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	<title>Comments on: Neighborhood Watch: Toddlers and Pitbulls and Astroturf, Oh My!</title>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/10/15/neighborhood-watch-toddlers-and-pitbulls-and-astroturf-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-670661</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at an ANC 2B meeting when the idea was being heavily advocated by a dog group two years ago. The group claimed 250+ members in the Dupont area.

How is 20 to 30 dogs in the park at a time a success according to Meehan when hew was THERE at the meeting when the advocates promised up and down that they would enforce  all the rules and the rule is 12 dogs max? That is a failure, not a success.

They had a paper organization that they claimed had a board, officers, meetings etc. Now that the number of dogs has become a pollution, smell and noise issue the solution they are offering is to blame it on children (WTF!) and to relax the rules they agreed to so the area wouldn&#039;t become the neighborhood nuisance that it has become.

Problem: People in there after 9 pm with scores of barking dogs? Dog park users&#039; proposed solution: make the hours later than they promised when neighborhood agree.

Problem: Dog OWNERS&#039; (and it is dog OWNERS bringing children) children being knocked over by dogs. Solution: Dog Park users&#039; solution blame Children.

Problem the place has too any dog and stinks: Dog Park users&#039; Solution, blame anyone but themselves.

Here is the REAL solution: Increase the dog license fee to $200 and actively check and FINE ANYONE with an unlicensed dog.

These dog parks are expensive use of limited city resources, I am sick of the whining by the owners. I used to eat lunch at my small local park. Due to the stink from dog urine and feces I can no longer eat lunch there.

I don&#039;t know where Meehan gets the idea it is agianst the rules for dogs to use &quot;children&#039;s parks&quot;. he means the very small portion in parks that are children playgrounds. People with dogs can enjoy 99% of the city parks, they just can&#039;t be unleashed. Peopel without children also can enjoy citi parks including playgorund areas.

The only exclusive use areas are the dog parks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at an ANC 2B meeting when the idea was being heavily advocated by a dog group two years ago. The group claimed 250+ members in the Dupont area.</p>
<p>How is 20 to 30 dogs in the park at a time a success according to Meehan when hew was THERE at the meeting when the advocates promised up and down that they would enforce  all the rules and the rule is 12 dogs max? That is a failure, not a success.</p>
<p>They had a paper organization that they claimed had a board, officers, meetings etc. Now that the number of dogs has become a pollution, smell and noise issue the solution they are offering is to blame it on children (WTF!) and to relax the rules they agreed to so the area wouldn't become the neighborhood nuisance that it has become.</p>
<p>Problem: People in there after 9 pm with scores of barking dogs? Dog park users' proposed solution: make the hours later than they promised when neighborhood agree.</p>
<p>Problem: Dog OWNERS' (and it is dog OWNERS bringing children) children being knocked over by dogs. Solution: Dog Park users' solution blame Children.</p>
<p>Problem the place has too any dog and stinks: Dog Park users' Solution, blame anyone but themselves.</p>
<p>Here is the REAL solution: Increase the dog license fee to $200 and actively check and FINE ANYONE with an unlicensed dog.</p>
<p>These dog parks are expensive use of limited city resources, I am sick of the whining by the owners. I used to eat lunch at my small local park. Due to the stink from dog urine and feces I can no longer eat lunch there.</p>
<p>I don't know where Meehan gets the idea it is agianst the rules for dogs to use "children's parks". he means the very small portion in parks that are children playgrounds. People with dogs can enjoy 99% of the city parks, they just can't be unleashed. Peopel without children also can enjoy citi parks including playgorund areas.</p>
<p>The only exclusive use areas are the dog parks.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original petition for the dog park states: “We do not believe that dogs are more important than people, but we do believe that dog owners are equal to other park patrons.&quot;

They clearly believe dogs are equal to children from the comments at the meeting.

Uhhm, Children are citizens, dogs are not. Children, and I mean other people&#039;s children are also explicit citizens and explicit responsibilities of the polis, when it comes to educations d common recreation facilities -- dogs and other animals are not.

Everyone who signed the petition got the use of parks paid for by the rest of citizenry when they were children. No dog grows up to be a tax paying citizen and pay for the next generation.

I don&#039;t have a dog or a child but I understand my responsibility as a taxpayer to provide schools and parks for children. I have no such responsibility to pay for the creation of exclusive use areas for dogs especially in limited public space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original petition for the dog park states: “We do not believe that dogs are more important than people, but we do believe that dog owners are equal to other park patrons."</p>
<p>They clearly believe dogs are equal to children from the comments at the meeting.</p>
<p>Uhhm, Children are citizens, dogs are not. Children, and I mean other people's children are also explicit citizens and explicit responsibilities of the polis, when it comes to educations d common recreation facilities -- dogs and other animals are not.</p>
<p>Everyone who signed the petition got the use of parks paid for by the rest of citizenry when they were children. No dog grows up to be a tax paying citizen and pay for the next generation.</p>
<p>I don't have a dog or a child but I understand my responsibility as a taxpayer to provide schools and parks for children. I have no such responsibility to pay for the creation of exclusive use areas for dogs especially in limited public space.</p>
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		<title>By: IMGoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMGoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one other small correction—it&#039;s S Street, not South Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one other small correction—it's S Street, not South Street.</p>
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		<title>By: dog guardian</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/10/15/neighborhood-watch-toddlers-and-pitbulls-and-astroturf-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-666250</link>
		<dc:creator>dog guardian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to say that when you don&#039;t pick up your dogs crap, then complain about stepping in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's easy to say that when you don't pick up your dogs crap, then complain about stepping in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Antoinette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Antoinette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh get over yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh get over yourself</p>
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		<title>By: dog guardian</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/10/15/neighborhood-watch-toddlers-and-pitbulls-and-astroturf-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-666229</link>
		<dc:creator>dog guardian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, you don&#039;t know the extent of my involvement with the organization past, present, or future.  Since, you know, you don&#039;t know who I am, how long I&#039;ve lived here, or my relationship to the board. 

As I said - I&#039;m happy to be part of an organized group with a plan.  Whenever such a group surfaces, I&#039;ll be there 110%.  Just not on the &#039;sign committee&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, you don't know the extent of my involvement with the organization past, present, or future.  Since, you know, you don't know who I am, how long I've lived here, or my relationship to the board. </p>
<p>As I said - I'm happy to be part of an organized group with a plan.  Whenever such a group surfaces, I'll be there 110%.  Just not on the 'sign committee'.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/10/15/neighborhood-watch-toddlers-and-pitbulls-and-astroturf-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-666214</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So that&#039;s a &quot;no&quot; then, dog guardian.  Claims that you &quot;really do care about the park,&quot; lots of advice and sharp criticism for the citizen org behind it, but a dodge (with some additional patronizing comments for the volunteers) when asked if you&#039;ll join them or help in any manner.

Only in DC, folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So that's a "no" then, dog guardian.  Claims that you "really do care about the park," lots of advice and sharp criticism for the citizen org behind it, but a dodge (with some additional patronizing comments for the volunteers) when asked if you'll join them or help in any manner.</p>
<p>Only in DC, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogs are nothing more than pests. They should be exterminated along with the common cockroach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogs are nothing more than pests. They should be exterminated along with the common cockroach.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/10/15/neighborhood-watch-toddlers-and-pitbulls-and-astroturf-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-666094</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay (I think) for using a picture of my dog playing with one of her best buds...and one that I took, no less!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay (I think) for using a picture of my dog playing with one of her best buds...and one that I took, no less!</p>
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		<title>By: dog guardian</title>
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		<dc:creator>dog guardian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think she means the urban park rangers.  They and a volunteer (not Circle Dogs) currently try to make it as close to open/close time as possible - the rangers have always been very nice when I&#039;ve run in to them.  

And I&#039;d love to get involved a coherent, transparent, well run (or at least organized) organization.  I won&#039;t hold my breath, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think she means the urban park rangers.  They and a volunteer (not Circle Dogs) currently try to make it as close to open/close time as possible - the rangers have always been very nice when I've run in to them.  </p>
<p>And I'd love to get involved a coherent, transparent, well run (or at least organized) organization.  I won't hold my breath, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Liebelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Liebelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction made, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction made, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: dog park boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dog park boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, as mentioned on Borderstan, there&#039;s a full set of rules on DPR&#039;s site:

http://dpr.dc.gov/dpr/cwp/view,A,1239,Q,637528.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, as mentioned on Borderstan, there's a full set of rules on DPR's site:</p>
<p><a href="http://dpr.dc.gov/dpr/cwp/view,A,1239,Q,637528.asp" rel="nofollow">http://dpr.dc.gov/dpr/cwp/view,A,1239,Q,637528.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: dcvoterboy</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/10/15/neighborhood-watch-toddlers-and-pitbulls-and-astroturf-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-666078</link>
		<dc:creator>dcvoterboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana can you explain what role the National Park Service has with a DC Department of Parks and Recreation park?  

The park is maintained by DPR, and the Park Rangers are DPR staff.  Please make the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana can you explain what role the National Park Service has with a DC Department of Parks and Recreation park?  </p>
<p>The park is maintained by DPR, and the Park Rangers are DPR staff.  Please make the correction.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, is that an offer to volunteer and help them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, is that an offer to volunteer and help them?</p>
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		<title>By: dog guardian</title>
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		<dc:creator>dog guardian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only is the 4 volunteer board too small, it seems they can&#039;t grasp what their responsibilities are enough to offer a game plan.  

Those of us who really do care about the park, dog behavior, and the neighborhood (you know, responsible dog owning neighbors) need to be part of an organization that has a plan.  I find it hard to believe that Circle Dogs formed on the day the park opened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only is the 4 volunteer board too small, it seems they can't grasp what their responsibilities are enough to offer a game plan.  </p>
<p>Those of us who really do care about the park, dog behavior, and the neighborhood (you know, responsible dog owning neighbors) need to be part of an organization that has a plan.  I find it hard to believe that Circle Dogs formed on the day the park opened.</p>
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