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Remember This Guy?

Former Mayor Adrian Fenty, whose legacy has gotten a big shot in the arm (warranted or not) during the last couple of weeks, popped up on national TV this morning.

Here he is on MSNBC's Morning Joe voicing strong support for Wisconsin's union bustin' guv, Scott Walker.

And no, he did not announce plans to run for mayor in 2014.

  • Woo

    Backing a hard-right moronic asswipe like Walker who blows the fascistic Koch brothers while trying to wipe out unions?!? Looks like the tool Fenty's mask has come off and that he now shows himself for what I always knew he was: An arrogant, anti-(small "D")democratic technocrat who carries water for the rich and has no ability to relate to working people or the poor. And all you newbie DC pansies had your panties in a bunch at fear of what a post-Fenty city would look like and whether your dog parks and bike lanes would be threatened! Thanks God we're rid of him. Let him go get a job as a figurehead at the Cato Institute or whatever - but only as a figurehead, 'cause it's pretty clear he's a pretty dim bulb. Maybe Rhee the liar can manipulate test scores (as she did up in Baltimore) to show he's actually a genius.

  • Really?

    What woo said (please see above)!

  • xtreme_butler

    Lost in the good ol' fashion class warfare rhetoric is an important fact about union contracts: they cause a kind rigidity and inefficiency that prevent innovation and add a layer of costs. It should be easier to move, change duties, promote, or even terminate government employees. The sense of entitlement (which often pivots weirdly to victimhood) that many DC government employees have is encouraged by the fact that they can draw a paycheck as long as they breathe (the exact words of a union local president). This is what needs to be changed and I suspect if Walker prevails most people will be pleasantly surprised at the improvements in government quality and productivity. Even the employees will eventually come around.

  • NU78

    xtreme_butler wrote:
    "The sense of entitlement (which often pivots weirdly to victimhood) that many DC government employees have is encouraged by the fact that they can draw a paycheck as long as they breathe..."

    You know where that "sense of entitlement" started? Look at members of Congress for the answer. They set a wonderful example.

  • Really?

    Ahhh the good old PHD wordy answer that would best be written to say that ya’ll DC gov’t folks don’t deserve shit. Look personally I’ve would have taken the comment seriously as another point of view until you laced it with the DC gov’t stuff. Federal Government Workers have the same Unions with the same protection. Do you think that they are entitled and “pivot weirdly to victimhood”?

    I think that Michael Moore did an excellent job of expressing what this smoke screen union issue is about and who un-surprisingly Fenty supports their agenda.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/america-is-not-broke_b_832006.html

  • Dig Deeper

    Adrian was nothing but an Republican anyway and that is just why he is gone and so will Mr. Wisconsin. Until this country deals with welfare to the rich, nothing will be done about unions.

  • xtreme_butler

    I think the implicit question is why would a democrat support walker. While I have no doubt he is trying to damage unions politically (and their ability to organize and contribute to democrats) there is a less partisan aspect of this that people are overlooking - that of modernizing the workforce and being able to do more with less. For all his flaws, the former mayor had a good view into the costs and structure of the District's work force. That is why it is understandable that he supports Walker.
    In my case, since I work for the DC government (and a union local president was the one who told me that all her members had to do was breathe for thirty years when I had the temerity to ask one of them to write a weekly status report) that is my field of reference. PS - I voted for (and donated to and am happy with) Vince Gray.

  • drez

    WaPo is reporting Sulaimon just met with the House Oversight committee.
    This is a whole new level of ugliness.

  • GJ

    extreme, I took a job my job working for the DC Gov 21 years ago. I have had pay freezes, pay reductions, steps frozen, years without contracts, health care cost illegaly changed, generally F%#ked with, physically assaulted, lost friends, hospital stays. the whole time I've watched the DC Gov. mismanage, steal and piss away money. I contibute 7 % to my retirement and less we forget that the Feds assumed all of DC pension liability up to 1997. If they want to change the system for new hires fine, they can chose to stay or not but for those of us who have been here the city should honor it legal commitments

  • Wrack

    xtreme_butler is 100% right: union contracts do cause inefficiencies. The thing is, sometimes you need inefficiencies... such as weekends. Or protection from political firings by way of a bureaucratic structure. Or the concept of innocence-until-proven-guilty. Sometimes you need checks and balances against efficiency.

    Yes, the inefficiencies of union contracts go too far in some cases. But entirely eliminating the right to bargain collectively? That's too far the other direction. I don't see why the obvious compromise -- i.e., some limitation on public-sector unions' powers -- isn't coming together.

    No, wait. I do see why. Both sides are led by narrow-minded extremist ideologues. Great.

  • Really?

    Drez...can you provide the link?

  • Told-Ya-So
  • http://www.amykbormet.com Amy

    That was so painful to watch...what a weird group dynamic.

  • xtreme_butler

    The compromise should have been happily accept the unions great offer to sacrifice some pay and benefits. The issue of collective bargaining should have been approached differently (or, even better, during contract negotiations). My point was I can see why former mayor Fenty supported Walker. PS - many of us have had our pay scales frozen since 2006 (no cost of living increase), and performance based raises since 2008. This is the first year that union employees have had a similar situation in DC. And everyone's health care costs went up this year to 28% of premiums.

  • GJ

    xtreme I am not just talking about recnet history. Thruout a 21 year period of time. Most of the DC Gov pensions are nothing. you have no problem how over inflated the DC Gov top echelon has gotten but the guy who picks up the trash is the problem. Fight for your benifits dont take mine. If the DC Gov or any of the states had been responsible in the past I could see it. I can only speak for DC. the only time this city was fiscally responsible was when the Control Board/ Anthony Williams was here. Fenty is one of the clowns that spent our way into this mess

  • Rick Mangus

    It's the 70's, 80's and 90's all over again, Congress bring back the control board please!

  • Really?

    xtreme_butler what I thought, but didn't comment was that you may have been a manager. So be it! But the flip of the coin is that I have seen (in Fenty) administration where employees were target because of age or even political affiliation or just plain personality conflicts. I’ve seen and known staff who are working completely different job descriptions then what is on file at human resources.

    The issues within DC Gov’t are many, but some are structural and lack of staff development. Are there some personality issues and folks who should have been gone a long time ago …sure. Like in any organizations. But the vast majority is hard working public servants.

    The other issue that I’ve witnessed when I was working in DC Govt was that many new managers come into the office with an arrogant attitude of “I’ve heard ya’ll DC Gov’t employees are lazy and I’m here to whoop ya’ll in shape”.

  • Really?

    Ron please add 2006-2010 Again as well..Thanks!

  • GJ

    Additionally, most DC Gov. employees have not seen raises, cost of livings, step increases ect.. in many years. They have been furloghed (probably spelt wrong) DC workers have paid enough. police your own street, fight your own fires, teach your own kids, pick up your own trash for a day then tell me if you think we get too much

  • JSM

    As a former Federal, DC and MD government worker I would like to ask, what pray you feel government workers are entitled too? I know as a mental health worker I received long back to back hours, regular thrashings, cursings out including the privilege of a lifelong back injury due to my government service and yes I called it service. My male counterparts received a bit more pay but it was nothing next to the pay and treatment our private counterparts received. One of my co-workers who was entitled to work alone (we were understaffed) was entitled to be kicked while she was about four months pregnant. She lost the baby and our bosses called her at home asking her when she was coming back. Woo, I get excited thinking of all those entitlements! I was a union member and covered until I could return to work. They also advocated for me. My friend non-union not as lucky, lost baby and job.

    But, I am now on the private side and still say government work is no bowl of cherries. Yeah for the union!

  • xtreme_butler

    with regard to actual jobs not matching pds, that is an issue that is a catch 22! Employees want to do more and get mad that they don't get certain assignments, then get mad if you give them additional responsibilities! This is why we need certain degree of flexibility. Personality conflicts can be managed if both parties try. Firings based on age (or ones that don't follow established process) are reprehensible. One untold story of the fenty years is how many people sued and successfully got your job back

  • tired

    I am a union member damn right and I work just has hard as the next person, but what we have here is the divide and conquer that how they will defeat the middle class. The Koch brothers motive is to make all of us servants. They are a generation of Stalins from Russia and they don't care about you or me. Do you not realize that the republicans know that all the money comes from unions for dem reelections .So if you get rid of them you get rid of the dems. ONE PARTY RULE. And what pissing me off is some Dems are sleeping through this or allowing this to happen spineless and gutless. Do you not realize that Bank of America pays no taxes just like the other too big to fail banks. Now that I have practically thrown my computer across the room let's talk about this bald headed sob. How dare he a product of middle class family throw the unions under a bus, he actually thinks he is part of the wealthy he can't even spell union or speak a coherent sentence. HE WAS A ONE TERM MAYOR WITH THE IQ TO MATCH. I am not a morning joe fan but they must have been slumming to let his ass be on any panel. Right now Gray has angered me but I would rather have him then this jackass.

  • Drez

    Yes, the inefficiencies of union contracts go too far in some cases. But entirely eliminating the right to bargain collectively? That's too far the other direction. I don't see why the obvious compromise -- i.e., some limitation on public-sector unions' powers -- isn't coming together.

    No, wait. I do see why. Both sides are led by narrow-minded extremist ideologues. Great.

    I figure Everyone who is inclined to hold the middle ground is keeping their head down. There's no telling which side the killshot will come from.

  • Really?

    Damn Tired tell us how you really feel...lol! @ xtreme_butler you hit the nail on the head with there is a need for flexibility on both sides, but the reality is that there isn't and what gets lost in the conversation is general sweeping generalizations from both sides. What doesn't work is cutting hard work public is cutting public employees off at the knees

    Arrgh its like hearing nails scracthing on a board when ever I hear Fenty say "making tough decesions" and I would not take any advice from this man.

  • I miss Fenty

    I miss Fenty...

  • really

    Really, you just wish you were as handsome as Fenty..and I am not kidding!

  • Bob Woodward

    Remember when DC had a governor who didn't undermine the democratic process by paying people to malign his competitors? Who didn't promise jobs to child stalkers? Ah, the good recent days (which were preceded and followed by the bad old and new days).

  • LOL

    i dont miss fenty. i miss Tony Williams. Fenty was stupid and mean, Gray is stupid and nice. At least Tony was smart.

  • Time2BReal

    The golden days were when Tony Williams was in office. Yes the bow-tie and the bald head was funny beyond measure, but Williams did what he could to bring the money and the attention to the city. Say what you want about Baseball, but there are alot of young adults who have jobs from that deal as well as young people more interested in the game than before. If we want to ever be int he same thought of a state, we need a professional city council who will be about their business and fight for the people nuff said.

  • Adrian Bent-Me

    Given all the madness that's going on in DC, this was reassuring to me on some levels. Even though we're facing a large deficit, incompetent council leadership, and questionable acts by the Mayor or his administration at least, Fenty is a fucking moron and I'm grateful that he's no longer mayor. And the ironic thing is that the idiot is arguing that the politics are right on this. Polls indicate otherwise, but hey, what does polls matter right!? You're Adrian Fenty, you don't "numbers" or "statistics" to tell you otherwise. Idiot.

  • Tego

    When unions are outlawed, only outlaws will have unions.

    And the 40 hour work week is an inefficiency. Bring back 1910 labor laws!!

  • Really?

    @ Really who has the creative capacity to create a screen name as the person they find handsome, thank God beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And for the record, if you saw me I assure you that your opinion will change. Real talk!

  • candycane1

    The Washington Post deemed Fenty "dimwitted" that was the one time I agreed with them. This is the second time I've seen him on Morning Joe and I was not surprised at what I saw. Just glad he's gone.

  • Typical DC BS

    Having the government collect union dues needs to be outlawed. Let the unions do their own collections. Forcing employees to join unions should be outlawed. Make the unions convince EACH AND EVERY EMPLOYEE that they benefit from union membership.

    Union membership in the private sector has been eviscerated by unfair labor practices on behalf of management / ownership, no doubt about that. But even FDR was against unions in government.

    And boo-hoo to the union employees who cry that their retirements and health-care benefits have to be funded with a greater contribution from their own pay. WELCOME TO THE WORLD THE REST OF US INHABIT.

  • EMI

    I can't listen to the whole piece. But if passing the buck is not acceptable why did Mr. Fenty when he was mayor use the city's savings for the operating budget. How is using savings to cover on-going expenses okay morally.

  • IMF

    I miss Fenty. I knew we'd miss him, but I had no idea we'd miss him so much so quickly.

  • Rick Mangus

    You assholes and you know who you are, that voted for Gray and this council should be very, very proud of your vote, don't say I didn't warn you all over and over again in these blogs!

  • deborah

    Thank you Rick Mangus...

  • Really?

    Typical....Do you even know the history of how the Unions were started and I not talking poor working conditions, or child labor laws. I'm talking about the minutia between the republicans and the democratic during this time? The threw a whole group under the bus then and now it's the rest of America now.

    Who should be boo-hooing right now is Wall-Street. We should have just let the market dictate and who every survived...survived.

  • amanda

    (WASHINGTON, DC) Mayor Gray has just released the following; A lot of people have expressed outraged over my relationship s with some of my recent appointments. I'm just as shocked as you are, actually more because who knew all ya'll could read! If you live in wards 5,7, and 8 and want to know I have not hired a single person from there, please see your respective councilmember for employment information. Than again, they have not done anything in years, so good luck with that! (Ps. Yvette has spent less than 5 percent of her constituent fund, try her first). Now some people have expressed that they want their vote back. I spoke with Giant Food and they said there will be not refunds on those giftcards Cora Barry and company gave you to vote. Don't be surprised this is ONE CITY, MANY CROOKS!

  • Really?

    Typical....Do you even know the history of how the Unions were started and I not talking poor working conditions, or child labor laws. I'm talking about the minutia between the republicans and the democratics during this time? The threw a whole group under the bus then and now it's the rest of America now.

    Who should be boo-hooing right now is Wall-Street. We should have just let the market dictat and who every survived...survived.

  • Really?

    Amand..Really? The racist innuendos aren't cute

    "I'm just as shocked as you are, actually more because who knew all ya'll could read! If you live in wards 5,7, and 8"

  • Really?

    Matter of fact I would appreciate you more if you just burned a fucking cross in my yard.

  • http://deleted Etta

    I miss Anthony Williams. He was smart and he gave up the health care plan that is reasonable for low income citizens. I thought he was disconnected until I saw Fenty in action. I voted for Gray and he is now becoming and embrassment and a lier.

  • amanda

    Really, like before forreal about what you are reaching for. For starters, I'm black, also of hispanic heritage, there goes your racist theory. Furthermore, yes Vince Gray and some other black politicians look down on residents who live in the wards. Yes Vince Gray did conduct what I call as poverty pimping by going into subsidized housing and giving residents giftcards to vote. Here is thought, when attempting to engage someone into
    a debate, regardless of far fetched your conclusion is, propose a point that is objectively articulated. Yes, I live in one of wards I mentioned, just in case you wanted to presume I didn't. Funny how the only thing you gleaned from my post, was not even there.

  • Anothernative

    xtreme_butler said, In my case, since I work for the DC government (and a union local president was the one who told me that all her members had to do was breathe for thirty years when I had the temerity to ask one of them to write a weekly status report) that is my field of reference. Typical DC BS said, Having the government collect union dues needs to be outlawed. Let the unions do their own collections. Forcing employees to join unions should be outlawed. Make the unions convince EACH AND EVERY EMPLOYEE that they benefit from union membership. Let's break these two arguments down, (1. For one, I think that forming such an oppinion from one experience with one union person is a bit premature and not to mention immature. Study the history of trade unionism then comeback and comment. (2. no employee is forced to join a union, it's quite the contuary, any employee has the right to optout of joining a union. Fact, unions protect not only your civil rights on a job but also a lot your constitutional rights would probably be trampled on as well. If you think for one second that basic safety as well as humane rights were a result of these owners and bosses heart felt consideration for you, I've got two bridges to sell you. Basic human rights came as a result of spilled blood in a lot of these work places people, you better wake the f*ck up cause history has a way of repeating it's self if you don't no it.A lot of you need to read your history books on issues cause none of this stuff is new, it's just repackaged folks.

  • Really?

    Amanda. I don’t give a FUCK if you are black. Let me repeat that for you. I don’t give a FUCK!!!

    I still think that you’re racist, but since you identified yourself as black, this would preclude you from the second part of the definition of racist. So I’ll call you a prejudice twit. With that I think that marginalizing voters, by the Wards that they reside and who happen to be a group of people who are predominantly black is ignorant. Then you had the nerve to further insinuate that they are illiterate. And not only illiterate, but that they lack the mental capacity to vote based on their interest.

    This was not only slap in the face to them, but a slap in the face to Black voters like my 84 year old grandfather, who didn’t finish elementary school so he could work for his family and faced literacy test under Jim Crow laws as an impediment to voting. But he was smart to work hard to break these laws so asswipes like you could.

    Then..then you went on to call Vince a poverty pimp. So Fenty doing the hee-haw at the various Go-Go’s with Ron Moten wasn’t? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vava0wfSQRc). Fenty aligning himself with Moten, who got millions of contracts with little oversight isn’t poverty pimping (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/39680/for-peaceoholics-lots-of-money-little-oversight-how-adrian-fentys)

    Then...then..then you go on insinuate that voters residing in Wards 5, 7, and 8 haven’t been hired because they have been duped and used. Wow! First it’s only been 2 Fucking months. Second you don’t think that they realized that Fenty blew a BILLION dollar budget which now calls for the new administration to look at cutting many programs that would have benefited the constitutes in these wards.

    And to add the cherry on top the turd in the video above basically says he wishes that he could have done to District Government works, some who happen to live in Wards 5, 7, 8, what you’re doing to the workers in Wisconsin.

    Lastly, I don’t agree with everything Vince has done. Matter of fact I don’t think that there is one politician that I would agree with 100% of everything. But, here is the problem. Fenty was won every ward in the city. This shows that voters in all wards were willing to give him a chance. They did and it was about 18 months to maybe two years before you the real grumblings begin. So at least they were fair and gave him a chance.

    Now, we have these rabid, acolytes, Fenty zombies who pounce on bullshit without giving the administration a chance.

    Now for the record I live in one of the Wards you mentioned and I do have some issues with some of the decisions that the current administration has made. But, it’s early and I will go after Vince like I did Fenty if need be.

  • Really?

    Amanda. I don’t give a F_ _K if you are black. Let me repeat that for you. I don’t give a F_ _K!!!

    I still think that you’re racist, but since you identified yourself as black, this would preclude you from the second part of the definition of racist. So I’ll call you a prejudice twit. With that I think that marginalizing voters, by the Wards that they reside and who happen to be a group of people who are predominantly black is ignorant. Then you had the nerve to further insinuate that they are illiterate. And not only illiterate, but that they lack the mental capacity to vote based on their interest.

    This was not only slap in the face to them, but a slap in the face to Black voters like my 84 year old grandfather, who didn’t finish elementary school so he could work for his family and faced literacy test under Jim Crow laws as an impediment to voting. But he was smart to work hard to break these laws so asswipes like you could.

    Then..then you went on to call Vince a poverty pimp. So Fenty doing the hee-haw at the various Go-Go’s with Ron Moten wasn’t? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vava0wfSQRc). Fenty aligning himself with Moten, who got millions of contracts with little oversight isn’t poverty pimping (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/39680/for-peaceoholics-lots-of-money-little-oversight-how-adrian-fentys)
    Then...then..then you go on insinuate that voters residing in Wards 5, 7, and 8 haven’t been hired because they have been duped and used. Wow! First it’s only been 2 Fucking months. Second you don’t think that they realized that Fenty blew a BILLION dollar budget which now calls for the new administration to look at cutting many programs that would have benefited the constitutes in these wards.

    And to add the cherry on top the turd in the video above basically says he wishes that he could have done to District Government workers, some who happen to live in Wards 5, 7, 8, what the Governer is doing to the workers in Wisconsin.

    Lastly, I don’t agree with everything Vince has done. Matter of fact I don’t think that there is one politician that I would agree with 100% of everything. But, here is the problem. Fenty was won every ward in the city. This shows that voters in all wards were willing to give him a chance. They did and it was about 18 months to maybe two years before you the real grumblings begin. So at least they were fair and gave him a chance.

    Now, we have these rabid, acolytes, Fenty zombies who pounce on bullshit without giving the administration a chance.

    Now for the record I live in one of the Wards you mentioned and I do have some issues with decisions that the current administration has made. But, it’s early and I will go after Vince like I did Fenty.

  • Really’s cousin

    Amanda. I don’t give a F if you are black. Let me repeat that for you. I don’t give a F!!!

    I still think that you’re racist, but since you identified yourself as black, this would preclude you from the second part of the definition of racist. So I’ll call you a prejudice twit. With that I think that marginalizing voters, by the Wards that they reside and who happen to be a group of people who are predominantly black is ignorant. Then you had the nerve to further insinuate that they are illiterate. And not only illiterate, but that they lack the mental capacity to vote based on their interest.

    This was not only slap in the face to them, but a slap in the face to Black voters like my 84 year old grandfather, who didn’t finish elementary school so he could work for his family and faced literacy test under Jim Crow laws as an impediment to voting. But he was smart to work hard to break these laws so asswipes like you could.

    Then..then you went on to call Vince a poverty pimp. So Fenty doing the hee-haw at the various Go-Go’s with Ron Moten wasn’t? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vava0wfSQRc). Fenty aligning himself with Moten, who got millions of contracts with little oversight isn’t poverty pimping (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/39680/for-peaceoholics-lots-of-money-little-oversight-how-adrian-fentys)
    Then...then..then you go on insinuate that voters residing in Wards 5, 7, and 8 haven’t been hired because they have been duped and used. Wow! First it’s only been 2 Fucking months. Second you don’t think that they realized that Fenty blew a BILLION dollar budget which now calls for the new administration to look at cutting many programs that would have benefited the constitutes in these wards.

    And to add the cherry on top the turd in the video above basically says he wishes that he could have done to District Government works, some who happen to live in Wards 5, 7, 8, what you’re doing to the workers in Wisconsin.

    Lastly, I don’t agree with everything Vince has done. Matter of fact I don’t think that there is one politician that I would agree with 100% of everything. But, here is the problem. Fenty was won every ward in the city. This shows that voters in all wards were willing to give him a chance. They did and it was about 18 months to maybe two years before you the real grumblings begin. So at least they were fair and gave him a chance.

    Now, we have these rabid, acolytes, Fenty zombies who pounce on bullshit without giving the administration a chance.

    Now for the record I live in one of the Wards you mentioned and I do have some issues with some of the decisions that the current administration has made. But, it’s early and I will go after Vince like I did Fenty if need be.

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