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	<title>Comments on: The Committee of 100&#8242;s P.R. Problem</title>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DePillis and Alpert&#039;s pontifications routinely show their ageism,
and they chummingly pat each other on the back for it. As a twenty six-year old, they would gang me in their &#039;group,&#039; But, I think their attitude poses a great disservice to the entire community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DePillis and Alpert's pontifications routinely show their ageism,<br />
and they chummingly pat each other on the back for it. As a twenty six-year old, they would gang me in their 'group,' But, I think their attitude poses a great disservice to the entire community.</p>
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		<title>By: IMGoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMGoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;longtimerez&lt;/b&gt;: the actual count of students takes place on april 1. census day has been that day for years. other counts you&#039;re talking about in july or october are not relevant here, as whatever they are don&#039;t produce numbers that are used for redistricting.

i&#039;ve never recommended a &quot;facile once-over of the results&quot; (if we&#039;re going to start throwing quotes back and forth). the council will make sure that things are handled appropriately. if you believe that GGW&#039;s tool is facile, fine. your opinion, plus mine, rubbed together with a quarter won&#039;t get either of us far on a bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>longtimerez</b>: the actual count of students takes place on april 1. census day has been that day for years. other counts you're talking about in july or october are not relevant here, as whatever they are don't produce numbers that are used for redistricting.</p>
<p>i've never recommended a "facile once-over of the results" (if we're going to start throwing quotes back and forth). the council will make sure that things are handled appropriately. if you believe that GGW's tool is facile, fine. your opinion, plus mine, rubbed together with a quarter won't get either of us far on a bus.</p>
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		<title>By: LongTimeRez</title>
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		<dc:creator>LongTimeRez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@imgoph: I did not conclude, or state, &quot;that students... should be ignored...&quot; or that &quot;numbers be spun&quot; to avoid necessary redistricting. What I am suggesting is that there needs to be something more than a facile once-over of the results and some thoughtful analysis before boundaries are shifted for the next ten years.

If this weren&#039;t an important issue, then-DC Mayor Tony Williams wouldn&#039;t have had to sue the federal government back in the mid-2000s to change the count dates from July to October (when the universities are in session).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@imgoph: I did not conclude, or state, "that students... should be ignored..." or that "numbers be spun" to avoid necessary redistricting. What I am suggesting is that there needs to be something more than a facile once-over of the results and some thoughtful analysis before boundaries are shifted for the next ten years.</p>
<p>If this weren't an important issue, then-DC Mayor Tony Williams wouldn't have had to sue the federal government back in the mid-2000s to change the count dates from July to October (when the universities are in session).</p>
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		<title>By: IMGoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMGoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 22:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;longtimerez&lt;/b&gt;: 90-95% of non-university students don&#039;t participate in DC civic life either, so i think stating that students don&#039;t, so they should be ignored, is kind of a red herring.

the census counts residents, their tenure does not matter. the fact is that more than 1/8 of the city&#039;s residents live in what is currently ward 2, so its boundaries will have to shrink. there&#039;s no debating that or trying to spin the numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>longtimerez</b>: 90-95% of non-university students don't participate in DC civic life either, so i think stating that students don't, so they should be ignored, is kind of a red herring.</p>
<p>the census counts residents, their tenure does not matter. the fact is that more than 1/8 of the city's residents live in what is currently ward 2, so its boundaries will have to shrink. there's no debating that or trying to spin the numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: LongTimeRez</title>
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		<dc:creator>LongTimeRez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@imgoph: While I think that the &quot;redistricting tool&quot; is a fun and interesting concept and has served its purpose since people are debating what ten years ago ranked right up there with discussions about lead pipe impacts on water quality, there is need for a more granular level of analysis.

IMHO, there is no need to redistrict, particularly in Ward 2, because the population boom is largely an artifact of the 70,000+ private university undergraduate students--90-95% of whom don&#039;t participate in DC civic life--moving in and out of DC twice a year. My voting precinct, for example, is home to 3500+ college students and had the lowest voter turnout in the city for the last two elections.

If Alma Gates were an elected or public official, or a journalist, I would agree that her comments should be more circumspect, but she&#039;s not.

Much more troubling to me is Ms. DePillis&#039; choice--one she has made several times in the recent past--of taking a lazy, inflammatory potshot at the C-100 rather than digging in and researching the important issues,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@imgoph: While I think that the "redistricting tool" is a fun and interesting concept and has served its purpose since people are debating what ten years ago ranked right up there with discussions about lead pipe impacts on water quality, there is need for a more granular level of analysis.</p>
<p>IMHO, there is no need to redistrict, particularly in Ward 2, because the population boom is largely an artifact of the 70,000+ private university undergraduate students--90-95% of whom don't participate in DC civic life--moving in and out of DC twice a year. My voting precinct, for example, is home to 3500+ college students and had the lowest voter turnout in the city for the last two elections.</p>
<p>If Alma Gates were an elected or public official, or a journalist, I would agree that her comments should be more circumspect, but she's not.</p>
<p>Much more troubling to me is Ms. DePillis' choice--one she has made several times in the recent past--of taking a lazy, inflammatory potshot at the C-100 rather than digging in and researching the important issues,</p>
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		<title>By: IMGoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMGoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;longtimerez&lt;/b&gt;: as a temporary census employee, you&#039;re aware that the number of census blocks in the city is exponentially higher than the number of tracts, correct? that would have made the creation of an application at that level exponentially more difficult.

the law says that the wards are to follow census tracts as much as possible. with that in mind, we figured tracts would make more sense to use, not just for simplicity, but because it made sense to attempt to adhere to the law.

whether gates was speaking for the cmte of 100 or not is somewhat irrelevant. as a public figure, you have to think that what you say has the potential to reflect on groups you represent, whether on or off the clock. especially when you&#039;re commenting on a topic that is in the wheelhouse of said organization.

additionally, she chose to be somewhat nasty towards &quot;bloggers,&quot; and david alpert in particular. it was unnecessary and personal the way she handled it. if she feels bad about the negative attention she&#039;s received in return, perhaps she&#039;s learned a valuable lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>longtimerez</b>: as a temporary census employee, you're aware that the number of census blocks in the city is exponentially higher than the number of tracts, correct? that would have made the creation of an application at that level exponentially more difficult.</p>
<p>the law says that the wards are to follow census tracts as much as possible. with that in mind, we figured tracts would make more sense to use, not just for simplicity, but because it made sense to attempt to adhere to the law.</p>
<p>whether gates was speaking for the cmte of 100 or not is somewhat irrelevant. as a public figure, you have to think that what you say has the potential to reflect on groups you represent, whether on or off the clock. especially when you're commenting on a topic that is in the wheelhouse of said organization.</p>
<p>additionally, she chose to be somewhat nasty towards "bloggers," and david alpert in particular. it was unnecessary and personal the way she handled it. if she feels bad about the negative attention she's received in return, perhaps she's learned a valuable lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: LongTimeRez</title>
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		<dc:creator>LongTimeRez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, the only one referencing Alma Gates&#039; involvement with the C-100 was you. She did not claim to be speaking--nor was she authorized to speak--for the organization in her comment as a private citizen on the Palisades listserv.

If you had spent a bit of time reading the responses to Gates&#039; post--rather than &quot;gerrymandering&quot; her words to suit your own purposes--you would have seen that everyone disagreed with her about David Alpert&#039;s tool and its usefulness.

Regarding the redistricting tool, IMHO it would be much more useful at a census block level. As I posted on a Georgetown Dish article about &quot;G&#039;town&#039;s Population Boom,&quot; most of the population increase is GU students, which were undercounted (and considerably fewer in number) in 2000. (http://www.georgetowndish.com/thedish/georgetown%E2%80%99s-population-didn%E2%80%99t-boom-much-afterall#comments) To an even greater degree, a similar situation has occurred with GWU.

For five months in 2010, I was a Crew Leader supervising a total of 30 Enumerators and we covered parts of Census tracts all over the city, including Georgetown, American University Park, Southwest, and Capitol Hill.

We discovered many of the new condos in Lower G&#039;town are second (or third) homes, and while DC gets the property tax benefits, it doesn&#039;t get to count folks residing there as part of the DC population--forgoing federal matching payments and income tax revenue from them. 

Prior to our May 1st start (Non-Response Follow Up--NRFU--or nar-foo), there was a huge push to enumerate all of the college students living in DC on April 1st, 2010, to assure that DC would receive the benefit of Federal matching payments for each warm body. Although federal payments are simply transfers of federal tax dollars to DC coffers, this shell game provides a fig leaf of justification for the massive subsidies these non-profit educational behemoths receive from DC in forgone property taxes.

This is why a &quot;block map game&quot; of the statistics is crucial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, the only one referencing Alma Gates' involvement with the C-100 was you. She did not claim to be speaking--nor was she authorized to speak--for the organization in her comment as a private citizen on the Palisades listserv.</p>
<p>If you had spent a bit of time reading the responses to Gates' post--rather than "gerrymandering" her words to suit your own purposes--you would have seen that everyone disagreed with her about David Alpert's tool and its usefulness.</p>
<p>Regarding the redistricting tool, IMHO it would be much more useful at a census block level. As I posted on a Georgetown Dish article about "G'town's Population Boom," most of the population increase is GU students, which were undercounted (and considerably fewer in number) in 2000. (<a href="http://www.georgetowndish.com/thedish/georgetown%E2%80%99s-population-didn%E2%80%99t-boom-much-afterall#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.georgetowndish.com/thedish/georgetown%E2%80%99s-population-didn%E2%80%99t-boom-much-afterall#comments</a>) To an even greater degree, a similar situation has occurred with GWU.</p>
<p>For five months in 2010, I was a Crew Leader supervising a total of 30 Enumerators and we covered parts of Census tracts all over the city, including Georgetown, American University Park, Southwest, and Capitol Hill.</p>
<p>We discovered many of the new condos in Lower G'town are second (or third) homes, and while DC gets the property tax benefits, it doesn't get to count folks residing there as part of the DC population--forgoing federal matching payments and income tax revenue from them. </p>
<p>Prior to our May 1st start (Non-Response Follow Up--NRFU--or nar-foo), there was a huge push to enumerate all of the college students living in DC on April 1st, 2010, to assure that DC would receive the benefit of Federal matching payments for each warm body. Although federal payments are simply transfers of federal tax dollars to DC coffers, this shell game provides a fig leaf of justification for the massive subsidies these non-profit educational behemoths receive from DC in forgone property taxes.</p>
<p>This is why a "block map game" of the statistics is crucial.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redistricting can have major impacts on a community when census tracks are used to redraw neighborhoods and other boundaries as was done on U Street after the SW corner of 14th &amp; U was moved from Ward 1 to Ward 2 - Dupont in the last redistricting.

As a result we now have the southside of U Street right across from the 3D police headquarters, reporting to Georgetown and an entire blog &quot;Borderstan&quot; and associated neighborhood identity were created to overcome the artificial boundaries that were made to conform to the census tracks.

That said, I really want to thank David for putting this tool for examining the options out into the public, so they can see what goes on at the committee level sooner than later.  We did not have enough time in 2000 to let the public know about the impacts of the Ward change last time, so Ward 1 lost part of U Street, and kept part of Woodley Park west of Rock Creek Park, which immediately opted out of Ward 1, to be represented by a Ward 3 ANC.  

As a member of a Ward taskforce in 2000.   We cut out pieces of paper and had to do calculations on the fly to balance the SMD&#039;s.  This tool will be extremely useful for both the Ward and Citywide taskforces to be able to use to visualize the impacts of these decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redistricting can have major impacts on a community when census tracks are used to redraw neighborhoods and other boundaries as was done on U Street after the SW corner of 14th &amp; U was moved from Ward 1 to Ward 2 - Dupont in the last redistricting.</p>
<p>As a result we now have the southside of U Street right across from the 3D police headquarters, reporting to Georgetown and an entire blog "Borderstan" and associated neighborhood identity were created to overcome the artificial boundaries that were made to conform to the census tracks.</p>
<p>That said, I really want to thank David for putting this tool for examining the options out into the public, so they can see what goes on at the committee level sooner than later.  We did not have enough time in 2000 to let the public know about the impacts of the Ward change last time, so Ward 1 lost part of U Street, and kept part of Woodley Park west of Rock Creek Park, which immediately opted out of Ward 1, to be represented by a Ward 3 ANC.  </p>
<p>As a member of a Ward taskforce in 2000.   We cut out pieces of paper and had to do calculations on the fly to balance the SMD's.  This tool will be extremely useful for both the Ward and Citywide taskforces to be able to use to visualize the impacts of these decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Smoke_Jaguar4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smoke_Jaguar4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I propose we nominate David Alpert for the C100&#039;s Vision Award:
http://www.committeeof100.net/Vision-Awards/2011-vision-awards-now-being-accepted.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose we nominate David Alpert for the C100's Vision Award:<br />
<a href="http://www.committeeof100.net/Vision-Awards/2011-vision-awards-now-being-accepted.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.committeeof100.net/Vision-Awards/2011-vision-awards-now-being-accepted.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: U Street resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>U Street resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, you don&#039;t have to be young to be disgusted by the Committee of 100. They should be ashamed of themselves. Or they should start shedding people like the one who made these statements that were so dismissive of activists who are broadening participation through hard work and creativity. 

Bravo to David Alpert and shame on Alma Gates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, you don't have to be young to be disgusted by the Committee of 100. They should be ashamed of themselves. Or they should start shedding people like the one who made these statements that were so dismissive of activists who are broadening participation through hard work and creativity. </p>
<p>Bravo to David Alpert and shame on Alma Gates.</p>
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