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		<title>By: Shaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Five to Go</title>
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		<dc:creator>Five to Go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Tom, when he stated that the Fenty-Rhee administration don&#039;t play by the rules let alone the LAW.
If white parents want to send their children to local neighborhood schools great. Some white children are no more smarter than, any other group of children. The test scores will only go up when the citizens of this city start to re-value teachers. Yes, some teachers are not that dedicated to their jobs, and some are full of creative ideas and stategies, and trully love to teach. Please stop and think, not all police officers are great, not all doctors are great, and as we see know not all Mayors are great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tom, when he stated that the Fenty-Rhee administration don't play by the rules let alone the LAW.<br />
If white parents want to send their children to local neighborhood schools great. Some white children are no more smarter than, any other group of children. The test scores will only go up when the citizens of this city start to re-value teachers. Yes, some teachers are not that dedicated to their jobs, and some are full of creative ideas and stategies, and trully love to teach. Please stop and think, not all police officers are great, not all doctors are great, and as we see know not all Mayors are great.</p>
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		<title>By: veronaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>veronaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone interested in the dynamics of local parents who have yet-to-enter a mostly non-white DCPS might read the following article published by CityPaper not too long ago --it&#039;s relevant today -- go to www.washingtoncitypaper.com/cover/2006/cover0616.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone interested in the dynamics of local parents who have yet-to-enter a mostly non-white DCPS might read the following article published by CityPaper not too long ago --it's relevant today -- go to <a href="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/cover/2006/cover0616.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/cover/2006/cover0616.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Skipper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued excellent analysis by Reid. Well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued excellent analysis by Reid. Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is I don&#039;t believe the administration or Chancellor Rhee plays by the rules. Whats starts as ending the acceptance of out of boundary students can quickly turn into a purge.

I have zero faith that the administration and DCPS will take care of those that have not. Schools were torn down and converted into condo&#039;s. A democratically elected organization was taken over and stripped of power, yet we scream for representation in DC. They play by their own rules</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is I don't believe the administration or Chancellor Rhee plays by the rules. Whats starts as ending the acceptance of out of boundary students can quickly turn into a purge.</p>
<p>I have zero faith that the administration and DCPS will take care of those that have not. Schools were torn down and converted into condo's. A democratically elected organization was taken over and stripped of power, yet we scream for representation in DC. They play by their own rules</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom I don&#039;t think your analogy is quite accurate. Once you are accepted as an OOB student, you can&#039;t be kicked out due to more in boundary kids attending. In fact, if you attend a school like Hyde out of boundary, you are guaranteed a spot at Hardy. What an increase in in-boundary kids would affect are kids that haven&#039;t yet been accepted in the OOB system. So in your analogy it&#039;s not that we&#039;re sending refugees back, we&#039;re lowering the number we accept in the first place. It&#039;s still an unpleasant enterprise, but it&#039;s not quite the bait-and-switch that you are suggesting.

The resentment felt by OOB parents is completely understandable. Here they are fighting to get their kids into a decent school, just to see their chances to send more kids decreased simply because families West of the Park are exercising a prerogative denied to the OOB family: namely the privilege to send their kid to a local school that&#039;s high achieving without going through a humiliating lottery.

The better way to address that resentment is to improve the local schools East of the Park. But that&#039;s a distant dream probably generations away. In the mean time, the OOB family is just struggling to find another school that still has slots open.

And that&#039;s why I find this whole thing utterly fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom I don't think your analogy is quite accurate. Once you are accepted as an OOB student, you can't be kicked out due to more in boundary kids attending. In fact, if you attend a school like Hyde out of boundary, you are guaranteed a spot at Hardy. What an increase in in-boundary kids would affect are kids that haven't yet been accepted in the OOB system. So in your analogy it's not that we're sending refugees back, we're lowering the number we accept in the first place. It's still an unpleasant enterprise, but it's not quite the bait-and-switch that you are suggesting.</p>
<p>The resentment felt by OOB parents is completely understandable. Here they are fighting to get their kids into a decent school, just to see their chances to send more kids decreased simply because families West of the Park are exercising a prerogative denied to the OOB family: namely the privilege to send their kid to a local school that's high achieving without going through a humiliating lottery.</p>
<p>The better way to address that resentment is to improve the local schools East of the Park. But that's a distant dream probably generations away. In the mean time, the OOB family is just struggling to find another school that still has slots open.</p>
<p>And that's why I find this whole thing utterly fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: downtown rez</title>
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		<dc:creator>downtown rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be a dick, but aren&#039;t the OOB kids at Hardy and Ellington like the private school kids (at where ever) in that they both reject their local schools to go someplace else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be a dick, but aren't the OOB kids at Hardy and Ellington like the private school kids (at where ever) in that they both reject their local schools to go someplace else?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lastly, this is a very serious issue that has major ramification for our city and that is why I feel strongly on this. Imagine accepting refugees from some war plagued country. They become integrated and are doing well, but now because they are not our kind of people we send them back. This is exactly whats being talked about.

If DCPS and Rhee would get their act together starting with ending speaking engagements across the country, flying to Cali, taking pictures, and violating the will of the law, maybe she could actually fix schools the out of boundary students flee from. However, if they stay the course the course national Achievement scholars go waaaay down in this city and National Merit Scholars go up. Then what do you do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lastly, this is a very serious issue that has major ramification for our city and that is why I feel strongly on this. Imagine accepting refugees from some war plagued country. They become integrated and are doing well, but now because they are not our kind of people we send them back. This is exactly whats being talked about.</p>
<p>If DCPS and Rhee would get their act together starting with ending speaking engagements across the country, flying to Cali, taking pictures, and violating the will of the law, maybe she could actually fix schools the out of boundary students flee from. However, if they stay the course the course national Achievement scholars go waaaay down in this city and National Merit Scholars go up. Then what do you do?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid does have valid points, but the issue is the retrenchment of kids who want to go to a good school, have been going to a good school and now their education may be in trouble because...... the city wants more white children in the schools there.  

Now I don&#039;t mean to be all Michelle Bachman and inject venom into this debate, but the &quot;talks&quot; as described in the article points to this. Yes, I would love for people to send their kids back to DCPS (I graduated from Wilson myself). However I find it appaling that we would condone this strategy. &quot;White people flee the schools, parents of minorities try to find good schools for their kids... Kids become OOB at schools like Elington.... White people want to come back.... Minorities must go.&quot;

As far as the OOB kids will bring down their achievement is crap. When I was at Deal &amp; Wilson I performed very well. Were there bad students from OOB? Of course they were but I insure you if your kid is a &quot;high achiever&quot; they have nothing to worry about because how many bad kids or less achieving kids are taking advanced math/science and electives??? Go to an AP Physics class or Calculus class in DCPS, and tell me the demographics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid does have valid points, but the issue is the retrenchment of kids who want to go to a good school, have been going to a good school and now their education may be in trouble because...... the city wants more white children in the schools there.  </p>
<p>Now I don't mean to be all Michelle Bachman and inject venom into this debate, but the "talks" as described in the article points to this. Yes, I would love for people to send their kids back to DCPS (I graduated from Wilson myself). However I find it appaling that we would condone this strategy. "White people flee the schools, parents of minorities try to find good schools for their kids... Kids become OOB at schools like Elington.... White people want to come back.... Minorities must go."</p>
<p>As far as the OOB kids will bring down their achievement is crap. When I was at Deal &amp; Wilson I performed very well. Were there bad students from OOB? Of course they were but I insure you if your kid is a "high achiever" they have nothing to worry about because how many bad kids or less achieving kids are taking advanced math/science and electives??? Go to an AP Physics class or Calculus class in DCPS, and tell me the demographics.</p>
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		<title>By: downtown rez</title>
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		<dc:creator>downtown rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the school enrolled at capacity?</description>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s perhaps the most controversial thing about that article is the idea that to jump start the Janney-cycle they would start by cutting down on OOB kids. You could make an argument that increasing in-boundary kids is a net good thing, even if it limits OOB slots. But I think it&#039;s a lot more troubling to limit OOB slots &lt;i&gt;in order&lt;/i&gt; to increase in-boundary kids. That seems to be the (as of now unsubstantiated) accusation from Hardy parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What's perhaps the most controversial thing about that article is the idea that to jump start the Janney-cycle they would start by cutting down on OOB kids. You could make an argument that increasing in-boundary kids is a net good thing, even if it limits OOB slots. But I think it's a lot more troubling to limit OOB slots <i>in order</i> to increase in-boundary kids. That seems to be the (as of now unsubstantiated) accusation from Hardy parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike DeBonis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike DeBonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree that Reid really gets at the issues here. All would agree that getting more western ward parents to put their kids in DCPS. And many parents of elementary school kids already do. But so many peel off for the middle school and high school years. There is the perception that the OOB kids &quot;bring down&quot; the achievement of their own kids, especially once to get to middle school---to places like Hardy, Francis/Stevens, Lincoln, MacFarland, and (less so) Deal. Do you over come that by keeping OOB kids out at Hardy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree that Reid really gets at the issues here. All would agree that getting more western ward parents to put their kids in DCPS. And many parents of elementary school kids already do. But so many peel off for the middle school and high school years. There is the perception that the OOB kids "bring down" the achievement of their own kids, especially once to get to middle school---to places like Hardy, Francis/Stevens, Lincoln, MacFarland, and (less so) Deal. Do you over come that by keeping OOB kids out at Hardy?</p>
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		<title>By: Skipper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good analysis by Reid. If anything, it&#039;s a sign that Rhee has been successful in attracting the middle class families DCPS needs to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good analysis by Reid. If anything, it's a sign that Rhee has been successful in attracting the middle class families DCPS needs to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: downtown rez</title>
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		<dc:creator>downtown rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Franklin is neither large enough nor has any recreational facilities.
Does any other ward in the city lack a regular high school? How many non-traditional high schools does Ward 2 have?  Are School without Walls and Ellington it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Franklin is neither large enough nor has any recreational facilities.<br />
Does any other ward in the city lack a regular high school? How many non-traditional high schools does Ward 2 have?  Are School without Walls and Ellington it?</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s often hard to tell whether Al is kidding or not.

The issue of Hardy and Duke Ellington School is fascinating. You have increasing numbers of local residents who are choosing to send their kids to local schools. The only reason Hardy is full of out-of-boundary kids is that for decades there haven&#039;t been enough in-boundary kids to fill it. The result is that it&#039;s not really a local school but a magnet school. The question is, do we want more &quot;West of the Park&quot; families sending their kids to public schools? It would probably improve the student performance of DCPS and certainly improve the communal ties within the neighborhood. But it would necessarily displace some East of the Park kids who have escaped their own underperforming schools (or rather since once you&#039;re in a school you can&#039;t be kicked out, it would preempt the ability of some East of the Park kids from getting out of their underperforming schools).

There is no doubt that most West of the Park parents who send their kids to local public schools wish that more West of the Park parents would do the same. The sad fact is that the reason Janney is such a good school is because the neighborhood has bought into the school because it is a good school because the neighborhood bought into it because...It&#039;s a chicken and the egg problem. I can totally understand the anxiety of out-of-boundary parents that Rhee is trying to jump-start that cycle for Hardy. And the symbolism of &quot;re-creating&quot; Western High School, which was once a White-only high school, is particularly tricky. But in the end, wouldn&#039;t the better system be one that attracted all students, rich and poor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's often hard to tell whether Al is kidding or not.</p>
<p>The issue of Hardy and Duke Ellington School is fascinating. You have increasing numbers of local residents who are choosing to send their kids to local schools. The only reason Hardy is full of out-of-boundary kids is that for decades there haven't been enough in-boundary kids to fill it. The result is that it's not really a local school but a magnet school. The question is, do we want more "West of the Park" families sending their kids to public schools? It would probably improve the student performance of DCPS and certainly improve the communal ties within the neighborhood. But it would necessarily displace some East of the Park kids who have escaped their own underperforming schools (or rather since once you're in a school you can't be kicked out, it would preempt the ability of some East of the Park kids from getting out of their underperforming schools).</p>
<p>There is no doubt that most West of the Park parents who send their kids to local public schools wish that more West of the Park parents would do the same. The sad fact is that the reason Janney is such a good school is because the neighborhood has bought into the school because it is a good school because the neighborhood bought into it because...It's a chicken and the egg problem. I can totally understand the anxiety of out-of-boundary parents that Rhee is trying to jump-start that cycle for Hardy. And the symbolism of "re-creating" Western High School, which was once a White-only high school, is particularly tricky. But in the end, wouldn't the better system be one that attracted all students, rich and poor?</p>
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