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	<title>Comments on: Election Reverb! Preservationists and Planners &#8220;Jubilant&#8221; About Gray</title>
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		<title>By: Vincent Gray is a very tough character &#171; D2 route</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent Gray is a very tough character &#171; D2 route</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ellen McCarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Downtown Rez &quot;Some would say that, not all.
In the spectrum of proponents, it’s fair to say she’s less enthusiastic than Tregoning or Alpert.&quot;


Hogwash!  I&#039;ll put my Smart Growth credentials up against anyone&#039;s!  Let&#039;s start with 1988-1991 -- you wouldn&#039;t even BE a downtown rez if a very small group of us, including preservationists like Sally Berk and Steve Callcott, had not fought (and I mean FOUGHT) a two year battle against virtually the entire development community and most of their zoning law firms to get the zoning overlay in place that requires Downtown housing, arts and retail, as well as preservation. It also substantially increased density.  And Tersh Boasberg, a major preservationist, was the deciding vote on the Zoning Commission.

Then try reading the new Comprehensive Plan (subtitled Growing an Inclusive City), and look at the Smart Growth zoning that the Office of Planning put in place when I was there, for areas like The Yards and the Ballpark District, or look at the numerous PUD&#039;s that OP supported that were huge fights with NIMBYs.  Lastly, I&#039;ll just mention the scars from fighting the NIMBY&#039;s for the Upper Wisconsin Avenue Corridor Study.

Please know your facts before you cast aspersions.

And while I&#039;m at it, let me say that the notion that preservation is inconsistent with economic development and smart growth is just wrong-headed.  Which is not to say that there aren&#039;t several who have tried to use historic preservation arguments when what they were really trying to do is stop a project.  But all you have to do is look at the area of Downtown from 11th to 6th and D to Eye, and you see many projects that have preserved historic buildings, (sometimes just facades, true), incorporating them into high-rise buildings, that, by virtue of the historic buildings at street level, have created a vibrance and quality of place that is extraordinary, and also extremely successful economically.  Some examples include:  Karchem&#039;s Gallup Building/Masonic Temple, Jemal&#039;s Atlantic Building, Jemal&#039;s Ventana, Gund&#039;s The Lansburgh&#039;s, JPI&#039;s Square 457, Carr&#039;s Terrell Place, and I could go on. In addition, special merit conditions, under our Historic Preservation Law, many of which I personally participated in, gave us the E Street Cinemas, housing at 7th and E, below-market artists&#039; studios in the 900 block of E and F Streets, and a requirement for a club or live entertainment space in the old 9:30 club space.  Really Smart Growth is more than density -- it is creating intensity AND a sense of place, and preservation can play an important role in that process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Downtown Rez "Some would say that, not all.<br />
In the spectrum of proponents, it’s fair to say she’s less enthusiastic than Tregoning or Alpert."</p>
<p>Hogwash!  I'll put my Smart Growth credentials up against anyone's!  Let's start with 1988-1991 -- you wouldn't even BE a downtown rez if a very small group of us, including preservationists like Sally Berk and Steve Callcott, had not fought (and I mean FOUGHT) a two year battle against virtually the entire development community and most of their zoning law firms to get the zoning overlay in place that requires Downtown housing, arts and retail, as well as preservation. It also substantially increased density.  And Tersh Boasberg, a major preservationist, was the deciding vote on the Zoning Commission.</p>
<p>Then try reading the new Comprehensive Plan (subtitled Growing an Inclusive City), and look at the Smart Growth zoning that the Office of Planning put in place when I was there, for areas like The Yards and the Ballpark District, or look at the numerous PUD's that OP supported that were huge fights with NIMBYs.  Lastly, I'll just mention the scars from fighting the NIMBY's for the Upper Wisconsin Avenue Corridor Study.</p>
<p>Please know your facts before you cast aspersions.</p>
<p>And while I'm at it, let me say that the notion that preservation is inconsistent with economic development and smart growth is just wrong-headed.  Which is not to say that there aren't several who have tried to use historic preservation arguments when what they were really trying to do is stop a project.  But all you have to do is look at the area of Downtown from 11th to 6th and D to Eye, and you see many projects that have preserved historic buildings, (sometimes just facades, true), incorporating them into high-rise buildings, that, by virtue of the historic buildings at street level, have created a vibrance and quality of place that is extraordinary, and also extremely successful economically.  Some examples include:  Karchem's Gallup Building/Masonic Temple, Jemal's Atlantic Building, Jemal's Ventana, Gund's The Lansburgh's, JPI's Square 457, Carr's Terrell Place, and I could go on. In addition, special merit conditions, under our Historic Preservation Law, many of which I personally participated in, gave us the E Street Cinemas, housing at 7th and E, below-market artists' studios in the 900 block of E and F Streets, and a requirement for a club or live entertainment space in the old 9:30 club space.  Really Smart Growth is more than density -- it is creating intensity AND a sense of place, and preservation can play an important role in that process.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThomDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally Berk is a fraud, who cares what she thinks? &#039;Point person&quot;, what does that mean? She needs cute language to make up for what she lacks in credentials.
It is always great fun to see her smacked down by actual experts with experience and credentials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally Berk is a fraud, who cares what she thinks? 'Point person", what does that mean? She needs cute language to make up for what she lacks in credentials.<br />
It is always great fun to see her smacked down by actual experts with experience and credentials.</p>
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		<title>By: LOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say this again.  Lydia, you really know how to use this platform.  I always find you to be very responsive to your reader&#039;s input and your writing reflects that you are always open to learning and writing more about housing in this city.  Keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say this again.  Lydia, you really know how to use this platform.  I always find you to be very responsive to your reader's input and your writing reflects that you are always open to learning and writing more about housing in this city.  Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Lydia DePillis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lydia DePillis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sally - Whoops, apologies, it&#039;s fixed now. 

Best, 

Lydia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sally - Whoops, apologies, it's fixed now. </p>
<p>Best, </p>
<p>Lydia</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 04:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note Sally cute language. She knows full well that smart growth has a certain meaning. You have to love disingenuous NIMBYs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note Sally cute language. She knows full well that smart growth has a certain meaning. You have to love disingenuous NIMBYs.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Berk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally Berk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s.  Every one of the planners and preservationists on the host committee is in favor of growth that is smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s.  Every one of the planners and preservationists on the host committee is in favor of growth that is smart.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Berk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally Berk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lydia, Thanks for accurately reporting on my feelings toward Gray.  However, there is an inaccurancy in your article.  The Victory Feast for Gray that will be at my house, will not be this Friday, but on Thursday, September 30, 6:00-8:30.  If you would issue an erratum, I would be grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lydia, Thanks for accurately reporting on my feelings toward Gray.  However, there is an inaccurancy in your article.  The Victory Feast for Gray that will be at my house, will not be this Friday, but on Thursday, September 30, 6:00-8:30.  If you would issue an erratum, I would be grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: downtown rez</title>
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		<dc:creator>downtown rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Progressives take note:
At the very &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; best you are fighting to hold the line.
drez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progressives take note:<br />
At the very <b>very</b> best you are fighting to hold the line.<br />
drez</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;list above is&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"list above is"</p>
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