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Elissa Silverman releases her tax returns as promised, challenges other candidates to do the same. [Post]

Fire trucks fail inspection. [Fox5]

Pat Mara has most cash to spend in homestretch. [Examiner]Fake Silverman twitter account leads to confrontation between candidate and activist. [@timcraigpost]

Pols enjoy Emancipation Day parade. [NBC4]

D.C. not prepared for Boston-like emergency, says former homeland security boss. [WTOP]

Race matters in D.C. politics. [Examiner]

 

  • truth hurts

    So, Silverman's the only candidate to keep her promise to DC's electorate and the media. She released her tax returns yesterday. The other so-called reform candidates reneged. It's easy to see only one candidate can be trusted to follow through and tackle corruption on the council.

  • RealDC

    Nice gimmick by Silverman but who cares? A tax return showing by these folks is irrelevant.

    Now lets see the tax returns by the current council members, now that would be relevant. Along with their constituent service funds accounting report. Who gave and who got what?

    This race continues to be the battle to be the "tallest midget" in the room. All are short but who will win the "jump ball."

    Mara=Closet Republican..... "I'll support Romney but I'm not like Romney"...whatever. Translation: Mara needs a job and after he loses this race he is done in DC politics. Mara will be out of excuses on why he is short again.

    Bonds= Old Guard Bama of the Week...." I am all YOU black folks got".....Just stale old rhetoric. Translation: Bonds is about Bonds. Narcissistic and delusional are the two words to describe her "back seat" political career. Her record as DSC chair is HORRIBLE . When is that organization going to hold elections? How about GAAP accounting principles for their bookkeeping? Enough. Be gone Bonds.

    Silverman=...... " I will show my tax returns".... So what? Self-righteous and hypocritical are the best 2 words to describe this one. No thanks!

    Frumin......Not a bad campaign. If he does not win here, he should take on Cheh in 2014 for the ward 3 seat. He has a following and should beat her!

    Zukerberg....... Best issue and is very effective in the forums. Good answers. Very practical. Probably does not have enough to win but IMO is the "Tallest Midget" in this election. Needs a big push form that concert. If he does not win, would like to see him take on Graham in ward 1.

  • truth hurts

    At Monday's CP forum, Frumin was the first person asked whether he'd release tax returns on Tuesday . He said "sure". The same question was then posed to every other candidate. They all promised to release their returns. Silverman's the only candidate to honor that public commitment.

    You think keeping one's promise to the electorate is a "nice gimmick"? Conversely, you think breaking one's promise to the electorate is "irrelevant"? Wow.

    As for Zuckerburg, I'd like to see him take on Graham. Hope he wins that one. Same sentiment re Frumin versus Cheh.

  • SEis4ME

    What exactly does the city gain by any of the candidates or CM's releasing their tax returns. This is an at-large...not a presidential race. Is there even a history of MAYORAL candidate feeling the need to release their tax returns? Is there a HISTORY of CM's w/tax problems beyond Barry? So why is this important again?

    Its not. It's a ruse by Silverman and her minions used to convince voters that she's somehow superwoman and that we "really" need to vet candidates tax returns in ways that doesn't apply for any other city in the entire country.

    I mean really folks....tax returns? Is that the best we can do now? Really?

  • Lukas

    To be fair to @truth hurts, if the other candidates said they would post them, they should.

    However, $52 in charitable contributions from a tax and spend democrat is not great on appearances.

  • FormerBrownSupporter
  • SEis4ME

    I don't care what they agreed to as it wouldn't change my vote for Frumin either way. Would Silverman voters NOT support her if she didn't release them? Of course not and nor should they.

    Hello bright and shiny object....nice to meet you.

  • Andrea Rosen

    RealDC, calling Elissa Silverman's release of her tax returns a gimmick demonstrates that you weren't at the City Paper forum (and didn't bother to read the follow-up article on it), where Loose Lips exacted a promise from all candidates present (Anita Bonds declined to attend) to release their tax returns. Alan Suderman's rationale was that releasing tax returns is the norm in national campaigns, and some recent Councilmembers rapidly fell from power once their personal financial indiscretions were uncovered, so why not get air the facts before the election instead of afterwards. Only Ms. Silverman kept the promise they all made, although Mr. Mara tried to dodge it by promising he'd release his returns after he was elected to the Council. (NOT SO FAST, pit bull in a Boy Scout's uniform!). The problem with most Washingtonians, and probably most Americans, is that they say they want clean candidates and clean government, but when someone doesn't play by the unofficial dirty rules, it rankles us. We begin to whine that the person who has actually made an effort to live up to the ethical standards we say we want is "holier than thou," by which we mean holier than us, and we don't like it. Look to thyself, voter. If you want the same-old/same-old, then vote for the slippery Patrick Mara, who didn't come clean about his livelihood and has a PAC called DC Action Swiftboating Elissa Silverman. Or vote for Anita Bonds, who wouldn't know a conflict of interest if it paved over her. Ms. Bonds’s appetite for repaving Washington’s streets, expressed when she took office in December, when the business would inevitably fall to her employer, Fort Myer Construction, strikes me as evidence of her comfort with conflict of interest. Nor do I find her financial backing by, per Loose Lips, "Joe Mamo, the king of the city's gas stations; former Councilmember John Ray, who is one of the city's top-billing lobbyists; Jerry Schaeffer, a taxi magnate who has outsized influence in the city's cab industry; and Kerry Pearson, a lobbyist who helped Fort Myer Construction (where Bonds works) keep its place atop the city's road-paving industry" confidence-inspiring. Because Elissa Silverman works hard to abide by the ethical standards she set for herself, based on the popular outcry by progressives in the wake of the Citizens United, she gets castigated as if she'd renounced sex, drink, and rock and roll and required you to, also.

  • RealDC

    @truthhurts- The "gimmick" part of this is Silverman stating to release her tax return. Not the promise(s) to the electorate. The candidates that promise to release their return, should. But a release of a tax return is not the ultimate proof of transparency. Just "gimmicky" campaigning. But it goes with her "self-righteous" campaign.

    Also, their tax returns are irrelevant not their promise to do do so. At this point, none work for the city. What do you want to know...how rich or broke they are?

    The current council members would have more to hide. Like where do their spouses work, board payments, etc.

  • noodlez

    @TRUTH-POINT OF ORDER: MARA THE WHITE CONSERVATIVE GAY REPUBLICAN DIDN'T SAY THAT HE WOULD SUBMIT TAX RETURN AS A CAMPAIGNER. HE INITIALLY FUMBLED QUESTION TO SKIRT ISSUE THEN AFTER NEEDLING BY SEWERMAN HIS ANSWER WAS VAGUE AND OPAQUE. THAT WAS TELLING FROM SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO BULLSHIT FOLKS WIT THE IMA CLEAN POLITICIAN WACKNESS.

    IT PISSED ME OFF THAT MARA'S COCKSUCKING CRONIES BOOED PERRY REDD WHO SEEMED TO BE THE MOST HONEST AND FORTHRIGHT CAMPAIGNER AND ALSO AN EASY GOING BROTHA. IF HE HAD SOME BACKING HE WOULD MAKE A FEW FOLK WHO ARE COMFORTABLE IN THEIR SEAT NOW VERY UNCOMFORTABLE IN A ONE ON ONE RACE.

    MARA ALSO WANTS TO PRIVATIZE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND LIKE A GOOD REDUMBLICAN THE SHIM SEES EVERY OPPORTUNITY AS A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. THUS THE REASON HE OPTED FOR SCHOOL BOARD POLITICO INSTEAD OF AN ANC SPIZZOT AFTER LAST LOSS. THIS THANG AND HIS FAKE ASS BLUE OYSTER BAR CROWD NEED TO TAKE THEIR SHOW ON THE ROAD TO ANOTHER CITY AND OPEN UP SHOP THERE!

    THE CHASE OF A DOLLAR ON THE BACKS OF CHILDREN TAKING TESTS FOR STATS (SO CHILDREN AND POLITICOS COULD MOVE UP THE LADDER) IS REALLY STARTING TO CONCERN ME. IS IT COINCIDENTAL THAT GAYTANIA A REDUMBLICAN AND THIS MARA THANG A REDUMBLICAN ARE BOTH FOCUSED ON EDUCATION WHEN THEY DON’T HAVE ANY CHILDREN, CAN’T RELATE TO CHILDREN AND THEIR BACKGROUND ISNT IN EDUCATION??? SOMEBODY NEED TO TREEBOX THESE BAMMAS!

    AS FOR OTHER THE CANDIDATES:

    ZOOKERBERG-HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, GROUNDED WITH THE HOMIES AND IF HE LIVES IN THE GRAHAMSTANDERS WARD SHOULD CHALLENGE HIM NEXT GO ROUND. HE IS TO FAR BACK IN THE PACK TO CATCH UP AND HE SHOULD ALSO TACK BACK RIGHT JUST A TAD SO OLDER FOLK WOULD TAKE HIM SERIOUS.

    SILVERMAN-INFORMED, SHARP AND WELL SPOKEN. UNLESS BONDS GET PULLED BACK TO THE GROUP A SOLID SECOND FOR HER IS EXPECTED. FOLK WHO CAN’T RELATE TO HER SEE HER AS TO SELF ABSORBED AND THAT IS PROBLEMATIC IN A CITY WIDE RACE. SHE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED THE LOCAL INDEPENDENT WOMAN CARD ESPECIALLY BEING FROM B-MO.

    FRUMIN- HE FITS THE MOLD FOR COUNCILMAN. HAVE ALL THE RIGHT ANSWERS AND ASTUTE ENOUGH TO AVOID LANDMINES. PROBLEM IS HE WILL SPLIT VOTES WITH SILVERMAN AND NO ONE KNOWS WHO HE IS EAST OF 16TH ST.

    REDD-SLIM NEED TO UP HIS BUSINESS ACUMEN GAME. LOST HIS FOOTING AND A GOT A BIT EXPOSED FROM FRUMIN’S QUESTION. HOWEVA HE STOOD TOE-TA-TOE AND SHOWED & PROVED THAT HE CAN PLAY WITH THE BIG DOGS. IM GLAD HE CORRECTED THE PANEL AND EVERYONE ELSE ON THE ANITA BONDS “BLACK FOLK VOTE FOR ME” ISSUE.

    THOUGHT SHERWOOD THRU HIS WEIGHT AROUND
    WRIGHT LOBBED A FEW SOFTBALLS
    SEWERMAN CLEANED HIS GARBAGE UP FOR FORUM

    @REAL-IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IF THE FOLK WHO ARE PLANNING TO REPRESENT US ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING WITH THEIR OWN FINANCES BEFORE THEY GET THEIR HANDS ON OURS.

    ONE CITY!

  • SEis4ME

    @RealDC, and Alan is silly for even proposing such a useless question for an at-large seat as if there's a history of problems in this area...and its not. So you end up convinving people that tax returns, while interesting, is a reason to vote for/against somebody in an at-large race. It's not.

    DC is clearly a democrats town and I don't have the same issue w/republicans as do most of the electorate. You can tell this by anyone opposed to Mara using his party as a means of attacks. It's your usual run of the mill partisan tactics.

    I personally don't see what someone's "children status" has to do w/their ability to lead. The same ridamndiculous attack was employed by Barbara Boxer who intimated that the esteemed scholar, Dr. Condi Rice, was ill-equipped to discuss the war and its costs...because she was unmarried and w/o kids. It's a silly line...that's all.

  • Lukas

    Frumin has posted his returns.

    Over 12k in charitable donations. That is someone who walks the talk.

    $52. Really? Even proportional to income, it is insulting.

  • Lukas
  • noodlez

    @SE-USING CONDI RICE AND WAR IN SAME BREATH JUST KILLS YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT???? AND BY MY ACCOUNT MS. BOXER MAY HAVE PROVEN TO BE RIGHT.

    THAT BEING SAID-TO NOT BE INVOLVED IN A SCHOOL CHILD'S LIFE, HAVE CHILDREN OF YOUR OWN (BE IT NATURAL OR ADOPTION) AND TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT SCHOOL CHILDREN AND THEIR WAY OF LIFE/LEARNING IS A BIT OXY-MORONIC! SEE GAYTANIA REACHING OUT TO HIS WORST ENEMY FOR DIRECTION THEN GET BACK AT ME

    AS OF LATE WE HAVE HAD SOME QUESTIONABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH SHAKY TAX ISSUES, FRAUD ISSUES AND SPENDING OTHER FOLK MONEY ISSUES SO I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH MAKING SURE WE PUT FOLK IN PUBLIC SEATS THAT ARE HONEST AND UP FRONT WITH THEIR PERSONAL SITUATIONS BE IT FINANCIAL OR OTHERWISE.

    noodlez IS THE LAST PERSON TO AGREE WITH SEWERMAN ON ANY ISSUE BUT THE COWBAMMAS LOVER DOES HAVE A POINT WITH RAISING THE TAX RETURN ISSUE.

  • Sherman

    Who the fuck is Frumin?

  • Mr. 53 Percent

    Kudos to Elissa. Her transparency and honesty should be commended. She pledged to release her tax returns and did so before any of her competitors. This was no gimmick. I doubt Mara or Bonds will ever release their returns.

  • RealDC

    @andrearosen- LOL. So what you are saying is that if we saw Harry Thomas's tax return we would have known he was taking money from CYIT? Or if we had seen Kwame Brown's return, we would have known he fudged a bank application? Really, how?

    Tax returns only show that they filed their taxes...maybe. But maybe we can get each candidate to sign an official tax transcript request....get real. This is a gimmick. If Silverman wins will she make her tax returns available next year? How about 2014 and beyond? Like I said, GIMMICKY!

    @noodlez- Agree, it would be nice to know the candidate's finances are in order. But a tax return does not show that. Maybe a credit report? A D&B statement?

    @seis4me-Agree.

  • MaryinNE

    Why not release a credit report. That would be more telling!

  • SEis4ME

    No, since my point was about the ridiculous assertion that not having kids makes you an unfit public servant wrt to education, the Rice analogy is apt. Backed up by the fact that Boxer, Bush, Clinton nor ANY of the rest had children who were in a war. So sure, Barbara attacking a black unwed woman scholar would obviously have been proven right to those of her persuasion.

    Thagt being said, your logic is utterly ridiculous and akin to assuming that an actual "childless teacher" is woefully unprepared to teach...because he doesn't have kids. Yeah ok.

    As of late, we've had ONE issue w/a CM's tax return. So while Alan's question might seem timely...its not. If so, I imagine you would've been heard calls for all pols to release the tax records...which as has been stated, won't give you the insight you think you need. I don't need to see them and would never base my vote on it.

    The tax issue is now the in thing but it most certainly shouldn't apply to local elections.

  • SEis4ME

    No, since my point was about the ridiculous assertion that not having kids makes you an unfit public servant wrt to education, the Rice analogy is apt. Backed up by the fact that Boxer, Bush, Clinton nor ANY of the rest had children who were in a war. So sure, Barbara attacking a black unwed woman scholar would obviously have been proven right to those of her persuasion.

    Thagt being said, your logic is utterly ridiculous and akin to assuming that an actual "childless teacher" is woefully unprepared to teach...because he doesn't have kids. Yeah ok.

    As of late, we've had ONE issue w/a CM's tax return. So while Alan's question might seem timely...its not. If so, I imagine you would've been heard calls for all pols to release the tax records...which as has been stated, won't give you the insight you think you need. I don't need to see them and would never base my vote on it.

    The tax issue is now the in thing but it most certainly shouldn't apply to local elections....at least when its never been an issue. But that's what happens when you have moderators as such..the same ones who apparently didn't think to actually "cover" the debate. What we ARE focus on is the silliness over tax returns.

    +1 Alan for realizing that the best way to make the insignificant significant...is to make the insignificant...well...significant

  • noodlez

    @SE-WHAT IS UTTERLY RIDICULOUS IS YOUR LOVE FOR THE WHITE, GAY, CONSERVATIVE, REDUMBLICAN WHO GOT YOUR EYES SO MISTY AND TEARY THAT YOU CANT SEE THE FOREST FROM THE TREES. SLIM STOP TELLIN ON YOURSELF!

    THE CHILDLESS TEACHER IS INVOLVED IN EDUCATING SAID CHILD SO THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST. WHAT SOMEONE HAVE YET TO ANSWER IS HOW CAN SOMEONE SHAPE POLICY AND PROCEDURES WITHOUT ANY INSIGHT TO THOSE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES? MARA AND GAYTANIA HAVE OUTSIGHT AND ARE ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT SOME MYSTICAL NUMBERS (TESTING STATS)THAT SHOW SOMEONE BEING ABLE TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY DEEM THOSE MYSTICAL NUMBERS THE END ALL BE ALL.

    ADDITIONALLY THE WILLINGNESS TO RELEASE ONES TAX RETURNS SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND YOU ARE DOING YOUR CIVIC DUTY BY FILING YOUR TAX RETURNS. ITS NOT ALL ABOUT WHATS IN THOSE RETURNS BUT SHOWING ADDITIONAL INCOME OR MONIES THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF THOSE MONIES ARE COMING FROM SOME JOKER WHO DOESN'T WANT THE SAME THING FOR THE VERY FOLK THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT!

    DUDE DON'T VENTURE INTO CLOWN TERRITORY DEFENDING THAT BAMMA. YOU GONNA FUCK AROUND AND GET YOUR CRED & HANDLE REVOKED. YOU NEW HANDLE WILL BE MARAis4MEWHILEHEISDICKINGME!

    RECOGNIZE!!!

  • SEis4ME

    Unlike you, I don't have a problem w/white, gay, republicans or any political affiliation. If memory serves me correct, you are the principle instigator of all discussions gay. So apparently the fascination w/gayness extends further than your limp wrist.

    A childless teacher has a vested interest but a city's politician doesn't? Or is your next ridiculous point that only politicians w/children could have a vested interest? Of course that too would be as rididamndiculous because it assumes that they have school-aged children at all.

    There isn't a history of local pols w/things to hide. So releasing them the week before an election matters not. Sure, "would you want to see someone's tax returns" would always poll well..even for your own. But it matters little w/in the context of THIS election.

    I think it's years past time for you to leave your fascination w/penis and white men at the bathhouse's door. But knowing you, your fascination will continue.

    I'm quite comfortable w/my sexuality and rarely feels the need to discuss someone else's.

    OTOH...the proof is in your post.

  • noodlez

    CHAMP I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHITES. MY BEST FRIEND IS A WHITE BOY FROM SOUTHERN PG COUNTY.

    I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAYS. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A GAY POLITICIAN WHO PROMOTES THEIR HOMOSEXUALITY IN ORDER TO GARNER VOTES OR PUSH UNLAWFUL LEGISLATION THRU.

    I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH REPUBLICANS JUST REDUMBLICANS CLAMORING FOR ATTENTION TO ACCENTUATE SOME IGNORANT POSITION THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE TO REPUBLICANS.

    WHAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ARE BAMMAS LIKE MARA TRYING TO PLAY BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE AND PLAYING TO FOLK SENSIBILITIES TO GET AHEAD IN ORDER TO FULFILL HIS CHECKLIST OF SOME BULLSHIT PERSONAL AGENDA AT THE COST OF THOSE HE FEEL ARE BENEATH HIM. FUCK PATRICK MARA AND THOSE LIKE HIM.

    UMMMM NEWSFLASH!! YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY SENSE EITHER PARSING MY COMMENTS TO YOUR BENEFIT. SOME GAY WHITEBOY WHO IS NOT FROM HERE PRETENDING TO BE SOMETHING HE IS NOT TRYING TO RIDE HIS WAY INTO THE WILSON BLDG ON THE BACKS OF CHILDREN BY PUSHING CHARTER SCHOOLS AND PHASING OUT PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

    YOU STILL TELLING ON YOURSELF AND GIVING UP TOO MUCH INFO.

  • Point of Order

    Noodles, Sezame is the kinda whiner that smart talked too many brothers coming up in grade school and got his punk ass face bitch slapped

  • Drez

    Damn. For once it's more fun to watch others go at it than to join in myself.
    At the end of the day, Vote Elissa.

  • Wait, What?

    @Seis4Me: "There isn't a history of local pols with things to hide" - what an incredibly stupid statement, even when considered against your other comments.

    To wit:

    Marion Barry: Tax evader how many times at this point, to say nothing of the other items over the years.
    Harry Thomas: Stealing from his constituents.
    Kwame Brown: Overstating income amongst other things.
    Michael Brown: Multiple Tax Liens.

    The IRS was involved in matters concerning all of the above names. I doubt you are a CPA, but please know that a good forensic accountant could glean a bunch of information re: what folks have to hide, from their tax returns.

  • SEis4ME

    There's no need to prove your like for white men to me.

    Over time I think you've given us all the insight we need to conclude your fascination is highlighted in three areas:

    White
    Men
    Penis

    So it's not really surprising that your best friend has all three.

  • Concerned Senior

    LL/MM is there a way to make moderation work for bloggers who have to resort to non-sensical comments to save face???

  • Wait, What?

    @Concerned Senior, at least SEis4ME has enough sense to quit while he or she is (far) behind...

  • noodlez

    DAMN SE????

    RESORTING TO 2009 noodlez TACTICS IS A BIT FLATTERING.

    HOWEVA YOUR LAME ASS COMMENTS DEFENDING THAT BAMMA MUTUAL FUCKA MARA ARE LAME AT BEST.

  • SEis4ME

    Wait, I'm looking at my tax returns now and trying to figure out now 1)how would you know I stole from someone 2)whether I owe from previous years 3)whether there's a lien 4)whether I overstated my income.

    Especially the last one, since my income is based off my gov't provided W-2....

    Concerned Senior, if the comments wrt me? Go fetch a new pair of Depends.

    @Noodley, the ire against Mara is mainly because he's a republican...which exacerbates everything else. I'm not a stan for any of the lot (Suttles got booted) but of the group, Frumin is least offensive. Had he been responsible for kicking Suttles, then HE would likely be the most offensive.

    As for Mara, he's not any more offensive than the countless other politicians I've voted for simply because they were members of the same party. His support of Fenty/Rhee was when he began to tread water for me.

  • Rake

    @SEis4Me: HA HA HA HA. Before I tackle your simple tax comments, what about your assertion that "there isn't a history of local pols with things to hide"?

    Your tax return is only part of the story to a forensic accountant (or the IRS). Overstating income is easy to figure out if you have all applicable 1099's and W2's, and can verify their sourcing. Contrary to your silly assumption that your W2 comes from the government, unless your employer is the federal government, your W2 comes from your employer - not the government - and is a summation of information sent to the government. Perhaps gain some knowledge prior to commenting.

  • noodlez

    SLIM THE DEBATE WAS TELLING!

    THIS PUNK AND HIS FAGGIE CONTINGENCY WERE ACTING AS IF HE WAS ENTITLED. THE CABARET SPECIAL OF HIM GETTING A BUNCH OF HOMOSEXUALS IN THERE TO CHEER EVERY MEANINGLESS STATEMENT FOR EFFECT FOR A HEINEKEN OR TWO WAS PURE BULLSHIT.

    THE SAD PART FOR HIS BITCH ASS WAS THAT HE DIDN'T SHOW OR PROVE! IN FACT I WOULD BET A DOLLAR THAT HE WENT BACKWARDS WITH THAT SHOWING EXCEPT IN THE EYES OF THOSE BUZZING OFF OF PLAYED OUT GERMAN BEER.

  • SEis4ME

    See the first part of my post 1-4 for reasons why we wouldn't have known those things.

    Then again I admit being wrong. I didn't realize they sent their tax returns to a forensic accountant and the IRS. I wrongly thought they were releasing them to the general public who largely wouldn't be vested in a serious analysis of their tax returns.

    And I also apologize for not knowing (despite all my working years) that your employer's address is in the top left hand corner of your mailed W-2's.

  • Rake

    The returns were already sent to the IRS, silly. Surely you can figure that out, right? Tax liens are also public record...again, not rocket science. Gov't provided W-2 - too funny.

    And again - "there isn't a history of local pols with things to hide" - please explain this ridiculous assertion, if for no other reason than my own amusement!

  • SEis4ME

    The returns were already sent to the IRS, silly. Surely you can figure that out, right?

    No, I didn't figure it out because as I said, I didn't realize they were releasing their tax returns to the agency that processed them in the first place. I thought they were released to the media and that the taxpayers weren't on the hook for having the IRS analyze a potential political officeholder's tax returns. You say that I'm wrong. Ok.

    Yes, tax liens are public records..not private ones. So you wouldn't need to see private tax returns to figure that our right? Which demonstrates my point about how a tax return wouldn't show you that..something to which you agreed.

    Gov't provided W-2 - too funny.

    I agree. Which is why I laughed at your silly, futile attempt to educate me otherwise. Which is also why you currently got the gas face for putting your self out like that. Idiot

    I could be wrong, but weren't Brown's tax problems discussed during his last run for office? Were not they uncovered WITHOUT seeing his tax returns? Hence your point about publicly available tax liens.

    Were Barry's tax issues uncovered because he released his returns? Harry Thomas? Kwame? No right?

    I suggest you go back and read the back and forth and determine at which point you began to look like a fool best. You've named four people in DC's "history of people w/things to hide in their returns." IMO, that's not a "history." Bad, yes. Pattern...no. And all happened w/o you ever seeing them.

    Be Amused. If I were looking at your mirror's image...I would be too.

    Denny Crane

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