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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, anyone saying that he was &quot;drawing his gun to safety it&quot;

Is a gigantic moron.

A glocks safety is the trigger itself. Why then, would you walk around, with your finger perilously close to the trigger? Why not just holster your weapon? Why risk slipping and grabbing the trigger?

Or are you trying to tell me the officer doesn&#039;t have a holster for his weapon? That he just waist bands it?

Yah, sounds like a professional to me.

Besides, we all remember the video of the officer who shot himself in the foot in front of a class of kids, with a glock, because he wasn&#039;t paying attention to where his finger was. You think a guy slipping and sliding in the snow is going to do any better?

No, hes not. Any officer who has his trigger safety weapon drawn, and not only drawn, but waving it around, is a moron. There are numerous times where it is not pointed directly at the ground. In fact, its pointed at angles that a bullet could easily ricochet into someone else.

Anyone who has taken basic firearms safety would know this.

If you want to see the proper way to handle a weapon. Look at the uniformed officer. He keeps his gun aimed directly down, in a holster like position, the entire time he is walking. Professional and smart.

Det. Baylor waves his around like hes showing off to buddies at the range. Unprofessional, and begging for an accident.

Now that I&#039;ve clearly established reasons NOT to have his weapon drawn. We must conclude, he drew it for a reason other than safety.

Whether to threaten the crowd.
Show off or maybe scare them off.
Or because he was afraid.

Whatever the reason. It was entirely and completely inappropriate. This is not a valid response to having your car hit by snowballs.

And yes, i saw that he was hit with a snowball on his person, drawing a gun is still not a valid response.

Was he in danger? No.

Did he put dozens of innocent people on the street in danger when he drew his gun? Yes.

Even to apprehend the person who hit him with a snowball, he should have never drawn his gun. He would be risking dozens of people just walking along, or driving down the road. Something no trained officer would do.

In fact, as a detective, you think he would be smart enough to know that he can track the person down later. You can clearly see the person who hit him with a snowball in one video. An identification could easily be made. You could trace and track that man down, and arrest him later for his crime.

Which yes, i think the man who threw a snowball at the detective should be arrested and fined or charged. Throwing a snowball at a vehicle is one thing. But hitting a person with a snowball, when they were not part of the festivities is another matter. And frankly, its not something i would want to happen to me.

And while not as bad as some incidents involving police officers we see in the news. The man still obviously needs new training. On everything from dealing with the public, to firearms safety.

Until then, he is a danger and a menace. And i am glad his off the streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, anyone saying that he was "drawing his gun to safety it"</p>
<p>Is a gigantic moron.</p>
<p>A glocks safety is the trigger itself. Why then, would you walk around, with your finger perilously close to the trigger? Why not just holster your weapon? Why risk slipping and grabbing the trigger?</p>
<p>Or are you trying to tell me the officer doesn't have a holster for his weapon? That he just waist bands it?</p>
<p>Yah, sounds like a professional to me.</p>
<p>Besides, we all remember the video of the officer who shot himself in the foot in front of a class of kids, with a glock, because he wasn't paying attention to where his finger was. You think a guy slipping and sliding in the snow is going to do any better?</p>
<p>No, hes not. Any officer who has his trigger safety weapon drawn, and not only drawn, but waving it around, is a moron. There are numerous times where it is not pointed directly at the ground. In fact, its pointed at angles that a bullet could easily ricochet into someone else.</p>
<p>Anyone who has taken basic firearms safety would know this.</p>
<p>If you want to see the proper way to handle a weapon. Look at the uniformed officer. He keeps his gun aimed directly down, in a holster like position, the entire time he is walking. Professional and smart.</p>
<p>Det. Baylor waves his around like hes showing off to buddies at the range. Unprofessional, and begging for an accident.</p>
<p>Now that I've clearly established reasons NOT to have his weapon drawn. We must conclude, he drew it for a reason other than safety.</p>
<p>Whether to threaten the crowd.<br />
Show off or maybe scare them off.<br />
Or because he was afraid.</p>
<p>Whatever the reason. It was entirely and completely inappropriate. This is not a valid response to having your car hit by snowballs.</p>
<p>And yes, i saw that he was hit with a snowball on his person, drawing a gun is still not a valid response.</p>
<p>Was he in danger? No.</p>
<p>Did he put dozens of innocent people on the street in danger when he drew his gun? Yes.</p>
<p>Even to apprehend the person who hit him with a snowball, he should have never drawn his gun. He would be risking dozens of people just walking along, or driving down the road. Something no trained officer would do.</p>
<p>In fact, as a detective, you think he would be smart enough to know that he can track the person down later. You can clearly see the person who hit him with a snowball in one video. An identification could easily be made. You could trace and track that man down, and arrest him later for his crime.</p>
<p>Which yes, i think the man who threw a snowball at the detective should be arrested and fined or charged. Throwing a snowball at a vehicle is one thing. But hitting a person with a snowball, when they were not part of the festivities is another matter. And frankly, its not something i would want to happen to me.</p>
<p>And while not as bad as some incidents involving police officers we see in the news. The man still obviously needs new training. On everything from dealing with the public, to firearms safety.</p>
<p>Until then, he is a danger and a menace. And i am glad his off the streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why hasn&#039;t newspaper, site,  blogger, or tv station explored why 200 supposed adults had to have a snowball fight in the middle of a major intersection?  Are there no parks or school yards within a half mile of this intersection?</description>
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		<title>By: What a Smug, Pompous DI*KHEAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>What a Smug, Pompous DI*KHEAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] responds with the following (and as always, he’s spot on): Thank goodness the Washington Post didn’t perpetuate irresponsible Internet rumors on that snowball fight story. Instead, they went straight to MPDC for the official version of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31:  &quot;The law says that it is wrong, the innocent driver knows it is wrong, and the so-called educated &#039;kids&#039; (adults with nothing to do), also know it&#039;s wrong.&quot;

Sure.  But last I checked, in most places drawing a gun in response to no display of lethal force was criminal assault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31:  "The law says that it is wrong, the innocent driver knows it is wrong, and the so-called educated 'kids' (adults with nothing to do), also know it's wrong."</p>
<p>Sure.  But last I checked, in most places drawing a gun in response to no display of lethal force was criminal assault.</p>
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		<title>By: KCinDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KCinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Five, if they had called the cops on real kids throwing snowballs, and the cops had pulled guns, you can bet people would be discussing it, especially if it was on video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Five, if they had called the cops on real kids throwing snowballs, and the cops had pulled guns, you can bet people would be discussing it, especially if it was on video.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, those snowballers were being bad.  How dare they.  They deserved to be threatened with a gun.  Hell, the cop probably should have shot a few as an example to the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, those snowballers were being bad.  How dare they.  They deserved to be threatened with a gun.  Hell, the cop probably should have shot a few as an example to the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Five to Go</title>
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		<dc:creator>Five to Go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plain and simple, the snowballers were wrong to throw snowballs at any passing car. The law says that it is wrong, the innocent driver knows it is wrong, and the so-called educated &quot;kids&quot; (adults with nothing to do), also know it&#039;s wrong. Let&#039;s say that these so-called &quot;kids&quot; (adults) had been hit with snowballs from real kids (children), and they did not like it, and they called the police. I doubt that I nor anyone else would be discussing the outcome. Let this sorry excuse for behavior by old-ass grown adults get buried for good. Let&#039;s talk about adult issues like the war, Fenty, Rhee, Nickels,etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plain and simple, the snowballers were wrong to throw snowballs at any passing car. The law says that it is wrong, the innocent driver knows it is wrong, and the so-called educated "kids" (adults with nothing to do), also know it's wrong. Let's say that these so-called "kids" (adults) had been hit with snowballs from real kids (children), and they did not like it, and they called the police. I doubt that I nor anyone else would be discussing the outcome. Let this sorry excuse for behavior by old-ass grown adults get buried for good. Let's talk about adult issues like the war, Fenty, Rhee, Nickels,etc.</p>
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		<title>By: asdfg</title>
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		<dc:creator>asdfg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is coming from the paper that won the 2009 Correction of the Year: http://www.regrettheerror.com/2009/12/16/crunks-2009-the-year-in-media-errors-and-corrections/</description>
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		<title>By: When I Was A Kid, We Organized Our Snowball Fights On AOL Message Boards &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>When I Was A Kid, We Organized Our Snowball Fights On AOL Message Boards &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WaPo Sits on Eyewitness Account on Snowball Gun Incident &#124; Mutate</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaPo Sits on Eyewitness Account on Snowball Gun Incident &#124; Mutate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Washington City Paper: WaPo Sits on Eyewitness Account on Snowball Gun Incident [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sdlkjf</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is good to remember next time you hear some REAL journalist talking about how much blogs and the rest suck.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent observation on the coverage of the mainstream media as well as their phobia of citizen journalists and bloggers.  I knew from other sources the cop had drawn his gun before I saw the first coverage on CNN which swallowed the cop&#039;s story that he never had his gun out.

The cops, of course, being in one of those few professions where lying is actually taught and cultivated as a tool of the trade, think nothing of fabricating a complete fiction to explain what happened. They then simply wait to see if it sticks, which nowadays simply means there is no video to contradict them. For the cops, there is no down side to that strategy. If they are caught in the lie, there are no repercussions because anyone with the power to actually hold them accountable is on the same team as the cops.

This cop is obviously a hothead with a gun in a profession where intimidation, threats, and violence are encouraged as a first response to any behavior that makes them angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent observation on the coverage of the mainstream media as well as their phobia of citizen journalists and bloggers.  I knew from other sources the cop had drawn his gun before I saw the first coverage on CNN which swallowed the cop's story that he never had his gun out.</p>
<p>The cops, of course, being in one of those few professions where lying is actually taught and cultivated as a tool of the trade, think nothing of fabricating a complete fiction to explain what happened. They then simply wait to see if it sticks, which nowadays simply means there is no video to contradict them. For the cops, there is no down side to that strategy. If they are caught in the lie, there are no repercussions because anyone with the power to actually hold them accountable is on the same team as the cops.</p>
<p>This cop is obviously a hothead with a gun in a profession where intimidation, threats, and violence are encouraged as a first response to any behavior that makes them angry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc Fisher was an incompetent error-prone reporter when stationed in Germany, he moved over to writing a worthless metro column, and now he&#039;s an editor on the doofus beat at WaPo.  The Post has been hollowed out for years.  Now all they&#039;ve got is Fred Hiatt watching John Wayne reruns and publishing Sarah Palin&#039;s psychotic ravings on the op-ed page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc Fisher was an incompetent error-prone reporter when stationed in Germany, he moved over to writing a worthless metro column, and now he's an editor on the doofus beat at WaPo.  The Post has been hollowed out for years.  Now all they've got is Fred Hiatt watching John Wayne reruns and publishing Sarah Palin's psychotic ravings on the op-ed page.</p>
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