19009</link>
		<dc:creator>Has &#8220;Men&#8217;s Parties&#8221; at 14th &#38; Corcoran Closed for Good? &#171; Borderstan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NW close for good? I dont&#8217; know. Anyone know anything more than what is in this week&#8217;s Sexist column at the Washington City Paper? Amanda Hess, The Sexist, has a long piece, &#8220;Steep Price: Gay Sex Club Closes After Fatal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NW close for good? I dont&#8217; know. Anyone know anything more than what is in this week&#8217;s Sexist column at the Washington City Paper? Amanda Hess, The Sexist, has a long piece, &#8220;Steep Price: Gay Sex Club Closes After Fatal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steep Price: Gay Sex Club Closes After Fatal Injury &#8211; The Sexist &#8211; Washington City Paper &#124; LGBTN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steep Price: Gay Sex Club Closes After Fatal Injury &#8211; The Sexist &#8211; Washington City Paper &#124; LGBTN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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