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		<title>By: The Hypocrisy Trap</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hypocrisy Trap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brüno: Laugh At Homosexuals, Blame It On Homophobes - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brüno: Laugh At Homosexuals, Blame It On Homophobes - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] heartland to wring laughs out of just how much those people fear and hate gay people. But just as the hypocrisy construction allows liberally-minded people to freely ridicule Sarah Palin&#8217;s kids for having sex (because [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AndyShep</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyShep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If abstinence-only education worked, you wouldn’t have pregnancy.&quot;

If comprehensive sex education worked we wouldn&#039;t have pregnancy either.  The evidence supporting comprehensive sex education is thin, that doesn&#039;t mean it should be abandoned, there is marginal evidence it has a positive effect and should be part of the picture.  Regular church attendance is vastly more statistically significant, however, and the value of a strong emphasis on abstinence cannot be discounted.  

Broad blanket statements without a basis in fact have little value.   The debate would be improved substantially if people looked at the issue scientifically, rather than through the lens of their personal biases on both sides of the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"If abstinence-only education worked, you wouldn’t have pregnancy."</p>
<p>If comprehensive sex education worked we wouldn't have pregnancy either.  The evidence supporting comprehensive sex education is thin, that doesn't mean it should be abandoned, there is marginal evidence it has a positive effect and should be part of the picture.  Regular church attendance is vastly more statistically significant, however, and the value of a strong emphasis on abstinence cannot be discounted.  </p>
<p>Broad blanket statements without a basis in fact have little value.   The debate would be improved substantially if people looked at the issue scientifically, rather than through the lens of their personal biases on both sides of the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: L-dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>L-dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting points, but you miss the point of why we laugh at the Bristol Palin situation.  It&#039;s not because she had sex before marriage, it&#039;s because her mother preached &quot;abstinence-only&quot;, and then she showed up pregnant.  If abstinence-only education worked, you wouldn&#039;t have pregnancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting points, but you miss the point of why we laugh at the Bristol Palin situation.  It's not because she had sex before marriage, it's because her mother preached "abstinence-only", and then she showed up pregnant.  If abstinence-only education worked, you wouldn't have pregnancy.</p>
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		<title>By: Shimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!

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		<title>By: Are Political Scandals Only Scandalous When Kinky? - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are Political Scandals Only Scandalous When Kinky? - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this week, I wrote about how razzing politicians for their hypocrisy is often used as a cover for less-valid personal critiques. And so, people who start out [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Letterman Protesters Prefer Leno - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Letterman Protesters Prefer Leno - The Sexist - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] these protesters may need a refresher course on how not to fight hypocrisy with hypocrisy. Also, Leno? Really?    var addthis_pub=&quot;washingtoncitypaper&quot;; var addthis_options=&quot;facebook, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AndyShep</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyShep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear in mind that studies show that comprehensive sex education courses that include birth control might reduce pregnancy rates and do not increase them, while studies also show that regular church attendance without question does reduce pregnancy rates and absolutely without question does not increase them.  One possibly being positive does not mean the other is not.

Religious participation that includes an avocation of abstinence absolutely does reduce rates of pregnancy.  Interesting observations aside, many comments seem uninformed.

I don&#039;t believe that the feminist position stands in opposition to abstinence or religion.  It stands in opposition to a lack of options available to those women who fail to prevent pregnancy using whatever method they were using.

My take is that the abortion issue has destroyed feminism.  Other than abortion there are no more feminist ideals only partisan Democratic ones.  That does not mean that you cannot be a feminist and a Democrat, it means that being a good Democrat should not be all that you are.  Hillary seemed to get the most sexist treatment at Salon.com.  Most of those guilty for that treatment seem to feel that as long as they have the &#039;correct&#039; stance on abortion anything else goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind that studies show that comprehensive sex education courses that include birth control might reduce pregnancy rates and do not increase them, while studies also show that regular church attendance without question does reduce pregnancy rates and absolutely without question does not increase them.  One possibly being positive does not mean the other is not.</p>
<p>Religious participation that includes an avocation of abstinence absolutely does reduce rates of pregnancy.  Interesting observations aside, many comments seem uninformed.</p>
<p>I don't believe that the feminist position stands in opposition to abstinence or religion.  It stands in opposition to a lack of options available to those women who fail to prevent pregnancy using whatever method they were using.</p>
<p>My take is that the abortion issue has destroyed feminism.  Other than abortion there are no more feminist ideals only partisan Democratic ones.  That does not mean that you cannot be a feminist and a Democrat, it means that being a good Democrat should not be all that you are.  Hillary seemed to get the most sexist treatment at Salon.com.  Most of those guilty for that treatment seem to feel that as long as they have the 'correct' stance on abortion anything else goes.</p>
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		<title>By: mdesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude abstinence has very little role in sex education.  Other than a brief glossing over as in &quot;you won&#039;t get any of these if you have no sex.&quot;  I mean her daughter who got knocked up was a promise ring girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude abstinence has very little role in sex education.  Other than a brief glossing over as in "you won't get any of these if you have no sex."  I mean her daughter who got knocked up was a promise ring girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Egallantry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Egallantry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspaper source:  &quot;Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said the governor stands by her 2006 statement, supporting sex education that covers both abstinence and contraception.&quot;
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/06/nation/na-sexed6

Read Dr. Violet Socks aka Reclusive Leftist for more information at http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/06/13/stop-the-lies/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspaper source:  "Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said the governor stands by her 2006 statement, supporting sex education that covers both abstinence and contraception."<br />
<a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/06/nation/na-sexed6" rel="nofollow">http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/06/nation/na-sexed6</a></p>
<p>Read Dr. Violet Socks aka Reclusive Leftist for more information at <a href="http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/06/13/stop-the-lies/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/06/13/stop-the-lies/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trap is you so are so easily misinformed about Governor Palin.  She is a Constitutionalist, which means she governs under the rule of law which is irrevelant to her personal views. As a governor she has ruled in favor of sex education, of contraception, and chose a pro-choice judge (a former board member of Planned Parenthood no less) this year to Alaska&#039;s Supreme Court because she was (shocking!) best qualified.

As a Constitutionalist she does not believe abortion should be illegal; she believes abortion should be legal in the states who choose it (like gay marriage) and the made-up &quot;privacy&quot; idea in Roe vs. Wade was a faulty premise and an excuse for an invasion of the Federal government over the constitutional rights of states and their residents.  

If we REALLY want to get somewhere in this world we need overthrow the organized crime machine on both sides of the aisle which will say ANYTHING to stop women who can rouse the public to disrupt their rackets--albeit it Hillary, Sarah or, bless her, Benezir Bhutto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trap is you so are so easily misinformed about Governor Palin.  She is a Constitutionalist, which means she governs under the rule of law which is irrevelant to her personal views. As a governor she has ruled in favor of sex education, of contraception, and chose a pro-choice judge (a former board member of Planned Parenthood no less) this year to Alaska's Supreme Court because she was (shocking!) best qualified.</p>
<p>As a Constitutionalist she does not believe abortion should be illegal; she believes abortion should be legal in the states who choose it (like gay marriage) and the made-up "privacy" idea in Roe vs. Wade was a faulty premise and an excuse for an invasion of the Federal government over the constitutional rights of states and their residents.  </p>
<p>If we REALLY want to get somewhere in this world we need overthrow the organized crime machine on both sides of the aisle which will say ANYTHING to stop women who can rouse the public to disrupt their rackets--albeit it Hillary, Sarah or, bless her, Benezir Bhutto.</p>
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		<title>By: badger</title>
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		<dc:creator>badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is I am roflmao at your article on Palin. So her daughter got pregnant who cares except you on the left. Maybe your mad she did not get an abortion. At least she fessed up to her mistake and is raising her son minus taxpaying dollars. Thank goodness at least her parents make enough money so she doesn&#039;t have to collect welfare and foodstamps medicaid oh didn&#039;t all those people vote for O. Sorry still laughing at the lefts hypocrisy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is I am roflmao at your article on Palin. So her daughter got pregnant who cares except you on the left. Maybe your mad she did not get an abortion. At least she fessed up to her mistake and is raising her son minus taxpaying dollars. Thank goodness at least her parents make enough money so she doesn't have to collect welfare and foodstamps medicaid oh didn't all those people vote for O. Sorry still laughing at the lefts hypocrisy</p>
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		<title>By: AndyShep</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyShep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is nice to see someone intelligent enough to see the important subtext.

Despite the stereotype of her stupidity, Palin is smarter than many people understand.  She was able to make an impression on people who do not support sexual jokes about children. Most importantly, Christians who do not hate gays or support torture. She provided liberals in the media an opportunity to look very bad by how they reacted to the story, and many of them did.

Between Hillary and Palin the Women&#039;s movement has taken a hit.  NOW responded to Letterman late and qualified their support with very dated Limbaugh references.  Palin made NOW seem like NODWO .. The National Organization for Democrat Women Only.

You are not supporting a person in their entirety when you support a person in a specific situation.  Too many women&#039;s groups got bogged down in their efforts to support Palin while still making it clear that she stinks.  The more important thing to do is to support Palin&#039;s opinion of a specific situation.  What you think of her as a whole is not relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is nice to see someone intelligent enough to see the important subtext.</p>
<p>Despite the stereotype of her stupidity, Palin is smarter than many people understand.  She was able to make an impression on people who do not support sexual jokes about children. Most importantly, Christians who do not hate gays or support torture. She provided liberals in the media an opportunity to look very bad by how they reacted to the story, and many of them did.</p>
<p>Between Hillary and Palin the Women's movement has taken a hit.  NOW responded to Letterman late and qualified their support with very dated Limbaugh references.  Palin made NOW seem like NODWO .. The National Organization for Democrat Women Only.</p>
<p>You are not supporting a person in their entirety when you support a person in a specific situation.  Too many women's groups got bogged down in their efforts to support Palin while still making it clear that she stinks.  The more important thing to do is to support Palin's opinion of a specific situation.  What you think of her as a whole is not relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conrad, obviously, Bristol and Levi did not practice abstinence OR safe sex all of the time. And she, like many many many women, accidentally became pregnant. For Bristol and many of those girls, the accidental pregnancy came at a young age---17. Do I disagree with her about abstinence? Of course! But personally, I don&#039;t see what&#039;s &quot;hypocritical&quot; about Bristol lobbying for young people to abstain from sex until they&#039;re ready to deal with it---to me, it sounds like she&#039;s arguing that she&#039;s learned from experience. Likewise, I wouldn&#039;t find it hypocritical of her to become an advocate for comprehensive sex education, even though she didn&#039;t practice safe sex completely as a teen.

Some people do view Bristol Palin as a hypocrite, however, and I think those arguments are valid. But when the jokes turn into this---Bristol Palin knocked up by hockey team! Bristol Palin knocked up by John Edwards! Bristol Palin knocked up by A Rod!---we&#039;re poking fun at more than Bristol&#039;s ability to miraculously become pregnant while advocating abstinence. At some point, we&#039;re also poking fun at her stupidly and irresponsibly fucking anything in sight, and just refreshing the joke by placing a new famous dude in her vagina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conrad, obviously, Bristol and Levi did not practice abstinence OR safe sex all of the time. And she, like many many many women, accidentally became pregnant. For Bristol and many of those girls, the accidental pregnancy came at a young age---17. Do I disagree with her about abstinence? Of course! But personally, I don't see what's "hypocritical" about Bristol lobbying for young people to abstain from sex until they're ready to deal with it---to me, it sounds like she's arguing that she's learned from experience. Likewise, I wouldn't find it hypocritical of her to become an advocate for comprehensive sex education, even though she didn't practice safe sex completely as a teen.</p>
<p>Some people do view Bristol Palin as a hypocrite, however, and I think those arguments are valid. But when the jokes turn into this---Bristol Palin knocked up by hockey team! Bristol Palin knocked up by John Edwards! Bristol Palin knocked up by A Rod!---we're poking fun at more than Bristol's ability to miraculously become pregnant while advocating abstinence. At some point, we're also poking fun at her stupidly and irresponsibly fucking anything in sight, and just refreshing the joke by placing a new famous dude in her vagina.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunner Sykes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunner Sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Palin is not &quot;abstinence only.&quot;  If you had bothered to do any research at all, you would know that.

Please stop lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin is not "abstinence only."  If you had bothered to do any research at all, you would know that.</p>
<p>Please stop lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Levi said on Tyra that they only practiced safe sex &quot;most of the time.&quot;  We don&#039;t need to imagine broken condoms and midnight drives to Rite Aid only to be turned down by a fundamentalist pharmacist to understand how Bristol got pregnant.  

However, Bristol (and Sara) continue to maintain that abstinence only education will somehow reduce teen pregnancies.  Bristol is a spokeswoman for an organization lobbying for this cause.  She made the choice to put her pregnancy, and the choices that led to it, into the public discourse.  When comedians make jokes about Bristol getting knocked up, they&#039;re not solely about her being a &quot;slut&quot;.  I&#039;m sure some morons are chuckling &quot;hur hur that girl used her vagina&quot; but that&#039;s not why I&#039;m laughing.  And I don&#039;t think that the possibility of a joke being misinterpreted or laughed at by morons is enough reason to censor oneself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Levi said on Tyra that they only practiced safe sex "most of the time."  We don't need to imagine broken condoms and midnight drives to Rite Aid only to be turned down by a fundamentalist pharmacist to understand how Bristol got pregnant.  </p>
<p>However, Bristol (and Sara) continue to maintain that abstinence only education will somehow reduce teen pregnancies.  Bristol is a spokeswoman for an organization lobbying for this cause.  She made the choice to put her pregnancy, and the choices that led to it, into the public discourse.  When comedians make jokes about Bristol getting knocked up, they're not solely about her being a "slut".  I'm sure some morons are chuckling "hur hur that girl used her vagina" but that's not why I'm laughing.  And I don't think that the possibility of a joke being misinterpreted or laughed at by morons is enough reason to censor oneself.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lv Part of the problem with arguing against a particular joke is that we don&#039;t have too much of a public narrative going about sexist jokes in general. So, if we hear a joke about a celebrity having sex with an underage daughter of a politician, some of us will react to it and say, hey, that&#039;s not funny, and furthermore, making light of stuff like that can further gender stereotypes that excuse rape, etc. etc.

At the same time, however, we don&#039;t always have the tools at hand to explain WHY this is inappropriate, or what remedy we seek after a joke like this is told. So we turn to identifying marks about the joke---who told it? who was it told about?---to explain why we don&#039;t like it.

I fell into this very trap last night while watching an episode of Arrested Development. Tobias showed a business card identifying himself as a duo analyst / therapist, or as he called it, an &quot;analrapist.&quot; I thought this joke was hilarious. The episode then proceeded to include several more jokes about rape, which I found less funny---but mostly, I&#039;m pretty sure, because I had just written a post that day arguing against excusing the Letterman joke.

It took me a while to figure out why I thought those jokes were funny---they weren&#039;t about an actual people, and in particular, an actual minor. They didn&#039;t make a rape victim the butt of the joke. But really, if I&#039;m being honest with myself, I have to admit that I also just find Arrested Development&#039;s form of humor funnier than Letterman&#039;s.

Do I find those jokes funnier because they&#039;re less offensive? Or do I find them less offensive because they&#039;re funnier? Do conservatives find Letterman&#039;s joke offensive only because it&#039;s about Sarah Palin? Do liberals only find it funny because it&#039;s about Sarah Palin?

As the long lists of past inappropriate Palin jokes that have emerged since the Letterman incident prove, a larger discussion is necessary here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lv Part of the problem with arguing against a particular joke is that we don't have too much of a public narrative going about sexist jokes in general. So, if we hear a joke about a celebrity having sex with an underage daughter of a politician, some of us will react to it and say, hey, that's not funny, and furthermore, making light of stuff like that can further gender stereotypes that excuse rape, etc. etc.</p>
<p>At the same time, however, we don't always have the tools at hand to explain WHY this is inappropriate, or what remedy we seek after a joke like this is told. So we turn to identifying marks about the joke---who told it? who was it told about?---to explain why we don't like it.</p>
<p>I fell into this very trap last night while watching an episode of Arrested Development. Tobias showed a business card identifying himself as a duo analyst / therapist, or as he called it, an "analrapist." I thought this joke was hilarious. The episode then proceeded to include several more jokes about rape, which I found less funny---but mostly, I'm pretty sure, because I had just written a post that day arguing against excusing the Letterman joke.</p>
<p>It took me a while to figure out why I thought those jokes were funny---they weren't about an actual people, and in particular, an actual minor. They didn't make a rape victim the butt of the joke. But really, if I'm being honest with myself, I have to admit that I also just find Arrested Development's form of humor funnier than Letterman's.</p>
<p>Do I find those jokes funnier because they're less offensive? Or do I find them less offensive because they're funnier? Do conservatives find Letterman's joke offensive only because it's about Sarah Palin? Do liberals only find it funny because it's about Sarah Palin?</p>
<p>As the long lists of past inappropriate Palin jokes that have emerged since the Letterman incident prove, a larger discussion is necessary here.</p>
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		<title>By: Hill Rat</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear The Sexist,

I sit here in awe of your latest column.  Even though I couldn&#039;t see the videos (YouTube is blocked here at work) your writing and thesis were so clear and concise that it didn&#039;t matter.

What I appreciate the most was your willingness to re-examine your own attitudes and actions and hold yourself to a higher standard.  You don&#039;t use others hypocrisy to excuse your own and you showed a rare intellectual honesty and empathy when you outlined the myriad reasons that Bristol Palin may have had for not using birth control 100% of the time.  

Bravo!

Sincerely,

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear The Sexist,</p>
<p>I sit here in awe of your latest column.  Even though I couldn't see the videos (YouTube is blocked here at work) your writing and thesis were so clear and concise that it didn't matter.</p>
<p>What I appreciate the most was your willingness to re-examine your own attitudes and actions and hold yourself to a higher standard.  You don't use others hypocrisy to excuse your own and you showed a rare intellectual honesty and empathy when you outlined the myriad reasons that Bristol Palin may have had for not using birth control 100% of the time.  </p>
<p>Bravo!</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>By: lv</title>
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		<dc:creator>lv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok i get this, i think my grandma warned me of this sort of hatin on at some point. 
related to simple point making on this issue--what was up with kathleen parker&#039;s column in the sunday wp? she starts out railing on letterman for going after kids, and then wanders over to conservative women. why not pick one? if you&#039;re out to defend conservative women against mysogynist smearing, do that. don&#039;t hide behind protecting kids. likewise, she woulda had a strong article about how effed up it is to insinuate violence against kids if she&#039;d drawn connections between letterman&#039;s poor taste and those dbag krxq radio hosts promoting beatdowns for trans kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok i get this, i think my grandma warned me of this sort of hatin on at some point.<br />
related to simple point making on this issue--what was up with kathleen parker's column in the sunday wp? she starts out railing on letterman for going after kids, and then wanders over to conservative women. why not pick one? if you're out to defend conservative women against mysogynist smearing, do that. don't hide behind protecting kids. likewise, she woulda had a strong article about how effed up it is to insinuate violence against kids if she'd drawn connections between letterman's poor taste and those dbag krxq radio hosts promoting beatdowns for trans kids.</p>
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