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Urban Chicken Debate Lights Up Hill Listserv

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Last fall, Councimember Tommy Wells introduced legislation that would allow residents to raise chickens. DCist offers a good explanation on how the legislation would work: "Under the proposal, you'd have to get nearly all of your neighbors to consent before you could legally keep chickens in your backyard, which would be awfully tricky for some people, and you couldn't have a rooster, only hens. Now we'll just have to wait and see whether the rest of the Council are too chicken to go along."

Chickens on every stoop? Not quite. If the Hill East listserv is any indication, getting residents to agree on the issue seems impossible.  After much clucking, the Hill East listserv has had it with even debating the subject. Today at 1 p.m., "Patrick" writes:

"I think the on-going discussion on this List about this topic for the last number of days indicates that there is a significant amount of opposition to changing the current DC rules and ordanances for urban chickens.

The proponents of this change have tested the waters. It has created a considerable amount of debate, but it is apparent that the majority of residents don't want chickens in their back yards.

Is that not enough to encourage the proponents to be good neighbors and drop the issue or is it about inflicting the desires on the few onto everyone else?"

"Everett" thinks Patrick should stop counting his chickens before they hatch. The debate is far from settled:

"I would agree in every way with this post, except that I think the length of this "debate" indicates a significant amount of support for changing the current DC regulations to permit urban chicken husbandry. Moreover, I think this debate has really made clear that while a majority of residents may not want to personally keep chickens, most would certainly support a change in regulations that would permit their neighbors to do so. Also, I think this debate has really highlighted the fact that most people in Newhilleast prefer Sanka over Nescafe."

The debate did seem far from settled. Earlier in the day, "Greg" wrote:

"'You Can't handle the truth' Colonel Nathan Jessep

I am still awaiting on an answer to the question who in the pro chicken camp would have them on the properties in DC that require no amendment to the law from the council. That is the $2+ million dollar propreties in Upper NW with plenty of land. Not One person has said "YES". So I will stick with the Social Misfits label."

Everett also had chimed in:

"So, in other words, you're asking the chicken husbandry supporters on this listserve, a listserve that is populated by people who live in Newhilleast in ~$500K houses on 750 sq. ft. lots, whether, if they lived in far upper northwest in $2 million houses on 1+ acre lots, they would keep chickens? And this and the price of a dashiki in Uganda have what bearing on our support for the amendment to DCMR 24-900?

Oh right. Nothing.

Cheers!
Everett
@16th & D St. SE

P.S. If I were to live in far upper Northwest on a 1+ acre lot, I would not keep chickens. Rather, I would be militating for a change to Chapter 24 of the DCMR to permit me to keep a small herd of guanacos from which I would gather hair to spin into yarn and knit myself a very cozy faux Slanket."

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Comments

  1. #1

    Remember this ass hole Tommy Wells also gave us the bag tax.

  2. #2

    I concur with your comment. Tommy Wells is a dam liberal left wing idiot. I suggested to the Ward 4 Councilmember who Chair the committee that oversee DCRA to introduce legislation to address overcrowding in apartments and houses in Washington. Of course, I was ignored by Muriel Bowser, because we know what group is doing this shit and it's not political correct for this Council to address the overcrowding issue or illegal immigration.We are doomed in the District and in the USA by the liberal Democrats. The Republicans too suck.

  3. #3

    I meant to say, I concur with your comment Rick Mangus. It's sad, that one family can get their Ward 6 Councilmember attention about keeping dam chickens in their backyard. I am a native Washingtonian and been here all my life and I can't get the attention of the D.C. Council. Maybe, I am not white or a light skinned Negro. Senator Harry Reid confirmed my fears, I am not a light skinned Negro and I am marginalize by white America. My life or self worth is meaningless in society.

  4. #4

    You'll git lotsa comments here, i'm bettin

  5. #5

    Chickens should not be raised in an urban environment. Chickens and other farm animals should be raised in the country.

    WARD4DC, I am sorry you are not a light skinned Negro. LOL

    According Senator Harry Reid, we white folks prefer light skinned Negroes without a Negro dialect. LOL LOL

    I am only joking WARD4DC.

  6. #6

    Rick, you're a charmer alright.

    Thank GOD for the bag tax. It was a needed, necessary step in the right direction.

    I'm still trying to figure out the chicken thing.

  7. Comrade Al Gonzales
    #7

    People have kept chickens in the city of San Francisco for years. An Asian lady who lives behind my sister has had chickens for at least 15 years [legally or illegally]. For a short time she had a rooster, but neighbors complained so the rooster was soup. Right now she has a pretty red chicken [Rhode Island Red?] & a white chicken.

    WARD4DC, you're invisible to Harry Wells & to American society. For example, ABC: No black people - unless they're passing - on the Bachelor / Bachelorette series. Just as Ralph Ellison wrote 50 years ago - The Invisible Man.

    Go communist - what have you got to lose?

    On a person to person note, I don't know what to say. I'd say I'm sorry but that's senseless. Most white people have no black friends & no idea what black people go through on a day-to-day basis.

    I wish each white person was black for one day. One year would be better, but - 99% of people today are so selfish they don't care about anything but me me me. There were a lot of problems back in the 60s & 70s, but people were not so ignorant then. Good luck.

    & go communist.

  8. #8

    Yawn
    Even a post about chickens is all about race to some people.

  9. #9

    Thanks Comrade Al Gonzalez for speaking the truth. Sometimes we don't want to hear it. Downtonw Rez lives in the "Twilght Zone". He's white so he have had my experieces in America. I look forward to my death, because I am living in "hell" daily as I see it.

    You know Brother Al Gonzalez, you might have a point. I wish all whites in the U.S. could be black for one day. Once they did an episode on "Touch By An Angel" where the white Angel Monica was turned black by God for one day. Some white rednecks came along and they were about to kill Monica, because she was black. Monica starting praying to God fast saying she wished she wasn't black and God turned her back white again. Comrade Al Gonzalez, seeing this episode, I cried like a baby. The late Rosa Parks was in this episode. I didn't mean to get off the topic, but I truly believe, if this were a black family who wanted to keep chickens in their backyard, Ward 6 D.C. Councilmember Tommy Wells wouldn't give a dam. Sometimes, I have wished to be a white man or a light skin Negro with staight hair inorder to be accepted by the majority race in the United States. Senator Harry Reid was correct by making his comments. Light skin blacks with so called good hair have always been accepted by whites. This is why they were allowed to live in the master's house during slavery, but darker skin blacks like me had to live in the fields like an animal. Commrade Al Gonzalez, attached below is the episode of "Touch By An Angel".

    http://www.touched.com/episodeguide/seasonfive/524.html

  10. #10

    I want to keep cattle, I guess I will mosey them down to Idiot Wells's front yard, if he has one!

  11. #11

    Sad. You've self-esteem issues, Ward 4. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Don't put them on me. I'm not your enemy or your therapist.

  12. #12

    Fuck you Downtown Rez, you racist piece of white trash. I have read a lot of your bullshit on here. You think because you are white you are fucking superior to non whites. Kiss my brown ass!

  13. #13

    It's crackers like you downtown rez who impossed these self esteem issue on non whites. You would never tell me what you said to my face.

  14. #14

    Chickens like to use the bathroom all over the yard and could expose people to diseases.

    Downtown rez, please lay off WARD4DC. I agree with Comrade Gonzalez on this one. Try being black for 1 year in the United States or just for one day. I am sure your superiority type of thinking to blacks would be different.

    D.C. Council, please keep the law as it is and don't change it.

  15. Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
    #15

    Chickens are nasty to keep in an urban environment. I can't see how one family can get this law changed in an entire city? This is having clout and their being white have a lot to do with it.

    In reference to downtown rez, I wish you would disappear off this site. You have nothing to offer with your self righteous comments. If I didn't know any better, one would think, you are D.C. At Large Councilmember being a ghost writer on the Washington City Paper. If Ward4DC feel the way he does, then so be it. I am sure their are millions of people out there in the U.S. who share his feelings. Race relations have made some improvements in the last 40 years, but we have a long way to go. Whites like downtown rez are in denial. Your being white have afforded you privileges in society.

  16. Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
    #16

    Correction:

    Chickens are nasty to keep in an urban environment. I can't see how one family can get this law changed in an entire city? This is having clout and their being white have a lot to do with it.

    In reference to downtown rez, I wish you would disappear off this site. You have nothing to offer with your self righteous comments. If I didn't know any better, one would think, you are D.C. At Large Councilmember David Catania being a ghost writer on the Washington City Paper. If Ward4DC feel the way he does, then so be it. I am sure their are millions of people out there in the U.S. who share his feelings. Race relations have made some improvements in the last 40 years, but we have a long way to go. Whites like downtown rez are in denial. Your being white have afforded you privileges in society.

    You are a bitter gay white male downtown rez!

  17. #17

    downtown rez, how many black friends do you have or associate with in Washington, D.C.? I am white and I know I have it better than blacks in this country. I can't imagine what it would be like to be black, nor would I want to.

    Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich might be correct. I wonder if this was a longtime black family on Capitol Hill who wanted to maintain chickens on their property, would the Ward 6 Councilmember have given the time of day? This is food for thought!

  18. #18

    Let me say this: I'm white, I grew up during seriously racist times, I have many friends of every race/ethnic heritage, my kids don't know the difference between white/black/light/dark/brown/yellow skinned people and that's what we need more of in today's society. Racists be gone whatever your color!

  19. #19

    @ Jon Bon Jovi.......you know your fake ass meant every word of it you fuckwad!
    I can recall growing up in SE back-n-da-day and families going to the market and bringing chickens home. They would run around backyards before the beheadings!
    @ ward4, never reveal your weakness to your enemy!

  20. #20

    Not that it's ANY of your business, but I have Native American, African, and European family members. And not only am I completely comfortable with all of my family, but I'm also completely comfortable with who I am.
    I'm not the one who interjects race into every little chickenshit post.
    Yeah, I'm laughing at you. Get over yourself and stop putting the "race" in "Race to the Bottom".
    You act the fool and I won't join your foolishness.
    Fred- this post may get lots of comments, but how many will actually raising chickens vs some random bitch and moan fest?

  21. #21

    I say thumbs down at keeping chickens in your backyard. Ward4DC, I looked at the website of Touch by An Angel you provided. Wow, that had to have been a depressing episode to watch?

    Downtown Rez, you are one of the most negative and insensitive people to post on the Washington Post blog. Hell, I have a European ancestry thanks to slavery, but I am still a black man. Liberals like you need to come back to earth and stop talking all this crap. You state crap that only makes you feel good Downtown Rez. I am a native Washingtonian, but I am positive you were not born in D.C. Have you ever thought about moving back to your all lilly white community in Saint Olaf, Minnesota or Nebraska?

    Gezz, it would be great downtown rez if you didn't post on this blog so much. Take a break, because I have seen your post on other blogs as well. Do you have a life, boyfriend, girlfriend, wive, husband? I guess not; you have too much time on your hands to trash others who you feel are beneath you or don't share your views or opinions.

  22. #22

    Nice. One sentence about chickens. Another about "Touched by an Angel". And ten about how how mean and nasty I am because I'm sick of every conversation here devolving into a referendum on race.
    Sweet.
    Too bad I'm not Salvadorean or living in a group home, then I'd REALLY be in deep trouble with Ward 4!
    Honestly, do you all even listen to yourselves? It's all Gay this, Cracker that, Illegal Immigrant the other.
    And then when someone calls you on it- without even joining in the gutterfest- suddenly it's queensbury rules. Hypocrits.

  23. #23

    Yes downtown rez, I don't support illegal immigration either. So what is your point? Take a break from this blog. None of us would miss you.

  24. #24

    When I was a little kid (long ago) I had a neighbor who raised chickens in their suburban back yard. I still remember that when they get their heads cut off they run around bleeding.

    Would you deny your child that formative experience?

  25. #25

    Oh, fuck the gubernmint - who says we need their permission?. Know and respect your neighbors, get chickens if you feel like it and can keep them properly. And, yes, I've had that "formative experience". So did every other rural kid.

  26. #26

    Who knew St E's allowed patients to use the internet?

  27. #27

    Why trash St Elizabeth's? How gratuitous! It was a very dynamic place in its day.

    Though I don't like the handle, I like just sayin's comment (except the no no word to start).

    More chicken, less general gripin' please.

    Thnx.

  28. Comrade Al Gonzales
    #28

    The problem is white people moving into neighborhoods & destroying the families & traditions that have existed in those neighborhoods for generations.

    Tell these white devils to go back to Michigan or whatever shitty state they came from.

    White devils.

    Chickens - good. White people - bad.
    Communism - good. Capitalism - bad.

    Chickens - good. Make mine fried.

  29. #29

    You're already fried, Al. How's that racial sensitivity/educate the masses thing of yours coming along?

  30. Comrade Al Gonzales
    #30

    Actually, "Truth" you tool of the capitalist class, I got promoted. And, you moron, I'm not teaching "racial sensitivity" & never said I was. That's PC bullshit that clowns like you prefer.

    I teach "racial consciousness" & "class consciousness". First the masses have to be conscious of what's going on; then the masses can change that.

    You, on the other hand, are such an ignorant asshole there's no hope. You go into re-education camp for 20 years.

  31. #31

    @ Al: So "racial consciousness = white devils", now I get it. Thanks so much for the clarification, professor.

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