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Morning Roundup: The ‘Should Georgetown Secede?’ Edition

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Morning!

First, a mini roundup: Washington Post readers don't like pictures of gay men kissing ("please don’t shove this 'Gay' business in our face"; "I will be glad when your rag goes out of business. Real men marry women"; "disturbing"). Former representative Eric Massa (D-N.Y.) has some splainin' to do (it's not every day you can Google "tickling" and come up with a breaking news story). And Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson and his betrothed, DCPS Chancellor Michelle Rhee, are not Romeo and Juliet.

Now to the question of the week: Should Georgetown secede?

Discussion after the jump.

Carol Joynt, a writer and former TV producer who's behind the weekly talk show "The Q&A Cafe" and is the former owner of the now closed Nathans, threw that doozy out there this week on her blog, saying:

This isn't as much a question against the city as it is a question  for Georgetown. Its worth forming a panel to explore the idea and also inviting public debate. Reason one is that DC's not going to get home rule. I just don't see it happening. Why should we wait around, caving into powerlessness, when we could come together to create a governing body that helps to improve the quality of living right here where we live?

We could be the City of Georgetown or the Town of Georgetown. Regardless, have our own mayor, our own council, our own police force (on some streets we already do), our own public school system, contract out – like DC does – for a lot of the utility work (think: plowing snow), our own parking enforcement, our own ABC Board, and use our local tax dollars for Georgetown's own needs. We already provide a local bus system.

If you think about it, it makes sense. If you live in Georgetown, how much of the management of the city government relates to you in a positive way? How many city government decisions are made with Georgetown even remotely in the equation?

Anyone from any other D.C. neighborhoods want to answer that?

The Georgetown Metropolitan weighed in with some interesting history. Turns out there's precedent for this, and I'm not talking about the Southern states or Quebec. In 1838, Georgetown residents wrote a motion to request "retrocession" of all D.C. land west of Rock Creek. And the motion passed! And then some folks went to Annapolis, where it also seemed like a good idea! And then Congress pissed on it!

GM's Topher Matthews says, perhaps needlessly, that Joynt's suggestion is "totally ridiculous and never going to see the light of day. There is no way the government of the District or Congress would approve. And if there’s one thing that can get the rest of the District to hate Georgetown more, it would be to agitate for secession."

And Joynt more or less agrees:

I'm a realist. I know this won't happen. But I like the debate. It reminds everyone on the inside and outside of our "borders" that Georgetown is a village and the residents can be engaged in civic activism. We're not passive, but we get distracted. Too much of our focus is directed at the not always attractive commercial development of M Street, when its important to look at and nurture every nook and cranny of the commercial and residential areas.

But that's not the good part.

As for whether "secession" would further dispossess the dispossessed, I always look to Marion Barry. He treats his ward like it is a city and that he's its mayor and their needs come before all others. Say what you will about him, he looks out for his flock. He fights for what they need, what they deserve. Its the same with Ward 1's Jim Graham.

Wait, did she just say Georgetown needs someone like Marion Barry?

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Comments

  1. #1

    Remember when Carol Joynt was relevant?

    Me neither.

  2. #2

    "what they need, what they deserve."

    the tiniest antique violin is playing for the residents of Georgetown today.

  3. #3

    If Georgetown did "secede" from D.C. - and make no mistake, that's NEVER going to happen - the secession wouldn't stop there. I could see the neighborhood east of Wisconsin Ave. seceding from the part west of Wisconsin near the University. Then we'd have two competing Georgetowns right next to each other. It would be the fall of Yugoslavia all over again.

    What a dumb idea.

  4. #4

    MS NEIDOWSKI, YOU CAN INCLUDE ONE WASHINGTON CITY PAPER READER AS WELL! I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE QUOTE FROM THE WAPO. THAT IS DISGUSTING AND VILE BEHAVIOR. AND TO PRESENT IT IN A CLOAK OF LOVE IS AN ASSAULT ON WHAT LITTLE UNDERSTANDING I HAVE FOR THOSE FOLKS!

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    THE ROMEO AND JULIET MONIKER DOESNT FIT THEM. THEY ARE MORE LIKE LAMAR AND KHLOE. A C-RATED BALL PLAYER AT BEST HOOKED UP WITH A BAMA BROAD THAT HAS CARRY ON BAGGAGE.

    "She's an amazing woman," he says of Rhee. "I'm blessed to have this woman in my life."

    LET ME BREAK THAT STATEMENT DOWN LIKE THE BLACK COP IN SANFORD AND SON.

    SHE GOT THAT GOOD-GOOD AND PUTS IT ON A BROTHER LIKE NO OTHER. IM A LUCKY SUMMA-MA BITCH. I LOCKED THAT THANG DOWN THE FIRST CHANCE I GOT!

    ********************************************************

    PETWORTH IN THE HEEEZE!

    G'TOWN JUST LIKE ANACOSTIA NOW WAS ONCE ALL BLACK FOLKS. THEN WHITES MOVED IN. IT SEEMS LIKE HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF. IF IM NOT MISTAKEN. SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG. I THINK THE "retrocession" HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH WITH SLAVERY AND IT WAS SHOT DOWN THEN JUST LIKE IT WAS SHOT DOWN NOW BECAUSE CRACKERS DIDNT WANT BLACK FOLK IN CHARGE.

    TO ANSWER HER QUESTION. HELL NAW! BESIDES, WHO THE FUCK IS SHE? THAT HO LANDED HERE HERE ON A WHIM. SHE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A LIFE LONG CARPETBAGGER. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE NATIVE WASHINGTONIAN WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN G'TOWN AND GET THEIR RESPECTED OPINION ON THIS MATTER.

    HER SO CALLED REASONS "WHY" ARE SHITTY AND HER OUTLINED PLAN IS SHODDY. SHE ACTUALLY COMES ACROSS SOUNDING LIKE A RIGHT WING NUT.

  5. #5

    All people who work and pay taxes should secede from DC, which conveys their tax dollars to corrupt ends. In fact, we can secede from DC by moving to MD or VA, which is what I am doing. Leave DC to profit from its growth and maintenance of a permanent underclass, which is by and large federally funded.

  6. #6

    As my father use to say, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!".

  7. #7

    This bitch Carol Joynt is cool and I like her idea of secede for Georgetown and ask that she include Anacostia,across the bridge black motherfuckers too like me. And expatriate all the poor welfare skunks who will not work,make too many babies,rob and steal, alcohol drug abusers and drop-outs and allow M Barry the leftoves for himself.

  8. #8

    Let's connect some dots in this post and comment thread, please.

    The notion of G'town or any other part of DC seceding is particularly absurd in light of the history being made right now in full equality for all DC residents, which simply is not shared fully across the line in MD, and the picture even worse in the other direction--VA's Atty Gen having just launched an attempted rollback of *all* basic protections to the LGBT community.

    Ms. Joynt: count me out of rolling back recent victories via secession to VA or MD (and creating a mini papal state for any neighborhood is, of course, even less realistic, esp. with noodlez as Viceroy).

  9. #9

    Really, she's no different from any republican/libertarian. The thought process is as old as prostitution: because (I/my family/my block/my neighborhood/my ward/my city/my state) pays more taxes than it receives in services, we're getting screwed. Therefore, we should separate ourselves from those who pay less.

    The appalling simplicity of this argument hardly bears explanation, but it's offensive, short sighted, and just plain stupid. You can't eliminate the problems of society by isolating yourself from them, unless they plan to erect a wall around Georgetown.

    This is just another way for the "haves" to say that they don't feel like they should have to help pay for the problems created by the po' inner city folks who are a drain on society.

    Of course if everyone was allowed to decide how their tax money was spent at this level, there would be no interstate highways, no public schools, no fire department, no police department, and so on.

    I wonder how those g'town people would feel when DCFD refused to respond to a fire that was too much for their two-truck fire department to handle, or when it comes time to rebuild the Key Bridge.

  10. #10

    Let's just bulldoze Georgetown and put up public housing for federal employees.

  11. #11

    Miss Joynt should spend some quiet time far from the maddening crowd pondering the effects of booze and cocaine on some of the poor decisions young women make.
    Georgetown was fine before she showed up. It will be fine after she goes into rehab.

  12. #12

    Carol Joynt might want to check out the fine programs at Father Martin's Ashley or through the Caron Foundation.
    Good luck! You can make it a day at a time!

  13. #13

    Ms. Joynet might want to check out the Westside Club at 1341 Wisconsins Avenue in the heart of G'town or the Triangle Club on P west of Dupont. Good luck.

  14. #14

    She bitter (Joynet) she couldn't make it as a journalist and then lost a business at one of the busiest intersections of this city (Wisconsin & M) what do expect!

  15. #15

    CORRECTIONS: She's not She, I have to get off these cold meds!

  16. #16

    Georgetown could be the capital city of the new oligarchy of Texasalaska. Sarah Palin could be the president, or not depending on her mood. Carol Joynet could throw entime little whine and cheese receptions at her cottage on Embassy Alley. Sally Quinn could work the oil rig and cannery dudes.

  17. #17

    If cocaine is Carol Joynets drug of choice she can find NA meetings at cprna.org. I hope she gets some help. It does appear from her blog that she is pretty focused on using (wine a whole lot)and blaming others. We've all been there. I hope she gets the help she needs.

  18. #18

    Her name is Joynt, not Joynet. About her blog, what is with the Lewinsky retrospective counterposed with old Sally Quinn video? Is this some way to take focus off her new BFF Sally Quinn? As is oft repeated, before there was a "Lewinsky" there was a "Sally Quinn". Unfortunately for Quinn, Monica Lewinsky was a young woman who got caught up in an unfortunate situation and has moved on. Quinn was/is woman with a salacious "past" who can't stop beating dead horses.

    Joynt was about as delicate as anyone could possibly be with that whole oldhogate, not the seafood restaurant, fiasco last week but Quinn must have laid down the law.
    Carol Joynt shoulds seize the day. Quinn is through!

  19. #19

    Today Carol Joynet is claiming Bill Gates hit on her last night at the KenCen. She probably had had a few belts. Sounds like something a barfly at Nathans would think and then of course say.

  20. #20

    I've never heard much on this topic before but was definitely surprised when you reported the historical precedent on the subject. The fact that the motion had passed multiple times in the past is fascinating and makes you think what has changed in the area & population since then

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