Loose Lips

Vince Gray Doesn’t Remember When He Heard About the Shadow Campaign

Vince Gray is taking his own advice about moving on from the shadow campaign so seriously that he's already forgotten about how he found out about the illicit operation.

In an interview published today with the Washington Post's Mike DeBonis, Gray claims that he can't remember a reported conversation where campaign aide David Dzidzienyo told Gray that he was worried about Gray pal (and now confessed shadow operativeVernon Hawkins.

Also lost in the mayor's mind: whether a January 2012 meeting with shadow campaign worker and Jeff Thompson associate Jeanne Clarke Harris was the first time he learned about the off-the-books efforts.

"I don’t even remember when I heard about it at this stage," Gray tells DeBonis. "That seems immaterial."

Somebody get this guy some ginkgo biloba. Elsewhere in the interview, Gray campaign manager Chuck Thies interjects that Gray's not some all-powerful creature who can know the difference between shadow campaign T-shirts and legitimate campaign T-shirts.

"Do you really think that he has some omnipresent ability, some omniscient ability to know what people are doing when he’s not in the room?" Thies says. "Do you really think he was standing on a loading dock, counting yard signs coming off the back of a truck, or figuring out whether a font on a T-shirt matched another font on a T-shirt? It’s absurd."

Photo by Darrow Montgomery

  • shoolman

    This what frustrate me so much about Mayor Gray and many other politicians - They actually think that people are stupid.

    Four members of his campaign have pled guilty to a felony. All 4 have admitted that they broke finance laws working to get Mayor Gray elected. But Gray would like voters to think that he didn't know. OMG! That's laughable. Voters, use your common sense! Why would these people sacrifice themselves committing a crime for Gray if he (Gray) was unwilling to participate in the crime himself? That's silly. That not how things go in the real world.

    No, if I'm going to commit a crime and you're going to benefit from it, you're damned sure going to help.

  • Any Color but Gray

    Hey @noodlez we are waiting for your ass kissing remarks!

    You would be a better campaign manager than Chuck Thies.

    So long Gray!

  • shoolman

    Would someone please explain this to me "like I'm a 2 year-old":

    Why on earth would 4 well established people risk committing felonies to get Mayor Gray elected if he had promised a reward in return.

  • Ward8

    Mayor Gray's statement is an act of desperation. There is one likely explanation why Gray is making these statements prior to completion of the inquiry. He is not receiving the financial support he needs to take control of the election. Major contributors are probably withholding their contributions because they don't know how the investigation will turn out - if they make large contributions now, they would have wasted their money if he is indicted.

    Last election, at this stage of the campaign, there was a lot more evidence of his campaign (yard signs, campaign workers at Metro stops and street corners, etc.)

  • schoolman

    CORRECTION

    Would someone please explain this to me "like I'm a 2 year-old":

    Why on earth would 4 well established people risk committing felonies to get Mayor Gray elected if he had NOT promised a reward in return.

  • Ward8

    I agree. Noodlez would be a better campaign manager than Chuck Thies.

  • Roscoe’s Wetsuit

    Chuck is a total amateur. I get that Vince isn't in a position to be picky, but he couldn't find anyone semi-competent?

    BTW, anyone check out the guestlist for the "Everyone is Essential" fundraiser?

    - Worst Mayor in City History (Sharon Pratt) - check
    - Convicted Felon/ Disbarred Lawyer (Bruce Bereano) - check
    - Convicted Felon/ Developer (Doug Jemal) - check
    - Dumbest Councilmember (Yvette) - check

    With friends like these, eh Vince?

  • Smh

    LMAO @ Roscoe's Wetsuit

  • eddy

    In reference to Gray's illegal shadow campaign, Chuck Thies asserts that Gray didn't know about it. Referring to Gray, Thies stated, "Do you really think he was standing on a loading dock, counting yard signs coming off the back of a truck.?"

    No Thies, we don't believe he was standing on a loading dock counting signs. We believe that he was sitting in an office counting illegal shadow campaign contributions.

    Thies must have grown up in Utah, or some other state where few Blacks live. He must have got his opinion of Blacks by watching old movies or by reading post civil war novels.

    NO THIES, WE ARE NOT STUPID!

  • eddy

    Sorry, I meant pre-civil war novels.

  • noodlez

    WILLY EARL AND HIS ANTI MAYOR GRAY BAIT COLUMN MASQUERADES AS NOTHING BUT A SLOP TROUGH FOR PINK SQUEALING PIGS TO RUN TO IN THEIR NEON BLUE HEELS.

    I READ THE INTERVIEW AND IF WILLY EARL AND HIS QUEER CREW BOILED IT DOWN SOME BULL SHIT ASS BADGERED ANSWER PULLED OUT BY DEBONE AS A TALKING POINT FOR THIS SORRY PIECE OF LOGAN CIRCLE CONVO THEN YOU CHUMPS ARE TO FAR GONE FOR ANY SENSIBLE DISCUSSION!

    THE ONE CITY RE-UP COMING TO YA APRIL 2014!
    GET ON THE ONE CITY TRAIN OR EVACUATE.

  • drez

    My take is simpler: If gray makes a statement on when he learned of his 2010 election illegalities, he's giving the feds information they will surely use against him. Better to deflect, deny, and delay.
    Oh, yeah, and noodlez would be is an awesome pr person.

  • drez

    Hey, CP- the bold html tags work on your site. Why not the strikeout ones?

  • Eddy

    Noodlez:

    Do you think that Thompson contribute over $750,000.00 to Gray's campaign because he believed he would be a good Mayor? Yea, Right.

    Does Thompson come across as a man who would contribute $750,000.00 because he is so committed to the citizens of this great city! Please, don't make me laugh!

    No, he contributed $750,000.00 because Gray promised him something in return! Is a pig pork!

  • truth hurts

    One city can't remember when or how he learned about the shadow campaign?? Straight up bull shit. That's not something one would forget. Fact is he and Thompson hatched the scheme during their private meeting at Harris's condo, and the money flowed immediately afterwards.

  • Al Edmondson

    @ Hey any color but gray? I think Orange will suit you just fine. Heh guys give him a break, he's an old man, if he doesn't remember, then he ..........is just a lying azzzzz. LOL

  • schoolman

    @ Al Edmondson:

    Gray's singing now. "Swing low sweet chariot, coming forth to carry me ..... " "Lower .... lower .... lower .... keep going lower .... !" "Damn, OK .. go as low as you can go!"

  • eddy

    Schoolman:

    He doesn't remember?!!! Well let's consider this .... he is pretty old. If he took all that dye out of his hair and mustache, he'd look like a snowman. A snowman suffering from Alzheimer's and Dementia. I bet he had to change his diaper when he read that article.

  • REALDC

    Look folks, if the US Atty. got something on Gray and can prove it....THEN CHARGE HIM!!

    If not, all of you "junior Perry Masons" can stfu!!

    Them shadow campaign bamas have been operating for years...look at Fenty in '06 and Williams in '02?? Fenty raised $5 million 2 years before his re-election. Where do you think that money came from?? That is an astronomical amount of money for a DC mayoral election! And he LOST!! All the bamas in the race this year will not raise $5million combined.

    Gray has performed with this cloud over him for 4 years and he has got it done! It is time to charge him or clear him!! The US Atty is holding DC hostage on this issue. 4 years is a very LONG time to have an ongoing investigation into a campaign that lasted 6 months!!

    At this point, its a "cold case" with a dead-end!! But to read and hear rhetoric about Gray's involvement is bull****!!

    I think the US Attys are benefiting from being African-American as well, so they hold "open" an investigation into a African-American mayor and not get questioned about their "intent". Four years is a "long" time for an investigation into campaign violations. If the US Atty were white this investigation would have lasted 6 months or a year, tops. Then he would have either cleared him or said their is not enough evidence to prosecute. Either way, it would have been over. Because the community would not have tolerated this "cloud" and suspicion for 4 years. Nor would AA US Attys. investigate a white mayor for that long. It would not happen!! Maybe, if the US Atty lived in DC, it would be important to him as well!

    Imagine if or when Gray is cleared, he would blow away the field. But as long as they keep the "cloud" over him, then the "hyenas" will always be whispering.

    This is not fair for the citizens of DC whether you support Gray or NOT!!

    CHARGE him or CLEAR him......... DC deserves conclusion!!

    For REAL!

  • schoolman

    RealDC:

    2 QUICK QUESTIONS.

    If the U.S. Attorney does not charge Gray, do you believe that would be sufficient enough to eliminate all the doubts voters have about Gray's trustworthiness and credibility?

    You suggest that Fenty engaged in a shadow campaign. If this is true, does that justify Gray engaging in an illegal shadow campaign?

    I don't agree that Gray would be a shoe in to win this election even if he were not under investigation. Many legitimate concerns regarding Gray's management of the
    city have been overshadowed by the shadow campaign issue.

  • tony

    @REALDC,

    Your point that Fenty's campaign should be subjected to the same level of scrutiny as Gray’s campaign is correct.

  • tony

    @schoolman,

    Clearly, you don't believe that Gray deserves a second term as Mayor. While this opinion vastly differs from tons of people in this city including mines, you are entitled to it.

    It's a well-known rule in politics that if you are in favor of removing someone from office then you must have a “reasonable alternative” as a replacement.

    Majority of the Mayoral contenders are elected officials who have been in office for a long time. They have had an opportunity to share their ideas, proposals and vision for this city in different capacities.

    If you are going to press the argument that Gray should be voted out, who would you offer as a “reasonable alternative” to Gray?

  • REALDC

    @schoolman- 1. Yes, it would help but probably will not eliminate all. If, he was CLEARED, then that would be better but again, it will not eliminate all. Folks will believe what they want to believe regardless of evidence that is contra. What has Gray done not to be trusted or not to have credibility?

    2. I did not suggest Fenty engaged in a shadow campaign but the Fenty campaign benefited from a shadow campaign and the Williams campaign too. Of course, if true about Fenty does NOT give the green light to engage in a shadow campaign. My point is that this shadow campaign mob have been operating like this for a long time and have thrown cash at other candidates in other elections but we will never know unless an investigation is done. But think about it, raising $5million for a re-election campaign in a DC mayoral race is unheard of, never before or even now. And when Fenty raised that money he did not even have an opponent. If I am not mistaken, he raised that money 2 years out?? Are you not the least bit suspicious? DC is small and the campaign donor list is even smaller. The same "players" that donated to Fenty flocked to Gray when they realized Fenty was in TROUBLE. All 11 candidates this year will not raise $5 million! This is Jeanne Harris' second time getting "popped" for being the"money bag lady"....I'm not Ellery Queen but it tells me these "monkey shenanigans" have been going on for a long time and the candidates ARE clueless on what goes on on there campaigns. Should Gray have known? Yes. If he didn't then that does not make him a criminal!! Should Fenty have known? Yes. Should Williams have known? Yes. None are criminals but "mobs" can operate without folks knowing and some of our friends are in "mobs"! We can't control all activities of our "friends" nor be responsible when they screw up.

    Gray would not be a shoe-in but it would give him a boost in this pool of candidates.

    Has Gray been a "great" Mayor? NO. Has he been a "bad" Mayor? NO!

    Gray is the tallest political midget in this circle of political midgets. He has the temperament, experience, intelligence and fairness to run this city. Can any of the other candidates say that?

    Evans? Wells? Bowser? Orange? Catania? Who in that group deserves to be promoted? Your same questions can be asked of them and they would fall way short....political midgets.

    BTW- All of the above got "shadow campaign mob" money except for Wells-the pious progressive...

    For REAL!

  • Schoolman

    RealDC:

    You asked, "What has Gray done not to be trusted or not to have credibility?

    On January 12, 2014 at 7:30 p.m. commentator DCWeary
    said it best when he/she posted the following comment:

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    Neo/dino,

    Due process is afforded to everyone accused of a crime. Conversely, Mayor Gray cannot use the fact that the continuing criminal investigative process to claim innocence because the US prosecutor has not completed his work. Yes, we get that due process requires that a person is viewed as innocent until proven guilty. But when all of the evidence and our common sense clearly show that the elected official is guilty of poor judgment, if not corruption, i.e. accepting shadow campaign funds and paying Suilamon Brown, and hides behind silence or by bullying those who demand he be held accountable for these actions during the elections, the Mayor cannot assert his rights under the law. He is an elected official; if he wants to be a regular citizen, then resign and fight it as Joe Citizen. He is no role model. It seems to easy to get forgiveness. We should not forget.

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    I couldn't of said it better. I don't need the U.S. Attorney's Office to convince me that Gray is not credible. Notwithstanding what I learned personally while employed by the District, his declarations that he didn't know about the shadow campaign defines all reason - to it simply doesn't make sense.

    Why on earth would Thompson contribute $750,000.00 to Gray's campaign unless Gray had promised him something in return? Common sense leads me to this only viable conclusion. In addition, his own campaign manager has stated that he told Gray. And it goes on and on and .....

    DC is sick and tired of corrupt politicians. Enough is enough!!!!

  • SEis4ME

    @School, so you think it's more appropriate for those concerned about Gray's competency as mayor to focus on what he has done before he was elected..or during his actual term?

    Absent an indictment, the "what happened before he became Mayor" will have to be set aside in order to focus on his actual record.

  • Schoolman

    @Tony:

    You stated:

    Clearly, you don't believe that Gray deserves a second term as Mayor. While this opinion vastly differs from tons of people in this city including mines, you are entitled to it.

    My response:

    When Fenty announced his re-election campaign it appeared
    that Gray was the underdog. Fenty was leading in the polls and like you, many reported that "tons of people" supported him. I knew better all along. Everywhere I went, I spoke with people about Fenty and the campaigns. The feedback I received from the people did not support the polls or statements (in support of Fenty) made by many commentators. The same is true here. Say what you like, but the strong support that you assert Gray has simply isn't there, particularly in Wards 7 and 8.

    "..deserve a second term? Please! I'm beginning to wonder if he ever should have been Mayor to begin with.

    You stated:

    It's a well-known rule in politics that if you are in favor of removing someone from office then you must have a “reasonable alternative” as a replacement.

    My Response:

    "It's a well-known rule in politics... " Who's rule? Your rule? Please. You are supporting Gray and you have the audacity to talk about rules.

    I believe, with all sincerity, that Gray is unfit for office. This conclusion is not based upon the viability, or lack of such, of any other candidate. Rather it is based solely upon his conduct.

    You asked:

    If you are going to press the argument that Gray should be voted out, who would you offer as a “reasonable alternative” to Gray?

    I do have a number of candidate in mind that I believe would serve this city well. But know is not the appropriate time to make the case for other candidates. Right now, the "gravity in the city" is pulling to strongly towards correction of a wrong. Currently, the cities cry for justice and for the restoration of its dignity is too loud.

  • REALDC

    @schoolman- LOL.
    What or who is a DCWeary? That is your evidence that Gray is not trustworthy? DCWeary's rant
    about evidence and common sense. What evidence does dc weary have that the US atty doesn't have? Common sense?? Let's just say common sense is not so common.

    Just because you are investigated does not mean you are guilty. And common sense should not let you draw those conclusions you are stating.

    If you don't like Gray that is fine but making disparaging remarks about if he is not trustworthy or credible has to be supported by facts not drunken, incoherent rants from "sock puppets"...kudos to who first used that term....funny and appropriate......

    For REAL!

  • REALDC

    @schoolman- just get over the fact that Fenty lost that race himself!

    No shadow campaign beat him....... Fenty showed his true colors and the people of DC was not voting for an asshole jerk of a mayor for re-election.

    The vote was more anybody but Fenty not a pro Gray vote.

    The Fenty Losers need to get over it!!

    Gray has been and is a better mayor!

  • tony

    SCHOOLMAN WRITES: "I do have a number of candidate in mind that I believe would serve this city well.But know is not the appropriate time to make the case for other candidates."

    THERE'S AN ELECTION ON APRIL 1, 2014.

    AGAIN, WHO DO YOU BELIEVE SHOULD SERVE AS A "REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE" TO GRAY?

    IT'S A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION. THERE'S NO NEED TO STRUGGLE WITH THIS BASIC QUESTION.

  • SEis4ME

    @School, so you think it's more appropriate for those concerned about Gray's competency as mayor to focus on what he has done before he was elected..or during his actual term?

    Absent an indictment, the "what happened before he became Mayor" will have to be set aside in order to focus on his actual record

  • schoolman

    REALDC:

    DCWeary is a commentator who wrote the comment on the date I identified in my earlier comment. I brought his/her comment to your attention because MANY voters I have spoken to share the opinion he/she expressed.
    I, as many others, have good reasons to question Mayor Gray's thrustworthiness and no, these reasons are not based upon what DCweary wrote. Nor are these opinions based solely upon the fact that he remains under investigation. The facts that have already been disclosed are more than sufficient to cause any reasonable person to legitimately question his trustworthiness. Although I have repeatedly stated these facts, I will repeat them again:

    1. It is a fact that Harry Thompson made $750,000.00 in illegal contributions to Gray's 2010 campaign;

    2. It is a fact that Thompson and Gray were close associates at the time the contributions were made;

    3. It is a fact that the $750,000.00 contribution was used to fund and illegal shadow campaign;

    4. It is a fact that Thompson pled guilty to a felony for his participation in Gray's campaign;

    5. It is a fact that a company(s) owned by Thompson had been awarded a very large and very lucrative District Government contract;

    6. It is a fact that Gray's own campaign manager stated that he brought the matter to Gray's attention during the campaign;

    7. It is a fact that a culture of "pay-to-play" exists in the District;

    8. It is a fact that 4 well established "power brokers" have pled guilty to felonies associated with Gray's campaign;

    10. It is a fact that S. Brown stated that Gray solicited him to heckle Fenty;

    11. It is a fact that S. Brown participated in the illegal shadow campaign as was awarded a position of Director of a District Government Agency after Gray was elected;

    13. Vernon Hawkins, who has pled guilty to a felony associated with the campaign, was a major campaign operative and close Gray associate. Thompson, the funder of the shadow campaign, was also a close Gray associate. But, according to all accounts, there was no personal relationship between Hawkins and Thompson. Gray himself is the only common denominator connecting the two.

    12. And the list goes on and on and .....

    I could continue indefinitely if you would like, but I think you get the point. Again, the facts themselves are sufficient to cause any reasonable people to question Gray's trustworthiness and credibility.

    Finally, my common sense is a factor here. And my common sense tells me (considering the facts that have been revealed) that Thompson would not make a $750,000.00 contribution to the Gray campaign without a promise of reward.

    If you believe that the voters will not use their common sense when casting their votes, you are fooling yourself. I don't need the U.S. Attorney's Office to make this decision for me. Neither will the other voters.

  • schoolman

    SEis4ME:

    I'm in no position to control what other voters think. We are all free to focus on what we wish. Those who prefer to focus on Gray's pre-election conduct are free to do so. Those who prefer to focus on Gray's performance record are free to do so.

    Personally, I prefer to focus on both for legitimate reasons. His pre-election conduct speaks to his credibility, trustworthiness and fitness to hold public office. His post-election record speaks to his ability to effectively manage the city. With regards to the second, I strongly disagree with those who assert that he has been an effective leader.

    REALDC:

    In response to your posting #27 above, I didn't support Fenty in the 2010 campaign. I strongly supported and campaigned for Gray.

    I agree that Fenty lost the election because of the way he governed. But that doesn't justify Gray's conduct.

  • Hands Down

    Orange is the best candidate. Gray will lose because he cannot protect his own backyard. Out of all the candidates running for Mayor, Orange is the only wild/crazy one to go to bat for the "residents" and against the establishment.

    Nothing spectacular has happened EOTR except the wages/Wal-Mart debacle. Orange was the only one telling Wal-Mart to leave town if they couldn't pay residents a respectable wage.

    Gray weak ass sided with Wal-Mart and adjusted the wages once they threatened to leave.

    Kwame Brown, Harry Thomas, and Marion Barry all showed up for the Special Election and threatened to take away contracts for people if they voted for Orange and not Sekou Biddle. Against all odds, Orange came back and beat Biddle.

    EOTR helped Gray against Fenty,

    Now its time for EOTR to help itself.

    Bowser forfeited that support by vouching for a deputy mayor.
    Gray dont care about EOTR, Wells & Evans dont care about EOTR... Catania SURE AS HELL doesnt care for EOTR.

    The only one in their corner.... Orange

    Sorry but its true...

  • tony

    @Hands Down,

    At least you are willing to let people know where you stand. Of course, Orange will lose..

    Mayor Gray will be re-elected convincingly!

    ALL OF THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME.

    THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE SHOWING OF LOVE AND VOTES FOR VINCENT GRAY FROM THE YOUNG BROTHERS AND SISTERS EOTR ON ELECTION DAY!

    MARK MY WORDS!

  • schoolman

    REALDC:

    I find your commentary about "common sense" interesting because you seem to discount it. I rely upon my "common sense" on a daily basis.

    If I am walking down the street at night and see people hanging in an alley, my common sense would tell me not to walk through that alley. And I wouldn't walk down the alley because my common sense told me not to. I wouldn't need evidence that anyone in the alley has robbed anyone in the past.

    If I invite someone into my home and I missed an item after they leave, my common sense would tell me not to let the person into my home again until I had located the item. I would follow my common sense.

    I think you get my point. I think we all use our common sense(s) each day when making decisions. Whether it is practical to do so or not (and I believe that it is) is not the prevailing point. The prevailing point is WE ALL RELY UPON OUR COMMON SENSE(s). Do you not agree?

  • Roscoe’s Wetsuit

    tony, if the "young brothers and sisters" EOTR continue to vote the way they have always voted, they will continue to receive what they have always received - which is what, exactly?

  • noodlez

    @ROSCOES WETUPPERLIP-WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?

    YO DUMBASS THEY VOTED FOR FAGGIE FENTY AND LOOK WHERE THAT GOT THEM. THEY VOTED FOR SHARON PRATT DIXON WHO PUT THEM IN AN EVEN DEEPER HOLE!

    THAT UNDERCOVER RACIST BULLSHIT DON'T PLAY HERE! TAKE THAT GARBAGE BACK TO WHEREEVA THE FUCK YOU CAME FROM!

  • Roscoe’s Wetsuit

    First of all, Noodlez, there's nothing racist, undercover or otherwise, about my post. Firstly, I'm black. Secondly my comment holds true for any race or group of people. Vote the same way, get the same results. I know that you and tony aren't bright enough to illuminate a 20watt lightbulb between the both of you, maybe I should simplify?

    What has Marion done in his terms as W8 council member, aside from lip service? What has Yvette accomplished, ever? What did Kwame Brown do to benefit EOTR? What did Vince do EOTR? Surely you can see the pattern here. EOTR has lagged, and still lags behind the other wards in terms of development. The current and prior batches of elected officials didn't do squat EOTR - why would they start now?

    BTW, glad you brought up Sharon Pratt - after all, she gave Vince Gray his start with DHS, and we all saw how that turned out. Unfortunately for us, Vince still keeps her close, and she's hosting a fundraiser for him along with Yvette and some convicted felons. One City!

  • schoolman

    Tony:

    You wrote:

    "THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE SHOWING OF LOVE AND VOTES FOR VINCENT GRAY FROM THE YOUNG BROTHERS AND SISTERS EOTR ON ELECTION DAY!"

    Tony, I think you need to get out of the Wilson Building more. You assessment is inconsistent with public opinion EOTR. Have you been over here lately and spoke with the residents? I live here and do so every day.

    I suggest you focus your efforts WOTR in those areas where the residents have realized far more economic development. Oh ... but the Whites over there want a White Mayor ... I forgot about that. I suggest you start cleaning out your desk.

  • tony

    THE GRAY'S EXPRESS TRAIN IS ROLLING FULL STEAM AHEAD!

    HATERS GET OUT THE WAY! HATERS GET OUT THE WAY!

    BONK!! BONK!!

  • noodlez

    SLIM U BEING BLACK DOESN'T DISCOUNT YOUR FUCKED UP ASS COMMENT! I STAND BY WHAT I SAID.

    THE MERE FACT THAT YOU WOULD MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT IN A CITY THAT IS PREDOMINATELY BLACK, TOWARDS AN AREA THAT IS PREDOMINATELY BLACK, THAT HAVE BEEN LED BY PREDOMINATELY BLACK LEADERS WOULD SIGNIFY THAT YOUR COMMENT IS RACIST. PERIOD.

    YOUR COMMENT ASSERTS THAT BLACK FOLK ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TANGIBLE IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR VOTE. AS IF YOU ARE PARROTING SOME REDUMBLICAN TALKING POINT AS IF WE ARE WAITING FOR A FUCKING HANDOUT??

    NIGGA PLEEZE AINT NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT.

  • Roscoe’s Wetsuit

    hey noodles, if you want to stand by stupid, feel free.

    EVERYONE is looking for something tangible in exchange for their vote - be it "good government", a progressive agenda, bike lanes, development EOTR - whatever. Think that might be why politicians make campaign promises? Son, you are slow.

    BTW, seems like you have conveniently ignored the below - I its because you can't formulate a coherent argument, but care to comment anyway?

    What has Marion done in his terms as W8 council member, aside from lip service? What has Yvette accomplished, ever? What did Kwame Brown do to benefit EOTR? What did Vince do EOTR? Surely you can see the pattern here. EOTR has lagged, and still lags behind the other wards in terms of development. The current and prior batches of elected officials didn't do squat EOTR - why would they start now?

    Also, Sharon Pratt - Vince's patron. Your (scrambled) thoughts, please?

  • REALDC

    @schoolman or should we say you are like school in the summertime...."no class"....(Cosby Kids)

    For real, you really need to "check "your facts or work on your reading comprehension, either way you are wrong as two left shoes....

    1. WRONG. It was Jeff Thompson and the amount was $630,000
    2. WRONG. That has not been established!
    3. WRONG. The amount is $630,000 and it is "alleged".
    4. WRONG. Thompson has NOT even been charged. There is no plea!!
    5. Correct. Yes, and the contract was first awarded under Wiliams and renewed under Fenty.
    6. WRONG.
    7. MAYBE. More prominent under Fenty.
    8. WRONG.
    10. WRONG
    11. WRONG.
    13. WRONG
    12. WRONG

    And that is the order that you wrote your incorrect facts!!! Where is 9? Never mind....

    See I read everything including your responses and my conclusion is that it is sad that you and others are so misinformed!! Please use some of your common sense and improve your relative knowledge because your abysmal ignorance is dangerous to yourself and others!!

    Seriously, please go read and fact check because you are as lost as a beagle in high grass!

    For REAL!

    I'm done......

  • schoolman

    REALDC:

    The facts I stated are true. Obviously, you are haven't been following this matter. I received my information from newspapers, radio stations, quoted newspaper sources, court records, etc. Not one single person, knowledgable about what has been confirmed as true, has refuted my statements.

    Why do you think the media is still pressing Gray some much when he states that he didn't know about the shadow campaign? You are simply unwilling to accept the truth.

    Would you like for me to cite these reliable and well respected sources?

  • tony

    @Noodlez and RealDC,

    Schoolman is some white racist hack who is promoting himself as a black man so he can deliver his racist rants against black leaders without being called a racist. It's all a game. He then posts comments under different HANDLES to give the impression that his racist views are supported.

    It's all a political stunt!

    The idea behind this political stunt is to smear black politicians in hopes that such will suppress the black vote.

    THE GRAY'S EXPRESS TRAIN IS GOING FULL STEAM AHEAD!

    ...WE AIN'T STOPPING FOR NOTHING!

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