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	<title>Comments on: California Bans Plasma TVs, Could It Happen to Us?</title>
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		<title>By: Government plan to ban Plasma TV screens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Government plan to ban Plasma TV screens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] took a different approach, requiring manufactures to develop energy efficient versions.  California Bans Plasma TVs, Could It Happen to Us? - City Desk - Washington City Paper  Plasma is old tech at this stage, LED/LCD is the tech of choice   __________________ Regards, Pat [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] took a different approach, requiring manufactures to develop energy efficient versions.  California Bans Plasma TVs, Could It Happen to Us? - City Desk - Washington City Paper  Plasma is old tech at this stage, LED/LCD is the tech of choice   __________________ Regards, Pat [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg M.</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/11/20/california-bans-plasma-tvs-could-it-happen-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-694542</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... If you do bookmark this site, take the information with a very large grain of salt, if this particular blog post is any indication. It&#039;s BADLY MISINFORMED, and jaw-droppingly so. Comments #1 &amp; #3 set the facts straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>... If you do bookmark this site, take the information with a very large grain of salt, if this particular blog post is any indication. It's BADLY MISINFORMED, and jaw-droppingly so. Comments #1 &amp; #3 set the facts straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando Mccuin</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/11/20/california-bans-plasma-tvs-could-it-happen-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689864</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando Mccuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I just stumbled upon your site browsing on online as I am researching some material on dishwashers. appears like a good website so I have bookmarked you and will come back tomorrow to enjoy a proper read when i have more time. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I just stumbled upon your site browsing on online as I am researching some material on dishwashers. appears like a good website so I have bookmarked you and will come back tomorrow to enjoy a proper read when i have more time. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/11/20/california-bans-plasma-tvs-could-it-happen-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689805</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how do LCDs compare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do LCDs compare?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/11/20/california-bans-plasma-tvs-could-it-happen-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689496</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a decent article in the Atlantic recently that dealt with Calif&#039;s unique approach to energy consumption. They are discouraging the notion of using as much as possible, tying profitability to consumption. I recommend the article. California still does so much right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a decent article in the Atlantic recently that dealt with Calif's unique approach to energy consumption. They are discouraging the notion of using as much as possible, tying profitability to consumption. I recommend the article. California still does so much right.</p>
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		<title>By: Eag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another reason to stick with LCDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reason to stick with LCDs.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact...42&quot; plasma HDTV ranges from 155w-195w as listed on the Energy Star web site, this is almost half of what a 35/36&quot; old convential tube uses. 50&quot; plasma range from 195-245w on the same ES web site. This energy use ranges from $41-$65 per year at 11c/kwh, less than $5/mo. Apparantely there is more misinformation from DC being given to unsuspecting consumers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact...42" plasma HDTV ranges from 155w-195w as listed on the Energy Star web site, this is almost half of what a 35/36" old convential tube uses. 50" plasma range from 195-245w on the same ES web site. This energy use ranges from $41-$65 per year at 11c/kwh, less than $5/mo. Apparantely there is more misinformation from DC being given to unsuspecting consumers!</p>
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		<title>By: peter in ireland</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter in ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine and Dan,
Are you guys in the &#039;Free America&#039; or are you wannabees to join our
Bureaucratic ban-loving EU? :-)

Either way,
Governor Schwarzenegger is shooting himself in the foot!

1.  Taxation, while still wrong, is better than bans for all concerned.
TV set taxation based on energy efficiency - unlike bans - gives
Governor Schwarzenegger&#039;s impoverished California Government income on
the reduced sales, while consumers keep choice.
This also applies generally,
to CARS (with emission tax or gas tax), BUILDINGS, DISHWASHERS, LIGHT BULBS etc,
where politicians instead keep trying to define what people can or can&#039;t use.
Politicians can use the tax money raised to fund home insulation
schemes, renewable projects etc that lower energy use and emissions
more than remaining product use raises them.
Energy efficient products can have any sales taxes lowered, making
them cheaper than today.
People are not just hit by taxes, they don&#039;t have to buy the higher
taxed products - and at least they CAN still buy them.


2.  Product regulation, bans or taxation, are however unwarranted:
Where there is a problem - deal with the problem!

Energy: there is no energy shortage
 (given renewable/nuclear development possibilities, with set emission limits)
and consumers - not politicians - pay for energy and how they wish to use it.

It might sound great to
&quot;Let everyone save money by only allowing energy efficient products&quot;
However:
Inefficient products that use more energy can have performance,
appearance and construction advantages
Examples (using cars, buildings, dishwashers, TV sets, light bulbs etc):
http://ceolas.net/#cc211x
For example,  big plasma TV screens have image contrast and other
advantages along with their large image sizes.


Products using more energy usually cost less, or they&#039;d be more energy
efficient already.
Depending on how much they are used, there might therefore not be any
running cost savings either.

Other factors contribute to a lack of savings:

If households use less energy,
then utility companies make less money,
and will just raise electricity prices to cover their costs.
So people don&#039;t save as much money as they thought.

Conversely,
energy efficiency in effect means cheaper energy,
so people just leave TV sets etc on more, knowing that energy bills are lower,
as also shown by Scottish and Cambridge research
http://ceolas.net/#cc214x

Either way, supposed energy - or money -  savings aren&#039;t there.


----------------------
Why energy efficiency regulations are wrong,
whether you are for or against energy and emission conservation
http://ceolas.net/#cc2x
Summary
Politicians don&#039;t object to energy efficiency as it sounds too good to
be true. It is.
--The Consumer Side
Product Performance -- Construction and Appearance
Price Increase -- Lack of Actual Savings: Money, Energy or Emissions.
Choice and Quality affected
-- The Manufacturer Side
Meeting Consumer Demand -- Green Technology -- Green Marketing
--The Energy Side
Energy Supply -- Energy Security -- Cars and Oil Dependence
--The Emission Side
Buildings -- Industry -- Power Stations -- Light Bulbs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine and Dan,<br />
Are you guys in the 'Free America' or are you wannabees to join our<br />
Bureaucratic ban-loving EU? :-)</p>
<p>Either way,<br />
Governor Schwarzenegger is shooting himself in the foot!</p>
<p>1.  Taxation, while still wrong, is better than bans for all concerned.<br />
TV set taxation based on energy efficiency - unlike bans - gives<br />
Governor Schwarzenegger's impoverished California Government income on<br />
the reduced sales, while consumers keep choice.<br />
This also applies generally,<br />
to CARS (with emission tax or gas tax), BUILDINGS, DISHWASHERS, LIGHT BULBS etc,<br />
where politicians instead keep trying to define what people can or can't use.<br />
Politicians can use the tax money raised to fund home insulation<br />
schemes, renewable projects etc that lower energy use and emissions<br />
more than remaining product use raises them.<br />
Energy efficient products can have any sales taxes lowered, making<br />
them cheaper than today.<br />
People are not just hit by taxes, they don't have to buy the higher<br />
taxed products - and at least they CAN still buy them.</p>
<p>2.  Product regulation, bans or taxation, are however unwarranted:<br />
Where there is a problem - deal with the problem!</p>
<p>Energy: there is no energy shortage<br />
 (given renewable/nuclear development possibilities, with set emission limits)<br />
and consumers - not politicians - pay for energy and how they wish to use it.</p>
<p>It might sound great to<br />
"Let everyone save money by only allowing energy efficient products"<br />
However:<br />
Inefficient products that use more energy can have performance,<br />
appearance and construction advantages<br />
Examples (using cars, buildings, dishwashers, TV sets, light bulbs etc):<br />
<a href="http://ceolas.net/#cc211x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#cc211x</a><br />
For example,  big plasma TV screens have image contrast and other<br />
advantages along with their large image sizes.</p>
<p>Products using more energy usually cost less, or they'd be more energy<br />
efficient already.<br />
Depending on how much they are used, there might therefore not be any<br />
running cost savings either.</p>
<p>Other factors contribute to a lack of savings:</p>
<p>If households use less energy,<br />
then utility companies make less money,<br />
and will just raise electricity prices to cover their costs.<br />
So people don't save as much money as they thought.</p>
<p>Conversely,<br />
energy efficiency in effect means cheaper energy,<br />
so people just leave TV sets etc on more, knowing that energy bills are lower,<br />
as also shown by Scottish and Cambridge research<br />
<a href="http://ceolas.net/#cc214x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#cc214x</a></p>
<p>Either way, supposed energy - or money -  savings aren't there.</p>
<p>----------------------<br />
Why energy efficiency regulations are wrong,<br />
whether you are for or against energy and emission conservation<br />
<a href="http://ceolas.net/#cc2x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#cc2x</a><br />
Summary<br />
Politicians don't object to energy efficiency as it sounds too good to<br />
be true. It is.<br />
--The Consumer Side<br />
Product Performance -- Construction and Appearance<br />
Price Increase -- Lack of Actual Savings: Money, Energy or Emissions.<br />
Choice and Quality affected<br />
-- The Manufacturer Side<br />
Meeting Consumer Demand -- Green Technology -- Green Marketing<br />
--The Energy Side<br />
Energy Supply -- Energy Security -- Cars and Oil Dependence<br />
--The Emission Side<br />
Buildings -- Industry -- Power Stations -- Light Bulbs</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your facts are a little off.  First, California didn&#039;t ban plasma TVs.  The new regulations require that TVs be 33% more efficient than current energy star standards by 2011.  What you don&#039;t mention is that most of the TVs on the market TODAY exceed these standards.  Also, these new rules don&#039;t apply to TVs larger than 58&quot; so the &quot;big screen rituals&quot; won&#039;t be affected if the screen is big enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your facts are a little off.  First, California didn't ban plasma TVs.  The new regulations require that TVs be 33% more efficient than current energy star standards by 2011.  What you don't mention is that most of the TVs on the market TODAY exceed these standards.  Also, these new rules don't apply to TVs larger than 58" so the "big screen rituals" won't be affected if the screen is big enough.</p>
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