Rape Blogger Looking For Love in D.C.
Meet Aaron P. Taylor. He recently moved to Washington, D.C., and he totally understands what you’re going through—particularly if you are a rapist! (Ladies, he’s single).
Last week, after returning from a disappointing dancing session in da club, where Taylor learned some harsh lessons about love, loss, and getting totally shut down by a hot girl, Taylor had a lot to think about. So he sat down at his computer and carefully compiled his thoughts in an entry on his blog, “UnCommoN SENSE with Aaron P. Taylor.” The entry, “Advice 4 Women: How to NOT Get a ‘Deserved Raping,’” was a quick primer on how girls might avoid doing things that would lead them to be responsible for their own rapes (the riddle of undeserved rapes yet to be deciphered by Aaron P. Taylor).
Women who do not want to get raped should never “dance with a guy over and over again,” nor grind “her ass on [Aaron P. Taylor's] penis not once, twice, or three times, but several, SEVERAL times.” Nor should she, hypothetically, “go on a date wearing a top that shows just about everything but her nipples, then have a 30-minute conversation with a guy about how voluptuous and sensitive her breasts are, then spend half the night stroking her hand against the outer-lining of said breasts.” Believe Aaron P. Taylor: Women do this all the time.
Now, Aaron P. Taylor did not rape the woman who ground her ass on his penis on that fateful night. Still, he is haunted by the possibility of what might have happened had he been the type of guy who would have raped her:
had I been a less-than-understanding guy (i.e., a forceful-type of guy who always “gets what he wants by any means necessary”), I could have just as easily forced a kiss on her, or worse– -waited until after the club let out to follow her to her car, then followed her to her house. And, when she got out her car, I could have been right there ready to pounce on her, saying: “I think you owe me something, lady!!
If you are that type of guy, hey, Aaron P. Taylor understands. And if you’re a woman, Aaron P. Taylor understands you, too. Which is why when his initial post drew a barrage of negative comments from the ladies, Aaron P. Taylor was moved to write a second post explaining his position.
Calm down, ladies. Aaron P. Taylor doesn’t just think that “teasing” women bring on their own rapes; he also believes that cancer victims are asking for it and that poor people should expect to be murdered.
“Now, in the same way that not every girl who teases guys for fun is going to get raped, not every person who smokes is going to catch lung cancer,” writes Taylor. “However, there ARE smokers who catch lung cancer, just like there are women who get raped after purposefully teasing guys over and over, and eventually teasing the WRONG guy.”
Aaron P. Taylor continues with a cautionary tale about choosing the right part of Washington, D.C. to settle down in. “had I moved into [a bad] area and got robbed or killed 5 days later . . . [my friends and family] would not have been surprised. Why? Because they would have already known that something like that could happen to me in that part of town. I would have been tempting fate by deciding to live there, and–while not everyone who lives in that part of town gets killed there—the fact that there was a high risk for it would have made living there a stupid decision on my part.”
Taylor goes on to write that women who get raped are, themselves, “stupid,” and that he is looking for a smart woman (wink) who is less likely to get repeatedly ravaged by strange men. He caps the blog post with a smiley-face emoticon.
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12:56 pm
Aaron P Taylor must be happy to betting this kind of publicity. Aaron P Taylor should become a household name for parents trying to teach their daughters about men not to date. Instead of saying “honey, avoid men that are just in it for sex” they can say “Honey, avoid guys like aaron P. Taylor.” After enough of this, Mr. Taylor will have resort to “teasing” in the hopes that anyone will still speak with him.
2:37 pm
Oh. my. gah. It is crap like this that really makes me lose all hope for the human race.
3:00 pm
I think one commenter on his blog actually respectfully request that he exit the human race.
7:46 pm
Being able to emotionally detach one’s self from an issue and look at it analytically is such a wonderful ability. Unfortunately, it also seems to be one that the majority of commentators here do not possess, or at least are unwilling to utilize.
If I wish my home not to be violated by intruders, I would do well to fastly secure all points of entrance into my home. If I do not do so, and my home is violated and my property stolen, I do not bear responsibility to the acts of trespass and theft in themselves – those actions are solely due to the choices of the thief or thieves. Given, however, that I’d rather not be burglarized at all than be burglarized and later worry about where the blame lies, I take whatever preventative measures I deem fit and reasonable to prevent such occurance in the first place.
Now, I know I’ve already ruffled some female feathers by using an analogy which compares bodily integrity with the integrity of property, and for that I do apologize. The intent is not to insult, but rather to illustrate a logical relationship: this article is not about the assignment of blame, but merely an advisement regarding a method of securing your premises – that is to say, your bodies.
Saying that Aaron here advocates for, apologizes for, enables, excuses, condones, or blames the victim for rape is *logically* no different than saying a locksmith giving free advice on the best type of locks is an advocate, apologist, enabler, etc. of burglary. The only difference between the two is *emotional* and hence irrelevant.
8:48 pm
Hey Rational Reader, good job rationally posting this under a pseudonym in order to avoid never getting laid again.
10:37 pm
Wow,Rational Reader, that is pretty offensive. I hope people stay away from you. Rapists make a decision to rape, rape victims do not choose rape. I can’t even believe i have to explain that.
10:15 am
Wow! This is just unbelievable.
6:33 pm
Erin C, if you had even an iota of ability to comprehend what I’d written, you’d see that I never suggested otherwise.
By your reasoning, giving someone advice on how to avoid *any* misfortune is equivalent to believing that someone who does not follow said advice chooses to suffer said misfortune.
Of course, it might help if you read the referrenced article in its entirety, rather than the slanted analysis contained here – but I doubt it would. Not in your case.
10:49 pm
Looks like Rational Reader is taking a page out of the Book of Aaron P. Taylor.
When Taylor offers his expert advice to women on how not to get raped, he violates them in a different way: By taking the condescending position that women don’t know how to act properly, and that they need a man to tell them what to do. In Aaron P. Taylor’s world, women who don’t follow that advice don’t deserve to be raped. But men who decline to rape them are showing restraint. Either way—in a rape, or in Taylor’s school-of-don’t-get-raped—the power is transferred back to the man, either physically or mentally.
So when Rational Reader tells Erin C that she could not possibly comprehend his soaring, three-paragraph blog comment—or the original blog post Aaron P. Taylor wrote on the subject—RR tries to establish an intellectual power over her. He signals his condescension early on with his very subtle name—and then hides behind its anonymity. Then, he asserts that anyone who sees the matter differently than he does is an idiot. Aaron P. Taylor does RR one better by extending that condescension to any female who acts in a way he just doesn’t like.
It might help to put Taylor’s post into perspective and remember just how many women (and to a lesser extent, men) are raped and sexually assaulted in their lifetime. The numbers are staggering. A woman can be raped at any time, for any reason—or no reason at all. They’re raped by men they’ve known for years and strangers they’ve never spoken to. They’re raped by men they’ve denied sex or dates to, and men with whom they’ve had sex many times before. The idea that these rapes stem from the woman acting “slutty” is condescending, offensive, and, yep, irrational.
12:37 am
Amanda, firstly I’d like to point out that as far as I can see, you’re the first person to use the word slutty. Possibly Aaron used it in one of his two posts, but you can plainly see that I did not – and if ignoring the quotes around the word “deserved” in Aaron’s original post as well as the explanation for why the word was quoted, as was done in this article, is fair game, then it’s safe to say that you’re the only one earnestly characterising anyone as a slut – especially considering that you offer no explanation for the quotes whatsoever.
I never absolutely claimed that Erin couldn’t comprehend what I had written, rather I indirectly stated that her response simply gave no evidence to the contrary. In this instance, I shall be more explicit: your reply shows no evidence that you understand the above, though this should not be taken to absolutely deny the possibility that you do understand it yet offer no evidence of such understaning.
It seems to me (again, I’m making an attempt to avoid categorical statements) that the only condescension Aaron is guilty of is that which anyone who offers unsolicited advice is just as guilty of. The vitriol being directed at him seems to me to be out of proportion to the infraction he committed, although I grant that it is entirely possible that the various respondents would respond in the same manner to someone warning them that their shoelace was untied. However, it seems much more likely that the level of unfriendliness directed Aaron’s way is due not to the form of his arguemnts but to their topic, their intended audience, and the presentor. This last is the most obvious instance of irrationality – the person presenting an argument has no bearing on the logical validity of said argument. To assert otherwise is what is called an ad hominem argument, and it is an example of a fallascious argument. This means that the fact that Aaron is a man has no logical bearing on the argument itself (though I do not deny it may have an emotional bearing, I don’t hold emotions to be relevant to life outside the personal sphere).
However, it is not only the ad hominem arguments that render your reply irrational. Indeed, any logician would tell you that it is the form, not the content, of an argument which must be responded to in order to make a counter-argument valid. (Even in those instances where you are denying the original argument’s premises, you do so only to demonstrate that the argument’s form then does not hold up.) Thus, merely by responding with such greater force to advice on how to avoid rape then you would to advice on how to avoid tripping over your shoelace, you belie the logical nature of your arguments.
The fact that Aaron’s advice would not prevent every rape does not make the underlying reasoning invalid, as you assert, Amanda. If said advice could theoretically (as you are claiming irrationality and not impracticality, it isn’t necessary to show an actual instance, merely to demonstrate that such an instance could possibly occur) prevent even a single rape, then the argument contained in your last paragraph is defeated. In point of fact, Aaron did provide such a theoretical prevention in his original posting.
Furthermore, in your last sentence, you are (and I am speaking categorically for the eight non-parenthetical words following the closing parenthesis) committing a strawman fallacy by misrepresenting my (and likely Aaron’s) argument – though I do not claim that you do so intentionally. To state that rape stems from acting slutty is logically analogous to stating that burglary stems from missing locks. This was never my contention (I felt I was rather explicit in that regard) and I do not see any evidence to suggest that it was Aaron’s either. I wouldn’t state that either statement is irrational per se, but certainly offensive and condescending. Again, however, it was never a statement made, either explicitly or implicitly, by Aaron or by myself.
You do seem to take issue with my anonymity, given that you’ve brought it up twice. Do you take issue with the anonymity of those who agree with you? You never seem to indicate so. I conclude that your problem with my anonymity is that you wish some misfortune to befall me in real life. I’m aware that this isn’t necessarily the case, and I truly hope it isn’t – for your sake, not mine. I’m perfectly capable of taking care of myself, but for someone to be carrying around that degree of ill will which you seem to demonstrate here cannot be healthy. I emplore you and those who agree with your positions to please learn to argue dispassionately, or at least to tone down your intensity. To reach the point where you would wish ill upon another is a very sad state indeed.
12:56 pm
I’m also pretty sure I understand the logistics of rape, having had first-hand experience. Also, you’re right, I don’t understand how you can rationalize rape victims somehow being responsible for the act forced upon them.
2:23 pm
Erin C, please allow me to take a different approach. Rather than asserting that I am doing no such thing and demonstrating same, as you clearly do not possess either the desire or ability to recognize that, would you be so kind as to point out specifically how I have “rationalize[d] rape victims being somehow responsible for the act forced upon them,” or contradicted the statement “Rapists make a decision to rape, rape victims do not choose rape.”
I’m not just being obtuse. Part of honest argument is knowing when the opposition has won – and if the positions you’ve accused me of having do, in fact, follow logically from what I’ve already stated, then I’d have to say that you won – those aren’t my positions, and so I’d have to jettison any other positions from which they are invariably derived.
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12:07 pm
IF WOMEN WANT TO RISE the behavior that Aaron describes needs to stop. THE BEHAVIOR OF THE WOMAN DESCRIBED BY AARON P. TAYLOR is WRONG and the fricken sl*t of a girl knew it. NO ONE can convince me that she did NOT! AND IT NEEDS TO STOP! SHE SHOULD NOT GET ANY SYMPATHY FOR THE REACTIONS IN HER LIFE OR FOR HER BODY that SHE IS CREATING BY ACTING THIS WAY. SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING AND DID IT ANYWAY!
Being female, I have watched more times than I can count, women do this grind and wind on guys and LOVE the responses they got from it. FURTHER, I have seen many fricken women act as the TEASE knowingly, loving every minute of the attention and desire they stir up in the guy only to walk away as if they had the right. THIS MAKES ME SICK. IT IS disgusting to watch a female act the vixen one minute and feign innocence the next. AND I KNOW EVERYONE HAS SEEN THIS HAPPEN MORE THAN THEY CARE TO ADMIT!
ANYONE DENYING that women act this way as a part of the process of self discovery is downright out of their minds.
WHEN I FLUCKING STICK MY HAND IN FIRE I KNOW IT WILL GET BURNED! WHEN the WOMAN ACTED LIKE SHE DID SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING and I THINK SHE DESERVES to be disbarred from the human race. SHE IS THE TYPE OF WOMAN THAT DISGUSTS ME!
AND I DO NOT GIVE A DANG FLYING FLUFF OF FLUCK what any of you say or think about me. TRUTH MEANS SOMETHING TO ME and so does CHARACTER AND RESPONSIBILITY! THIS Woman needs to be held responsible for her actions, point, blank, period… but RAPE is not the answer. Everyone can decide for themselves what the answer is because I think this woman should be shunned completely and thrown into a pig pen as the pig she is.
12:21 pm
AND OH YEAH… THANK YOU AARON for bringing attention to this topic… DISCUSSION is sorely needed. You put it out there raw and real… I appreciate your honesty and I totally think YOU ROCK for your “cease and desist” with this sl*t and not playing any further into her game.
AARON, I can see how RAPE becomes a viable remedy in the minds of men for what took place with this woman and I submit that the reason you did NOT RAPE this woman is because YOU ARE NOT a RAPIST. Rape is not about sex, lust, desire, but about CONTROL AND POWER. YOU DEAR AARON SHOWED MORE ADMIRABLE CONTROL BY DESISTING AND CEASING TO PLAY. I applaud you!
GENDER IS NOT THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE NOT OWNING WHAT THEY DO. The problem is people not taking responsibility for what they do. THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE REACTIONS IN LIFE THAT THEY THEMSELVES CREATE NOT only in this instance of AARON P. TAYLOR’s sex games,,, but in every aspect of their lives. THAT IS THE PROBLEM!
12:24 pm
What in the hell did the woman in this case think was going to happen when she acted the sl*t? A chicken was going to lay an egg in Denmark? BE FOR FRICKEN REAL!
12:32 pm
AND WAS THE BEHAVIOR OF THE WOMAN AARON DESCRIBES NOT SEXIST? SHE USED HER FEMALE PARTS AGAINST A MAN! AND THAT IS NOT SEXIST?
SHE IS THE SEXIST NOT AARON! AND ANY WOMAN FAILING OR REFUSING TO SEE THAT HER BEHAVIOR IS WRONG AND SEXIST ARE LOST CAUSES!
SEXISM GOES BOTH WAYS LADIES OR SL*TS… AND MOST OF THE COMMENTATORS HEREIN ARE SEXISTS!
3:33 pm
Gal, I think you need to take a chill pill and learn to accept female sexuality. Women have every right to display it; and this does not make it okay for men to take what they want from them.
Women who get raped are in no way responsible for the actions of the rapist; the rapist is. No person can be held accountable for the actions of another person.
The real issue, as has been said before, is power. The power over female sexuality. Men like Aaron (and probably rational reader) cannot handle women being in control of their own sexuality, and the fact that this gives them some iota of control. When a woman has something that a man wants and has control over whether or not to give it to him, these men get angry. They seem to think that they have a right to everything they want, even if that “thing” is actually another person.
You cannot blame a woman for making you want her. That’s what men in the Middle East do. The women there cover their bodies and even faces so that men won’t want them, because blame is placed on the woman, and they still get raped.
Rape is never the victim’s fault O+
4:33 pm
SHALA SAID:
“Gal, I think you need to take a chill pill and learn to accept female sexuality. Women have every right to display it; and this does not make it okay for men to take what they want from them.”
I SAY:
First of all Shala, you assume too much and state presumed FACTS as evidence where there is NONE. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT I NEED OR NOT, not even based on my previous posts. HOWEVER, I agree women have every right to have sexuality BUT just as are men held to
the standard of BEING RESPONSIBLE for it SO ARE WOMEN! Your POST is explicit in promoting a DOUBLE STANDARD one for MEN and ONE for women… I am sorry SHALA but that is sexist and NOT acceptable in my way of thinking.
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SHALA SAID:
“Women who get raped are in no way responsible for the actions of the rapist; the rapist is. No person can be held accountable for the actions of another person.”
I SAY:
huh? what is this banter?
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SHALA SAID:
The real issue, as has been said before, is power. The power over female sexuality. Men like Aaron (and probably rational reader) cannot handle women being in control of their own sexuality, and the fact that this gives them some iota of control. When a woman has something that a man wants and has control over whether or not to give it to him, these men get angry. They seem to think that they have a right to everything they want, even if that “thing” is actually another person.
I SAY:
TEASING IS POWER? HOW is that POWER when the final contention becomes a battle of POWER of a womans body over a mans STRENGTH? OMG SOMETHING A MAN WANTS AND CONTROL? MEN HAVE A RIGHT TO GET ANGRY when a woman TRIES TO USE HER BODY AS A WEAPON FOR POWER OVER A MAN! AND VICE VERSA!
HOW does it go:::? “HE who fights by the sword dies by the sword…?” He/she who fights by the body DIES by the body! YOU will NOT win that game play SHALA! AND YOUR CHOICE OF WEAPONS is despicable, sickening and PROVES my point to the nth degree.
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SHALA SAID:
You cannot blame a woman for making you want her. That’s what men in the Middle East do. The women there cover their bodies and even faces so that men won’t want them, because blame is placed on the woman, and they still get raped.
Rape is never the victim’s fault O+
I SAY:
I do not want a woman Shala. AND nothing you or anyone does can make me. Maybe the fact that I am female myself has something to do with it. BUT I LOVE that YOU MADE this point… because you see SHALA, you do not make a man want you any more or any less by using YOUR FEMININITY, sexual organs, acts and ploys, BECAUSE A HETEROSEXUAL MAN will want women just because they are female… IT IS CALLED NATURE AND HORMONES…
INSTEAD SHALA, all you are are doing by “working it” is advertising you are game… AND YOU are GAME when you act like that… AND I ADMIRE MEN WHO DO WALK AWAY FROM WOMEN LIKE YOU without exacting the prize you flaunt without so much as a word toward YOUR offensive and vile behavior. JUST LIKE AARON did.
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The old school of thought is that MEN make the MONEY and USE the MONEY as a tool against women while WOMEN have the “physical goods” and women USE those goods as a tool against men.
Whenever this act is acted out in any scenario, you have all the ingredients for the making of ANGRY PEOPLE!
When AARON mentioned the word RAPE, qualified the word rape by further commentary, and then put it out there for the whole of us to see and read…, he opened up a very sorely needed topic which can lead to healing for everyone.
If anyone wants to deny that a woman using her body as a tool to make A MAN WANT her can make a man angry enough to think of RAPE when she drops him without fulfillment of the promise, then be my guest. BUT that does not change the fact that it does and has for a very long time now. THE SAME BEING true for how angry a woman feels when a man uses money to get what he wants can make a woman angry enough to think of ways to get even and then act on them which has also been happening for years and years now.
THE END OF THIS BATTLE has to start SOMEWHERE! I say that the way to end it is for everyone MAN and WOMAN alike to take RESPONSIBILITY for their actions CAUSING REACTIONS.
AND AGAIN, I SAY THAT AARON did NOT RAPE anyone and I doubt he ever has. WHY? BECAUSE AARON is angry at the game play and the unfairness of the rules involved BUT HE IS NOT A RAPIST because RAPE is NOT about sex, love, or lust ~~~ RAPE IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL.
hummm now… POWER AND CONTROL? ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU SAID IS OKAY FOR A WOMAN TO DO SHALA?
point made…
4:36 pm
WHY DIDN’T MY RESPONSE TO SHALA SHOW UP?
6:07 pm
First of all SHALA, it is ignorant of you to even presume to comment on my needs or my base/scope of knowledge and/or acceptance(s).
Secondly Shala, if a woman has the right to display (?) (what in the word does this mean anyway?) sexuality SO DO MEN have the same right. YET if a man even so much as shows his butt crack he gets taken into custody for indecent exposure YET women show their cracks all the time and it is accepted. SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE. DOUBLE STANDARD PERHAPS?
YOU SAID: “Women who get raped are in no way responsible for the actions of the rapist; the rapist is. No person can be held accountable for the actions of another person.”
I say: (HUH?) What in the word are you talking about here?
IF it were as simple as having something a man wants and a woman not giving it to him ~end of story~ then there is not a problem at all… NATURE HAS INSURED US THAT HETEROSEXUAL MEN WILL WANT WOMEN so there is no point here for you to make other than the SCREAMING of WOMEN OBVIOUSLY (by your point) DO NOT WANT MEN!
IT becomes a problem when WOMEN use their bodies as weapons against men to GAIN POWER AND CONTROL which are the same elements involved IN RAPE and it becomes a problem when MEN use brute force to take it from them which is RAPE. Under these circumstances IT IS ABUSE on both sides no matter what. What is the saying? “Those that live by the sword die by the sword?” Those who live by the body, die by the body? IF a woman uses her body as a WEAPON against a man, the odds are she will pay for it as she chose her body as the weapon.
As you state SHALA that WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE A MAN WANT THEM, as if it is not alright to FOR A MAN TO MAKE A WOMAN WANT HIM! WHEN a man works to make a woman WANT HIM our society calls it RAPE! TYVM!
There are so many problems with this THINKING OF YOURS SHALA and I can only think you are an angry feminist sexist. NOT ME!
When you say “YOU CANNOT BLAME A WOMAN FOR MAKING YOU WANT HER” I hope you do not mean me. I do not want a woman, and nothing you can do will make me want a woman. MAYBE that is BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN. The rest of your closing stmt is not worth commenting ON!
POWER AND CONTROL you say Shala? What is it exactly you are doing when YOU use YOUR body against a man? What are you expecting to get with that action? POWER AND CONTROL? MAKING HIM WANT YOU? THEN WHAT SHALA? YOU WALK AWAY WITHOUT A THOUGHT to what YOU JUST DID TO A MAN? FULL OF POWER AND CONTROL and a sated EGO?
Yeah ahuh! I got ya SHALA! TYVM Shala YOU made my point… the POWER AND CONTROL you speak of are the very same ELEMENTS that give RAPE ITS VERY DEFINITION…
12:08 pm
Addressing your statements in order:
Lol on the butt crack thing, but I don’t think that has much to do with sexuality… unless the man is gay. Maybe the reason guys get a hard time for showing their crack is because no one finds it appealing, the same reason heavyset women aren’t “allowed” to show any skin? If this is so, then heavyset women are also victim to this double standard. (BTW, for something supposedly so taboo, I see A LOT of male butt cracks)
Now, I’m not sure what you mean when you say women using their bodies as weapons. In Aaron’s original post, he describes a woman dancing (however seductively) with him and then going home for the night. The only thing she could have gained from it was an ego boost. (When a society values women solely according to their sex appeal, many come to value themselves that way also) I’m not sure this qualifies as weapon-use.
There are instances when women use their bodies to get what they want; this may be drinks, money, cars, whatever. However, I think the exchange here is still pretty consensual. In no case is a man forced to act upon the woman’s allure. If he doesn’t want a “gold digger,” maybe he shouldn’t seek a “trophy wife.”
See: http://www.thetalentshow.org/2005/06/17/i-am-not-my-cock/ for a male argument from this perspective.
Again, this is simply a matter of a woman having something that a man wants, and her having the right to decide whether or not to share it with him.
Next, you say that “WHEN a man works to make a woman WANT HIM our society calls it RAPE!”
Well… not exactly. When a man works to make a woman want him, its called seduction (and its great). When a man forces a woman to have sex with him against her will, that’s rape. I’m not sure how you f**ked up the definition so badly.
LOL on me being the “angry feminist;” I’M NOT THE ONE WHO WRITES IN ALL CAPITALS!!!!! haha
When I say “You cannot blame a woman if you want her” I was using the impersonal “you”. And no, a person can’t blame someone else for their own desires.
Really, now, you have to stop comparing dancing to rape. At any point while a woman is “teasing” a man, he still has the power to walk away. She is not taking that, or anything else, from him.
Having said that, I want you to know that I also have little respect for “c*ck teases.” Such actions are selfish and manipulative. However, you cannot compare this to rape because again, if the man doesn’t respect/appreciate that sort of behavior, he always has the power to walk away.
Unlike you, I do not feel these women deserve to get raped. (I also do not feel that men deserve to get teased endlessly). “Live by the sword, die by the sword?” Dying by the sword comes when these women are no longer beautiful, when they have wrinkles, gray hair and cellulite, and realize that their bodies were the only thing they had going for them. Its when they see the shallowness of their relationships, and the value that was missing from their lives. It is not when they get raped.
Peace,
not-so-angry-feminist O+
1:52 pm
I do not even know where to begin with this response of yours Shala. In this response, you twist, you turn and YOU LIE! What can I do with that? Why should I waste my time and my intention on such crap? TO ME THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE and NOT one to be toyed with by a petty, needy female who mixes up emotional acting out using her body, rape and how she feels it is okay to do all things because she is female without consequence.
First of all let me clear up A FEW things…
ONE (1) I DO NOT CONSIDER TYPING IN CAPS AS SHOUTING…I CONSIDER IT A FLAG TO READ THIS TEXT FOR JEST OF MY POINT (emphasis if you will) GROW UP SHALA… THAT RULE WAS MADE BY THE AL GORE INVENTING THE INTERNET GROUP FOR THEIR OWN POWER ISSUES ON THE INTERNET CHAT ROOM SCENARIOS.
Two (2) I NEVER EVER CONDONE ANY WOMAN GETTING RAPED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NOR HAVE I EVEN SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT. STOP LYING!
I really should stop here and not even respond to your rantings and lying. I do not need to defend a lie and the TRUTH needs no defense. But alas, forward I forge.
Three (3) Re-read your Seduction statement and apply the definition provided below to it and AGAIN YOU PROVE MY POINT that women live by a standard that is UNHEALTHY FOR THEM and THAT CAN AND DOES BRING SEVERE CONSEQUENCES in many instances…
SEDUCING.
seducing – 3 dictionary results
/sɪˈdus, -ˈdyus/ Show Spelled [si-doos, -dyoos] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -duced, -duc⋅ing.
1.to lead astray, as from duty, rectitude, or the like; corrupt.
2.to persuade or induce to have sexual intercourse.
3.to lead or draw away, as from principles, faith, or allegiance: He was seduced by the prospect of gain.
4.to win over; attract; entice: a supermarket seducing customers with special sales.
I do not think this topic is limited in scope to just behaviors/interactions between men and women and the topic that AARON STARTED regarding a woman choosing him as her victim and using everything she had to SEDUCE/TEASE him without ever intending to follow through with the promises she was making by using her body. AND THIS IS A POINT YOU cannot deny. YOU CONDONE THIS BEHAVIOR and YOU HAVE ITERATED IT LOUD AND CLEAR.
Shala the point I am trying to make and YOU seem to have a problem with is that ACTIONS BRING REACTIONS. THIS IS A UNIVERSAL LAW. For anyone to feel dis-empowered holds back all of mankind.
It just so happens that the behavior described by Aaron regarding this girl is a perfect example of “actions begetting reactions.” Aaron is merely the correct and proper reaction to this girl and how she acted…no matter what you say or what you try to use to come across as an intelligent upcoming female HER ACTIONS BROUGHT THIS REACTION like it or not…
The rest of your bull is just that BULL and YOU do not make any viable points worth anything. You are acting like a lil girl throwing a temper tantrum wanting her way and I have no more time to give you and your crap.
3:08 pm
You know, gal, I have a difficult time making any sense of the angry rants that are your posts.
4:59 pm
It seems that you start out with some narcissistic, self-righteous statements, leading into name-calling and a confusing sentence about me being the one who confuses emotional acting out and rape.
THEN, you shout ABOUT HOW using ALL CAPITAL LETTERS is not equivalent to SHOUTING, AND dismiss my opinion on THE matter BY saying it WAS MADE up BY SOMEONE… sorry, but that opinion is my own, no one else made it up for me. (BTW hopefully I’ve just displayed how the excessive use of capitalization is distracting as well as aggressive)
Now, if you don’t think that girls like the ones Aaron described deserve to get raped, why are you advocating his article, which includes the term “deserved rape”? His rant about how women like that are just asking for it is an ugly example of victim blaming, and you say that his response was appropriate?
I’m not sure what you were going for on the seduction thing… “to persuade or induce to have sexual intercourse” … this isn’t rape. You said that a man trying to make a woman *want* him nowadays is labeled as rape. I said, no its not… I don’t get how your point is proven by telling me what seduction is. (Induce and persuade imply the other person acted of their own free will)
It seems to me that you have a lot of resentment for women who use their bodies to their advantage. Its okay to be against it, but you have to give some sort of argument as to why, not just blasting on about how its like rape, because its not. (remember what I said about free will?) Maybe you’re jealous of these women, maybe you feel it furthers the objectification of women (which is what I feel), or whatever, but you have to figure out and be able to explain why.
Aaron’s behavior is not appropriate, its a signature of the rape culture we live in. Do some research on “rape culture” and “rape apologist” if you’re really interested in what’s going on here.
At the end of your post, you resort to more name-calling and condescending language, which is entirely unwarranted and only acts to show how angry, resentful and closed-minded you are. I assure you that I am not throwing a tantrum; I am genuinely interested in an intelligent conversation. If my statements are incorrect, you’ll have to try harder to disprove them, because I haven’t been convinced.
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11:36 am
Shala:
As hard as it is for you petty female-body using types to move on… do try.
NOW the rule is YOU can have only ONE last word… the spoiled I AM WOMAN and I CAN DO ANYTHING AND NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR IT attitude is making YOU think you can have TWO (2) last words! I suspect a third is forthcoming.
MOWWWSYYY ON NOW GIRL… MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD.
LOLOLOL
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12:00 pm
Hey, don’t unsubscribe because of me, I’ve just Stumbled Upon here.
LOL on the last word thing… you seem to have a hard time practicing what you preach.
I believe you have me pegged wrong. I’m not one of the “female body-using types” you so abhor. I’m one of those people who is too shy to even dance in public. No short skirts or low-cut dresses for me. No heels either; I’m not going to sacrifice my feet and back for a pair of shoes! I don’t go batting my eyes for a free drink or flirting with my boss to get promoted. Sorry if that makes it harder for you to hate me; just thought you should know these things.
However, I think my description of you if fairly accurate: “you resort to more name-calling and condescending language, which is entirely unwarranted and only acts to show how angry, resentful and closed-minded you are.”
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5:21 pm
meh. he’s also believes breastfeeders should feed their kids in a closet away from public view, women should never disagree with their men in public, and that someone like laura bush would make the perfect wife. i wish his advice was “uncommon,” but it’s a little to close to a stepford wife / fox news perspective for me. so it’s no surprise that blaming women for rapes is cool in his book.