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Councilmembers Dig in Heels on Catholic Threat

Councilmembers!

Council Chair Vincent Gray, and Council Members Mendelson and Evans

It doesn't look like the Catholic Archdiocese is going to be winning this battle.

Yesterday, the Washington Post reported that the Catholic Archdiocese had issued an ultimatum to the D.C. Council:  If you require us to extend same-sex marriage benefits to gay couples, we'll stop running city-contracted social service programs. These programs include many homeless shelters, in addition to adoption and health care support. (This entire issue is, of course, contingent on the District's same-sex marriage bill passing, which it is expected to next month.)

In the last two days (day 1, day 2), the Post has gathered a number of reactions from D.C. Councilmembers suggesting they're not ready to give in and allow city money to be used to discriminate against gay couples.

  • Ward 1 Councilmember Jim Graham had originally hoped to reach a compromise with the church, but has since altered his stance after "reviewing same-sex marriage laws in New Hampshire, Connecticut and Vermont," where the Church has not abandoned social services.

  • D.C. Council Chairman Vincent C. Gray (D)  can't imagine "'where the compromise would be: It seems to me if they choose not to provide those services, we will have to find someone else,' Gray said."
  • Ward 5 Council member Harry Thomas said "the Church, which has tax-exempt property and often interacts with the city government, should be wary of picking a fight."
  • "'They don't represent, in my mind, an indispensable component of our social services infrastructure,' said David Catania, the sponsor of the same-sex marriage bill and the chairman of the Health Committee."
  • "Council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), chairman of the judiciary committee, said the council 'will not legislate based on threats.'"
  • Ward 3 Councilmember Mary Cheh "said she hopes the Catholic Church will reconsider its stance. 'Are they really going to harm people because they have a philosophical disagreement with us on one issue.'"

Image by Darrow Montgomery

Comments

  1. #1

    so let's see - the Catholic Church would rather let people freeze and starve to death than to treat Gays with human dignity

  2. #2

    guess where "his holiness" is going to end up? it's not going to be cold joan. they keep forgetting about that whole "new testament" thing. the celibate know nothing of loving their neighbors.

  3. #3

    I think the basic premise of the Post's story requires clarification. The premise of today's story was that the Catholic Church was threatening to cease to provide charitable services if the law legalizing gay marriage is passed. In point of fact, it is the DC government that would cease to license or contract with the Church unless the Church conformed to a definition of marriage that violates its faith tradition. Without a set of broader legal exemptions allowing for the Church to remain faithful to its definition of marriage, it will cease to be permitted by the City to provide the contracted and licensed services that it has for well over a century. The Church's fundamental desire in this controversy is to continue its desire and freedom to serve.

  4. #4

    Joe, you royal dumbass. The Catholic Church is the one offering the ultimatum. It is requiring an exemption from a rule of law. It already has an exemption from the rule of law- it doesn't get taxed. Now, pick one or get the fuck out. Simple son.

  5. #5

    Joe..Like most blind assholes who follow Benthedick/pope/nazi war hero..you are totally in the dark.. like I told one of your co-idiots this.. sunday when you go to mass and the priest dujour shoves a wafer down your throat..I hope it gets stuck and you choke. The catholic pedifile mafia should pay taxes. NUFF SAID.

  6. #6

    GO JOE!

    Government does not have the right to limit the free exercise of religion. The Founders, flawed as they were, wrote the Constitution with the foundational assumption that the nation would have to be be religious (Christian) in order to make it work. Some even stated it explicitly after the writing of the Constitution. I think it was later that the term Judeo-Christian came into use. The point is, the Constitution was written for a people who raised up the 10 Commandments as the standard by which we ought to live. We haven't lived it perfectly in the entire nations history. In fact, it seems each generation finds a horrible violation of one of those 10 Commandments as something to be promoted, and the violation is invariably an attack on the dignity of the human person. First was slavery and the failure to pursue integration of native tribes. Now we have state sponsored genocide and the promotion of self-destructive sexual behaviors of EVERY kind imaginable. So before people start bashing the Church for intolerance, they ought to consider how they perform acts against themselves and others, and therefore promote the self-destructive acts of others that may be particularly different but generally the same. When you become tolerant, accepting and supportive of the bad, YOU BECOME INTOLERANT OF THE GOOD. Please, tell me how same-sex activity, especially amongst men, is so very health to body, heart, mind and spirit. If American society had any continuity, we'd realize that homosexual activity was labeled a disorder until the early 70s for a reason: it was understood to be behavior indicative of a profoundly deep wounded emotionality than required healing, not drowning in same-sex acts. But then the issue was POLITICIZED and the truth suppressed, like so many issues have been, in our now nearly-totalitarian and utterly immoral and pagan society.

    The Rule of Law established by the Founders was derived from Natural Law. Representative democracy (not full democracy) was the means to choose authorities, not form the body of law. We are a republic based on Natural Law. So . . . YOU get out. Go to China or Russia or one of those other compassionate countries you are so desirously attempting to establish here.

    To the "Proud Satanist:" your master may appear to be winning in his erection of his "kingdom" on earth, but the True Throne has already been claimed and the full manifestation of the Kingdom of the True and Worthy Lord will wipe away every false hope you, your comrades, and your false god ever boasted. In the end, you will come face to face with the God you hate so much, and you will be in his power. Forsake the despair and find the True God, dude/ette!

  7. #7

    I hope the Roman Catholic Church does pull out from public services in DC, especially those involving children. It will keep a lot of DC children from being molested by priests.

    Any member of the DC City Council who caves to the Catholic clergy on this one is deliberately endorsing child molestation.

  8. #8

    SHARKMAN<<<<< official fluffer of the Arh. of Dc. Apparently you still love the priests who molested children for centuries. The sickness that runs through that institution is one of the most shameful chapters known to man. The greed..the rape of the poor. I bet if you go to any local catholic house of horrors their is at least one poor child being defiled now..if there is a hell...then they better serve fish on fridays.

  9. #9

    This is what you get when you rely on a religious organization to provide basic government services. Shame on the Church, but first shame on DC.

  10. One of those taxpayers
    #10

    The Church is taking taxpayer money - and the head of Catholic Charities gets a handsome six figure salary - to provide social services. And the District pays the lion's share of all Catholic Charities expenses, including that salary (money is fungible, you know).

    There is nothing to stop the Church from continuing to provide these services with its own money.

    But if they wish to continue taking the money I pay in taxes, they might want to stop with the ultimatums and get with the program.

    Taxes aren't voluntary. We shouldn't be forcing gay DC taxpayers to pay to be discriminated against. Nor anyone else, for that matter.

  11. #11

    Sharkman, you have head head where the sun doesn't shine.

    The Founding Fathers set up the wall between Church and State for many clear and obvious reasons.

    The rebelled against Britain, whose coinage contained the phrase "Dei Gratia." They were told King George III ruled them "by grace of God," and to rebel against him was to sin against God.

    The various colonies had settlers of different religions. Pennsylvania was founded by Quakers, Maryland by Catholics, Massachusetts by Puritans, etc;

    Their experience with Britain and the Anglican Church and the reality of multiple religions within the colonies led them to understand that the only way to unite such a fractious bunch was to keep faith out of politics.

    That's why the Masonic overall belief in God - but respecting all religions - was so in vogue among the founders.

    And need I remind you that Jefferson's tombstone at Monticello mentions his achievement of being author of the Virginia Commonwealth law regarding separation of Church and State.

    This myth about America being founded as a Christian nation is just that. The founders rebelled against an established Christian church, and a good number of them were so sick of the Anglicans that they gave up on organized religion completely. And the religious majority decided to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

  12. #12

    WHY WOULD AN ORGANIZATION WHO HAS HAD TROUBLE WITH GAY MEN IN THEIR FOLD, WHO WAS MESSING WITH YOUNG BOYS (POSSIBLY TURNING THEM INTO GAY MEN) WOULD BE SUCH A HARDLINER ON THE GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE? I HAVENT FIGURED THAT ONE OUT YET!

    SEEMS TO ME THEY WOULD STEER CLEAR FROM THIS TO NOT BRING MORE ATTENTION ON THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THE MOLESTATION ISSUE LET ALONE GAY PREISTS.

    THIS WHOLE ISSUE STINKS!

    I BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE SHIFT! THERE ARE CERTAIN FOLKS WHO WANT THIS CITY TO BECOME MORE GAY, WHITE AND EXPENSIVE! SO THEY CAN STAY IN POWER AND CONTINUE TO MAKE LAWS THAT WOULD ONLY BENEFIT CERTAIN KINDS OF FOLK!

    IT IS MY BELIEF THAT FENTY HAS BEEN BOUGHT OUT BY THE COCKSUCKERS! LEADING THE WAY IS GAYTANIA! I STATED THIS BEFORE THAT THOSE TWO ARE LIKE MOSCONE AND MILK. THEY WANT TO CORNER THE MARKET. HERE IS THERE PLAN-PASS GAY MARRIAGE BILL, HAVE MONEY MAKIN GAYS FLOCK TO CITY, DRIVE OUT UNDERCLASS SO THEY CAN STAY IN CONTROL AS LONG AS THEY GOT THE MONEY AND VOTES IN THEIR CORNER! IF YALL CANT SEE THAT YOU NEED TO GET YOUR EYES CHECKED!

    ITS NOT A FLUKE THAT FENTY WAS IN SAN FRAN RECENTLY RAISING MONEY FROM SAN FRANS ELITE, TO CONFER WITH MAYOR NEWSOME AND TO MAKE WAY FOR THE FAGAYLAS TO COME EAST!

    YALL HAVE TO REALIZE FENTY IS NOT A TRUE BLACK MAN! HE REALLY DONT CARE ABOUT BLACKS AS A CONSTITUANTY. HE DOESNT UPHOLD THE TRUE BLACKMAN THANG BECAUSE HIS MAMA WHITE AND HIS DADDY IS OF ISLAND DESCENT. HE WENT TO OBERLIN COLLEGE (PROGRESSIVELY LIBERAL) THEY WERE ONE OF THE FIRST SCHOOLS TO ALLOW BLACKS AND WOMEN TO ATTEND. IM SURE GAYS WERE THERE TO0 BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE A SEPERATE DORM FOR TRANSGENDERS. SO THIS DUDE HAVE BEEN AROUND GAYS FOR YEARS. LET ALONE BELONGING TO A GAY FRAT (KAPPA ALPHA PSI) THEY ARE KNOWN FOR THEIR MEMBERS TO BE OPENLY GAY.

    FOLKS WE NEED TO STOP THEM!

    VOTE OUT FENTY AND GAYTANIA TO SAVE OUR CITY!
    ITS A MUST!

  13. #13

    Why vote out David Cantina???? He s the one being very vocal against that charade of a christian institution!

  14. #14

    VOTE OUT GAYTANIA BECAUSE HE IS A WHITE, BLATENT HOMOSEXUAL AND FROM HIS TONE HE WANTS THE CITY TO BECOME THAT WAY.

    HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE!
    YOU ARE NOT BORN A HOMOSEXUAL!

  15. #15

    ...yea make everyone gay!!!!! Um whats the other choices Mr.NOODLEZ? ? SHould we be all those dead beat black daddies over across the river fucking everything in the project and not paying child support? ...or maybe we should be all those black daddies over across the river(cause we all know every black mans got at least 2 kids on the side most likey with one of your wifes sisters..or a cousin...or a aunt) living off the goverment because their afraid to work(Day labor doest count when your sole desire is to spend it all on some cheap vodka,a few cans of 211 and a pack of Newports)?..or maybe we should be one of those black daddies living accross the river who would blow the brains out of one their hommies over a bad crack deal or a bad game of craps?. at last but not least maybe we should be one of those black daddies who USED to live across the river but now to some very bad mistakes now RESIDE on this side of the river in the D.C. jail? Well theres to many choices in life Mr. NOODLEZ....but I tell you one thing.. Ive loved suckin dick since I can rememeber so I dont think thats a choice because Ive never had a desire for pussy. But some black daddy who has 15 kids, gets a check from the gov. Lets his babbies momma's split up his food stamp card ever first of the month..and the goes and shoots his hommie in the face over a rock...well those do seem like choices to me. DAVID CANTINA FOR MAYOR 2010!!!!!

  16. #16

    Gay racist vs black homophobe. Who will win?

    Answer: the Republican Party. Good work, dipshits.

  17. #17

    Hey Aleu...Im just playing into the stereotypes.Im sure Mr.NOODLEZ is an upstanding citizen with none of the faults I mentioned above..I just figured fight stupidity with stupidity..and on that note some poor9 year old kid was shot and killed over in Columbia Heights about 40 min ago..makes everything else seem stupid.

  18. #18

    The Catholic Church should give up government contracts. It shouldn't have agreed to them in the first place.It should minister to its' members. Any services it provides to non members should be part of its' mission to minister to the needy at its' expense.Not only the Catholic Church but all the religious operations in the city should not have government contracts.

  19. #19

    Wow..

  20. #20

    It's not as if the Catholic Church is saying "we won't help the homeless if DC government decides to recognize gay marriages." In fact, DC government is saying "we'll take your social service contracts away if you don't provide equal access to your other facilities." DC govt is the one issuing ultimatums/making threats. The Catholic Church is just responding by saying that pressuring them in this way won't change their position.

    That said, I sure as hell wouldn't outsource social services to any Church unless they were provided on a non-discriminatory basis -- adoption seems like the big issue here. If Catholic Charities discriminates against gay couples (or individuals) in making adoption decisions, then Catholic Charities shouldn't be making adoption decisions.

  21. #21

    HEY JAY STOP WATCHING THE NEWS FOR ALL YOUR INFO!

    ALSO, STOP SUCKING SO MUCH COCK! YOUR BRAIN CANT FUNCTION FROM ALL THE BACK AND FORTH!

    IM A NATIVE WASHINGTONIAN AND I WANT MY CITY MAKE-UP TO REMAIN JUST THE WAY IT IS!

    I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE MAKE CHOICES IN THEIR LIFE GOOD AND BAD. THOSE PEOPLE YOU SPOKE OF KNOW THEY MAKE WRONG CHOICES SOMETIMES AND THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.

    BUT DONT TELL ME THE CHOICES YOU FAGGGS MAKE WAS SOMEHOW MIRACULOUSLY PUT IN YOUR BRAIN THE DAY YOU WAS BORN AND THEN TURN AROUND AND CLAIM YOU DESERVE SOME RIGHTS CAUSE YOU HAVE SEX WITH MEN. THAT IS THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF BULL SHIT I EVER HEARD. WHAT KILLS ME IS THE PUNK ASS POLITICIANS LIKE FENTY GETS BOUGHT OUT BY ALL YOU COCKSUCKERS AFTER HE PARADED AROUND LIKE HE A BROTHER.
    THIS BITCH IS ACTUALLY "Clayton Bigsby"!

  22. #22

    Wow - ok, what is wrong with you noodlez? If I took your previous posts, and put racial epithets in the place of your homophobic slurs, and then made you into a white, KKK, good-ole-boy in Mississippi 30 yrs ago (or even today), it would sound authentic. Was it ok that they were so brutal because they were afraid of what they didn't (or couldn't) understand? I mean, they looked at people of "color" as a different species. Was that ok?!
    Why are you so filled with hate? Do we have to do this? Just STOP - for a moment, take off the glasses and realize that people are just trying to live their lives in peace. Don't we all just want to live, be happy and laugh with our loved ones and contribute something meaningful to this world that will make it a better place?
    Gay people don't want to hurt you, or ruin your marriage, or change your way of life, etc. Look inside yourself - these angry words you're aiming at gay people - are they REALLY who you are angry at? Why? What have they done to you?
    It is easy to fear and hate the unknown. It is easy to demonize in your mind something you don't understand and that has no human face for you. But remember, every gay person has a mother and father, sister's and brother's, friend's and coworkers. You are sending a message out that hurts not just gay people, but everyone that loves someone who is gay.
    The words you use are so common and crass - cocksuckers, fags, etc. Aren't human beings better than that? Aren't YOU better than that? While you have every right to disagree with gay marriage, isn't there a better way to discuss your reasoning and position? Because as it stands right now, your reasons are prejudice and hate. No foundation, no reasoned explanation. Just insults and hate flung into cyberspace, without any real basis that you've been able to provide.
    So, what I'm asking you to do is, SELL ME - Tell me why you're right. Tell me why this will ruin marriage. Tell me the evidence you've seen that this is a choice. This is your chance to win over a huge number of people to your position - so do it using reason, logic and skill vs. fear, slurs, rhetoric and hate.
    I'm all ears.....

  23. #23

    Mer- Noodlez is mad because he has a limp noodle. The only thing that turns him on is thinking of men having sex with each other. Dr. Phil says that people like Noodlez are simply projecting their anger on others because of their own internal fears. In this case, Noodlez is sacred that he is a homosexual and he feels the need to lash out.

    Dr. Phil also says that men who use such strong descriptions of homosexual acts are in fact "dealing" with their describes by visualizing it. Noodlez happens to mirror his true desires under his hate-filled rant.

    On the next Dr. Phil- A deeper analysis on why chimpanzees enjoy baking cookies made of pooh.

  24. #24

    Oh leave Mr Noodlez alone...Ive already said I was sorry for lumping him in the same catagory has his urban brothers. As for the make-up of this city I hope its not the black daddy thing. And as for sucking to much cock...Im a balding 43 year old man with a pouch..sadly dick doesnt come my way that often any more so when the odd cock does present itself....:) Oh Mr Noodlez I bet if you and I were together back in the day(circa 1992) we would have cut a path together from the upper floors of Rascals to the gloryholes of SW(I know Im tearing up too) we could have been a act at Zigfields...and I would have stood beside you like any good girlfriend does and wept ( "Wind beneath my wings" is playing in the background) as you accepted your crown and sash as Miss Gay Internaional, America,East Coast, Washington DC.......Everyone together now....." hiiiiiigh so High I almost touch the sky ....:)

  25. #25

    Oh Miss Noodlez.. and grab some of that old KY you have laying around and apply some to the cap key!

  26. #26

    EXCUSE ME PUNKS FOR BEING SO CRASS! CHARGE IT TO MY HEAD NOT MY HEART!

    WHILE MOST OF MY ANGER IS DIRECTED AT GAYTANIA AND FENTY & CO. THE PUNKS WHO GOT OFFENDED JUST HAPPEN TO CATCH SOME FRIENDLY FIRE! YOU WERE FINE AS LONG AS YOU WERE INVISABLE! NOW YOU ARE A MAJOR ANNOYANCE.

    ITS PEOPLE LIKE mer THAT MAKES ME SAY THE THINGS ABOUT YOU COCKSUCKERS (THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE). DONT DARE COMPARE THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT TO YOUR LITTLE CAUSE. BLACKS AND HOMOSEXUALS ARE AT OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. YES THERE ARE BLACK HOMOSEXUALS. AND THEY ARE TOTALY WEAK MINDED BECAUSE THEY PLAY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE (IF YOU GOING TO BE A HOMO BE A HOMO)AND IN DOING SO SPREAD DISEASE AND LOW SELF ESTEEM AMONG MY BLACK QUEENS WHO NOW DONT TRUST ANY MAN WHO COMES THEIR WAY.

    IM A MAN! IM A BLACK MAN! IM A NATIVE WASHINGTONIAN WHO GREW UP WITH AND ARE FRIENDS WITH KILLERS, DRUG PUSHERS AND GAMBLERS. I DO NOT HAVE ANY PERSONAL FEARS. THEY WERE SAPPED OUTTA MY BEING LONG AGO!

    THE ONLY FEAR I DO HAVE IS DYING TO EARLY SO THAT I DONT FINISH RAISING MY TWO CHILDREN. TO PROTECT THEM FROM THINGS LIKE YA'LL. I DONT HATE FAGGS I JUST DONT WANT THEM MAKING POLITCAL DECISIONS! EVERY MOVE THAT THEY MAKE IS GAY RELATED! I KNOW HOMOSEXUALS PERSONALLY OF EVERY KIND WHITE, BLACK, LATINO, FLAMING AND UNDERCOVER. I WOULD NOT CALL THEM FRIENDS BUT THEY ARE OKAY WITH ME AS LONG AS THEY DONT DO THAT GAY SHIT AROUND ME LIKE LOOKING AT MEN AND MAKING COMMENTS. WE DEBATE ALL THE TIME! KNOCK DOWN DRAG OUT DEBATES. WE AGREE TO DISAGREE AT EVERY TURN. THEY KNOW MY STANCE AND THEY RESPECT MY POSITION. WE CALL EACH OTHER NAMES AND SUCH BUT IN THE END WE ARE HARD LINERS IN OUR POSITIONS SO IT IS NOT A MATTER OF TRYING TO CONVINCE EACH OTHER BUT A MEANS OF VENTING.

    ALSO, I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM THE LESZIES ITS THE BUTT PLUGGERS AND PLUGEES I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. THATS A WHOLE OTHER DEBATE!

    HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE!
    YOU ARE NOT BORN A HOMOSEXUAL!
    NO TO GAY MARRIAGE IN WASHINGTON, DC!

    FENTY, GAYTANIA, AND GRAHAM MUST GO!

  27. #27

    Noodlez- tone down the caps bitch. We know you're hidden gay desires have you revved up, but jeez, it's hurting my eyes reading your stupid comments. I thought it would be a boring day but bashing on your stupid ass is going to be fun.

    First of all, I'm sorry that you're black. I'm happy to be black and won't have like to be born any other way. You do nothing to advance your argument because you still perpetuate the same stereotypes of the angry black male. You're fearful of others because of what they choose to do in their bedrooms. Well, not too long ago, your momma couldn't suck any dick she wanted either. She was discrimated against from blowing white dudes because of a law that outlawed interracial marriages. I'm sure she sucked a mean white cock or seventy regardless, but my point was that she legally was not allowed to. Regardless of if you believe homosexually is a choice; discrimination is still discrimination. Being Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, or neurotic, is a choice, while some others argue differently.

    You hating gays doesn't advance the cause of promoting healthy marriages in the District. In fact, mamma noodlez wasn't even married when she had you.

    So, from one gangsta black bigot to another, go fuck yourself, you worthless tard.

  28. #28

    Dear Mr Bent-me..before I can begin I can only say ..that Miz noodlez dilla boodlez would have been a great choice when the were experimenting with castration over in Germany the fact that this man was knowingly allowed to procreate....leaves me speachless!(well not really) Im sure Miz N. had a grand old time with her gang girlfriends..I can just imagine the circle jerk...what a picture that must have been..back alley, 211 cans scattered about..a few KFC boxes here and there.....AND there she is Miz Noodlez pants around her ankles in all her glory. and future little black daddies and ho's that will never be dripping out of the corner of her mouth. and as for her vision of what a black Queen looks like prob. doesnt look like I imagine..I see a beautiful woman smart and strong human being ..not like your version.>>>some bitch who was waiting in the shadows of that alley you were in sellin her pussy for some fake rock..I bet in your wedding pictures its Buckwheat and Farina...and its great you stuck around to raise "your children" ....considering the odds are that they are not yours or all black.

    Mr Noodlez its a horrible world we live in..but I do find stereotypes fun and in my mind..I think of you on the stage doing tricks for the crowds for the coins they toss at you....or sitting in front of your PC think about Bent-me and Jay.............touching yourself.

    " The Homosexual is a terrible thing to waste"

  29. #29

    Well noodlez, I guess I can fairly be called a cocksucker since I'm a woman married to a man. Still, the part of me that is a mom to a 4-yr-old daughter thinks your comments and ways of defining people are ugly and small. It scares me to think of her growing up in a world in which people with such closed minds exist.
    When I point out parallels between your vitriol and the vitriol spouted by racists idiots, you jump right into a defensive, angry place full of puffed up righteousness - "DONT DARE COMPARE THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT TO YOUR LITTLE CAUSE". Well guess what dumbass - IT'S NOT A CONTEST! If a terrible wrong has been done to one group of people, and a slightly less terrible wrong (still WRONG) is done to another group of people, are you saying only the most extreme instance counts?! If so, we'll need to start a rating system to compare the civil rights movement and it's roots with what has been done to women over the course of time (we used to be property, bought and sold, stoned to death for slight "infractions", etc; many parts of the world, this still occurs), or Jews (hello - holocaust!), etc, etc. At the end of the day, it's still wrong.
    I asked you to give me real reasons, free of slurs and full of logic and facts, to defend your position. But you didn't, and instead you spewed more of the same. This leads me to conclude that you are sadly, not a smart man. You have no ability to understand depth, feel empathy, or walk a mile in another persons shoes. Your world view is completely selfish and me-centric. You say your gay "friends" know you disagree and they respect your opinions. Oh my, I HIGHLY doubt any of those people actually respect you. In fact, I feel quite certain that any intelligent person would find you quite impossible to respect. How can a person with so little intellectual curiosity, such obviously stunted brain capacity, be someone that people respect? I for one, feel quite sorry for you.... While other people can run from the hateful, ugly bile coming out of you, you can not escape yourself. What a sad, toxic mind you are doomed to be stuck with forever...
    On an end note, I love how you say homosexuality is a choice. So by that logic, you could just as easily have decided to be gay or straight (according to what you've said, you made a "choice" to be straight). Uh oh, I think their is a little of the gayness bubbling up out of your heterosexual existence. I wonder, was it a tough choice?

  30. #30

    Wait, wait, Noodlez claims he has gay friends? I missed that one, those all-caps really are horrible. I can't imagine a gay person remaining friends with a person that actually hates his or her existence. The only reason he might be friends with gays is that he's is one of those "down low" brothers. Maury Pov this time, not Dr. Phil.

    So, the down low bros, tend to live a normal wannabe "thug" lifestyle. They full act the part as misogynistic bigots but whenever they get a chance, they sneak away to consumate their real, burning attraction to other men. This fits Noodlez perfectly. It all makes sense. It's ok Noodlez, you're among friends here, come out, come out. Hahaha.

  31. #31

    LADIES FIRST!

    TO Adrian Bent-Me: YOU EITHER DIDNT READ MY COMMENT OR YOU ARE SUFFERING FROM SHAKEN BABY SYNDROME FROM YOUR ALL HEAD BOBBING.
    LOOK MS. THANG I DONT CARE WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR BEDROOM DONT BRING IT OUTSIDE! THE VOTERS OF DC ARE THE ONES BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. MY MOMMA SUCKING DICK OR WANTING TO SUCK DICK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ARGUMENT. SEE THIS THE SHIT IM TALKING ABOUT. YOU ARE SO TYPICAL HOMO ALWAYS WANT TO COMPARE SOMEONE ELSE'S CAUSE TO YOUR PLIGHT. PLOW YOUR OWN COURSE! HOWEVER, YOU ARE RIGHT ON ONE ACCOUNT MY MOTHER WAS NOT MARRIED WHEN SHE HAD ME. I WAS RAISED BY A SINGLE MOM WHO TAUGHT ME EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT WOMEN AND TO WATCH OUT FOR GUYS LIKE YOU. SO WHILE MY MOMMA WAS GETTING A MOUTH FULL FROM THE CRACKER SHE WAS LISTENING TO HIM TO TELL HER LITTLE MAN TO WATCH OUT FOR DEVIANTS AND PERVETS LIKE YOU!

    ALSO, YOU AINT GANGSTA IF YOU ARE THE ONE SAYIN YOU A GANGSTA! CHECK YO SELF FOOL!

    TO jay: "MOMMA'S BABY-PAPA'S MAYBE" WE MEN WILL NEVER KNOW IF THE CHILDREN ARE OURS. WE CAN ONLY GO BY LOOKS OR DNA. SO SINCE THEY LOOK LIKE ME AND I CALCULATED NINE MONTHS BACK TO MAKE SURE MY WIFE DIDNT TAKE LEAVE TO SOME ISLAND WANTING TO EXHALE I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THEY WERE MINE!

    ALSO, IM A VISUAL TYPE OF PERSON I DONT WORK OFF MY IMAGINATION. SO UNLESS YOU ARE MY WIFE OR SOME FAKE ASS HO ON THE STAGE DOING HER RAIN DANCE DONT COUNT ON ME TOUCHING MYSELF. SPEAKING OF IMAGINATION YOUR BACK ALLEY STORY IS NOT VERY IMAGINATIVE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE DEEPLY INVOLVED ACCORDING TO YOUR DESCRIPTION. FIND A SPONSOR AND KEEP GOING BACK IT WORKS IF YOU WORK IT!

    TO mer: BEFORE I RIP YOU A NEW ONE(I PROMISE TO BE GENTLE) PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOUR HUSBAND DO THAT MAKES YOU WANNA GIVE HIM SOME HEAD. EITHER YOUR ARE WHITE OR YOUR DUDE MUST BE BRINGING HOME SOME SERIOUS BACON. IVE BEEN MARRIED 20YRS AND CAN COUNT THE NUMBER OF TIMES MY WIFE WENT DOWN ON ME. SHE IS SUCH A LADY I WANT HER TO GET RAUNCHY SOMETIME!

    BUT BACK TO THE MATTER AT HAND. IM FAR FROM UGLY ON THE INSIDE SWEETHEART. I WAS RAISED A CERTAIN WAY AND I HOLD ON TO THOSE BELIEFS. THAT IS WHAT IS CALLED A FOUNDATION. MY MOTHER TOLD ME TO HELP THOSE WHO NEED HELP MORE SO THAN THE ONES WHO WANT IT. DO HOMOSEXUALS NEED TO GET MARRIED? NO. THEY WANT TO GET MARRIED TO PUT ANOTHER FEATHER IN THEIR CAP OF PROGRESSION.
    IM VERY OPEN MINDED AND WELCOME CHANGE! I WAS ALL FOR THEM ADOPTING CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES AND THE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITH RAISING CHILDREN WHO ACTUALLY NEED THE HELP. BECAUSE IF THEY SHOWED A LACK RESPONSIBILITY REST ASSURE YOU & THE REST OF THE MOTHERS IN THE WORLD WORLD ALONG WITH THE MEDIA WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THEIR CASE AND CALLING FOR THE THEIR HEAD.

    I MEANT WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. I COULD HAVE USED THE WOMENS SUFFRAGE INSTEAD BUT SINCE IM A BLACK MALE I IDENTIFY WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT NO ONE IS DYING, SUFFERING OR IS BEING HELD BACK BY A MUNICIPALITY THAT WILL NOT RECONZIZE TWO FOLKS OF THE SAME SEX TO BE MARRIED. SO THEIR ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHY THEY SHOULD BE MARRIED DONT HOLD WATER BUT THEY WANT WANT TO PULL WOOL OVER BLACK FOLK EYES WITH DRAWING PARALLELS TO THE CIVIL RIGHT MOVEMENT. CHILD PLEEZE!

    LET ME BRIEF YOU ON SOMETHING. THE WHITMAN WALKER CLINIC SPEARHEADED THE AIDS CRISIS, EVEN ELIZABETH TAYLOR WAS BEHIND IT THEN, WHEN WHITE GAY MEN WERE DYING AT AN ALARMING RATE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATS DC WAS NOT EVEN ON THE RADAR WITH AIDS CASES WHEN THE CENTER OPENED. ONCE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL IN THEIR OWN CIRCLES THEY TOTALLY DISREGARDED THOSE THAT NEEDED THE HELP THE MOST. IVE HAD RELATIVES AND FREINDS, MEN AND WOMEN WHO DIED OF THIS DREDFUL DISEASE. THE DC AIDS RATE IS OFF THE CHART AND WHAT IS GAY WHITE MEN DOING THEY ARE FORCING A MARRAIGE BILL THROUGH THE BACK DOOR OF A CITY THAT IS PRDOMINATLY BLACK AND STRAIGHT. THIS IS BEING SPEARHEADED BY A GAY, WHITE, REPUBLICAN (CLAIMING HE IS AN INDEPENDANT.YEAH RIGHT) MAN WHO IRONICALLY IS IN CHARGE OF THE HEATH COMMITTEE WHO HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OVERSIGHT AND CONTROL OF AIDS FUNDS IN THE CITY. WHERE IS HIS DRIVE YOU ASK? MAKING SURE THAT THIS GAY MARRAIGE ISSUE DO NOT COME BEFORE THE PEOPLE OF DC FOR A VOTE LIKE IT HAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. SO FORGIVE ME IF MY HATE FOR THESE FOLKS SPILL OUT INTO YOUR WORLD!

    THATS RIGHT HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE!
    EVERYBODY HAS CHOICE TO BE A HOMOSEXUAL.
    I DIDNT MAKE THAT CHOICE AND NO IT WASNT HARD FOR ME BECAUSE LOGICALLY MY PENIS FITS IN THE VAGINA ORIFICE. MY ATTRACTION TO FEMALES CAME NATURALLY I WAS RUBBING UP AGAINST GIRLS AND FEELING THEIR BUTTS WHEN I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THIS IS HOW WE COURTED BACK IN THE DAY AND OUR MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE WAS A NOTE THAT SAID "DO YOU WANNA GO WITH ME?" CHECK ONE OF THE BOXES BELOW. WE CONSUMATED WITH A KISS AT RECESS.

    NO ONE HAD TO TEACH ME TO BE ATTRACTED TO WOMEN. HOWEVER I WAS INFORMED LATER IN LIFE THAT I SHOULD RESPECT WOMEN AS I WOULD A MAN AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR AND THAT I SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL TOWARDS THEM AS LADIES AND BY DOING SO MAY GIVE ME A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING THE LOVE FROM THEM I DESIRE. I BELIEVE WHAT I WAS TAUGHT TO BE TRUE AFTER REASEARCH AND I PUT THIS INTO PRACTICE AND IT WORKED OUT FOR ME. SOUNDS LIKE YOU DID AS WELL. I CANT TELL YOU WHY FOLK DESIRE TO HAVE SEX WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE SAME GENITALS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME CHOICES THAT YOU AND I HAVE!

    PEACE!

  32. #32

    HAHAHA. This by far is the funniest thing I've ever read Noodlez. Either your fantastically brilliant or tremendously stupidier than I had intially thought.

    So you're harping on who other people want to marry when your own crackhead momma had you without knowing who the father was, you little basturd. Though sad, pathethic and truly telling of why you're such an angry loser, this is fucking hilarious given the holier than thou approach you've taken on all of this.

    You were raised a certain way? Yes, a very fucked up one. So instead of instilling real values in your dumbass, your crackhead mother raised you instead. Well, you and your momma can continue sucking all the dicks you want because on Dec. 1st, freedom for everyone, yay.

    Gangsta Bigot out son... or bitch, either one.

  33. #33

    Noodlez...why desrespect your wife? Im sure those kids are yours. As for going down om a black man..I sure as hell dont blame your wife..I mean the fact that your smelly black ass has to crawl up on her the first of every month so she can get the food stamp card to pay for some food for your babbies, her sisters babies and both your mamas new babies. Shit then you expwct her to be ""raunchy" and suck your dick? Hell its well known and confirmed by many studies that black straight males have horrible personal hygine. and when put in a study with monkeys...the straight black daddie came in a distant second. Jeez. Hey I didnt conduct the study dont blame me. and believe my negro buddy I have lots of beautiful black woman as frinds and they tell me they LOVE suckin cock as a matter a fact if you took a poll 90% would skip the weave and jump on the pole of love.....but theres a catch most of the wonderful black queens have a clean white man on the side to take care of their cravings...I mean you have your ugly white bitches no taste buds..no teeth(crack). but a black woman knows the deal. Hey I know you have big cocks I mean God is fair right..he had to give you something..it wasnt smarts.. even our wonderful president got his brain from his white mother...I seriously doubt America will ever elect a real black daddie. you only have to look at your comments above. So Im outta her..Im tired of playing with you..when you pity someone..it takes all the fun out of the game..Peace to you baby

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