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	<title>Comments on: Dear VRE: Thanks for Letting Us Bring Our Guns on the Train</title>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jon
Right, just like no one was shot in DC during the 35 year gun ban.

I&#039;m no NRA member (never owned a gun and do support reasonable restrictions like registration and background checks) but the simple fact is that blanket gun bans have been tried and they don&#039;t work. Even if fewer guns would lead to less crime (a questionable assertion at best) laws which can&#039;t be uniformly enforced and, in practice, result in limiting gun ownership to those who are willing to break the law have been repeatedly shown not to lower violent crime rates.

When the Heller decision came down we heard the same dire blood in the streets, wild west style shootouts predictions we are hearing here yet now, over a year latter, there has not been a single incident of someone being shot with a handgun legally registered to a DC resident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jon<br />
Right, just like no one was shot in DC during the 35 year gun ban.</p>
<p>I'm no NRA member (never owned a gun and do support reasonable restrictions like registration and background checks) but the simple fact is that blanket gun bans have been tried and they don't work. Even if fewer guns would lead to less crime (a questionable assertion at best) laws which can't be uniformly enforced and, in practice, result in limiting gun ownership to those who are willing to break the law have been repeatedly shown not to lower violent crime rates.</p>
<p>When the Heller decision came down we heard the same dire blood in the streets, wild west style shootouts predictions we are hearing here yet now, over a year latter, there has not been a single incident of someone being shot with a handgun legally registered to a DC resident.</p>
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		<title>By: dcdc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcdc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,  think before you post.  Lots of people are licensed to carry in Va.  Please point to the last &quot;little old lady&quot; scenario that happened.

This is why the anti-gun movement has failed.  You cry &quot;blood in the streets&quot; at everything and undermine your cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,  think before you post.  Lots of people are licensed to carry in Va.  Please point to the last "little old lady" scenario that happened.</p>
<p>This is why the anti-gun movement has failed.  You cry "blood in the streets" at everything and undermine your cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We dont need to allow more people to tote guns around.  We need less guns.  What if some old lady who thinks she&#039;s being threatened pulls out her gun, closes her eyes and shoots an innocent person?  People, even the good law abiding citizens cannot be trusted to carry weapons like that around at any time.  That is what we have the police for.

What if you&#039;re having a bad day and someone harrasses you?  Maybe you just broke up with your girlfriend and you&#039;re really upset, get into an argument which leads to a fight.  Gun comes out and someone is hurt.  We as humans need to protect eachother from ourselves.  A normal good person can turn into a murderer just because they&#039;re having a bad day.

Just say YES to gun control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We dont need to allow more people to tote guns around.  We need less guns.  What if some old lady who thinks she's being threatened pulls out her gun, closes her eyes and shoots an innocent person?  People, even the good law abiding citizens cannot be trusted to carry weapons like that around at any time.  That is what we have the police for.</p>
<p>What if you're having a bad day and someone harrasses you?  Maybe you just broke up with your girlfriend and you're really upset, get into an argument which leads to a fight.  Gun comes out and someone is hurt.  We as humans need to protect eachother from ourselves.  A normal good person can turn into a murderer just because they're having a bad day.</p>
<p>Just say YES to gun control.</p>
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		<title>By: Typical DC BS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typical DC BS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, look at all the mayhem being caused by law-abiding citizens carrying guns around on Metro.  Typical idiotic comment by Chris Zimmerman of the People&#039;s Republic of Arlington.  Maybe he forgets he lives in Virginia and his weeny ideas don&#039;t play in the rest of the Commonwealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, look at all the mayhem being caused by law-abiding citizens carrying guns around on Metro.  Typical idiotic comment by Chris Zimmerman of the People's Republic of Arlington.  Maybe he forgets he lives in Virginia and his weeny ideas don't play in the rest of the Commonwealth.</p>
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		<title>By: TFred</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bing Bing Bing, what is the truly bad idea is that a deranged lunatic was allowed to leisurely board and ride a train, which was a government-mandated Gun Free, Sure Victim Zone, where he had free reign to casually walk up and down the aisle shooting defenseless, disarmed, innocent people at will.  How the gun-control idiots can live with themselves, knowing that they deprive law abiding citizens of the means to defend themselves from such monsters is beyond what I will ever be able to understand.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(convict)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bing Bing Bing, what is the truly bad idea is that a deranged lunatic was allowed to leisurely board and ride a train, which was a government-mandated Gun Free, Sure Victim Zone, where he had free reign to casually walk up and down the aisle shooting defenseless, disarmed, innocent people at will.  How the gun-control idiots can live with themselves, knowing that they deprive law abiding citizens of the means to defend themselves from such monsters is beyond what I will ever be able to understand.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(convict)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(convict)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Beaujon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Beaujon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you take samurai swords on the MARC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you take samurai swords on the MARC?</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bing Bing Bing - Good point.  Had it been legal, a gun carrying, law abiding citizen might have been on hand to stop the senseless killing.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/SHOT121_20090711-230802/279571/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bing Bing Bing - Good point.  Had it been legal, a gun carrying, law abiding citizen might have been on hand to stop the senseless killing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/SHOT121_20090711-230802/279571/" rel="nofollow">http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/SHOT121_20090711-230802/279571/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bing Bing Bing,

Yes, the gunman was clearly stopped by the fact that guns were illegal on the LIRR.

People who ask for the VRE to make it legal to carry their weapons (for which they have permits) are not the ones we need to worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bing Bing Bing,</p>
<p>Yes, the gunman was clearly stopped by the fact that guns were illegal on the LIRR.</p>
<p>People who ask for the VRE to make it legal to carry their weapons (for which they have permits) are not the ones we need to worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: Bing Bing Bing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bing Bing Bing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you asked, this is why a weapon on the train is a bad idea:
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/08/nyregion/gunman-kills-5-on-lirr-train-19-are-wounded.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you asked, this is why a weapon on the train is a bad idea:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/08/nyregion/gunman-kills-5-on-lirr-train-19-are-wounded.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/08/nyregion/gunman-kills-5-on-lirr-train-19-are-wounded.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta agree with the dude above me. While the sarcasm is moderately appreciated, I don&#039;t really see why this is even really newsworthy. Should we OMGZ stop the presses because it&#039;s legal to carry on the Metro in Virginia? Because it is.

I&#039;m guessing there will be about 2 people who actually carry a concealed weapon on the VRE. I&#039;d be curious as to why, exactly, carrying a concealed weapon on a train is a bad idea. Why is it any worse of an idea than carrying it in a crowded movie theatre or just in a crowd on the sidewalk.

I don&#039;t get all the hubub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta agree with the dude above me. While the sarcasm is moderately appreciated, I don't really see why this is even really newsworthy. Should we OMGZ stop the presses because it's legal to carry on the Metro in Virginia? Because it is.</p>
<p>I'm guessing there will be about 2 people who actually carry a concealed weapon on the VRE. I'd be curious as to why, exactly, carrying a concealed weapon on a train is a bad idea. Why is it any worse of an idea than carrying it in a crowded movie theatre or just in a crowd on the sidewalk.</p>
<p>I don't get all the hubub.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really not up to VRE.  Virginia preemption laws prevent &#039;agencies&#039; in VA from creating laws/regulations/rules which are in conflict with VA&#039;s existing firearm laws.  They were simply taking an illegal (or unenforceable ) regulation off the books.

Were VRE to go totally private, and source its own funding, they would be welcome to enact any and all regulations regarding firearms that they pleased.  Perhaps they should up ticket prices and quit taking so much $$$ out of the pockets of VA tax payers?


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    § 15.2-915. Control of firearms; applicability to authorities and local governmental agencies.

A. No locality shall adopt or enforce any ordinance, resolution or motion, as permitted by § 15.2-1425, and no agent of such locality shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, storage or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof other than those expressly authorized by statute. For purposes of this section, a statute that does not refer to firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, shall not be construed to provide express authorization.

Nothing in this section shall prohibit a locality from adopting workplace rules relating to terms and conditions of employment of the workforce. Nothing in this section shall prohibit a law-enforcement officer, as defined in § 9.1-101 from acting within the scope of his duties.

The provisions of this section applicable to a locality shall also apply to any authority or to a local governmental entity, including a department or agency, but not including any local or regional jail or juvenile detention facility.

B. Any local ordinance, resolution or motion adopted prior to the effective date of this act governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, other than those expressly authorized by statute, is invalid.

(1987, c. 629, § 15.1-29.15; 1988, c. 392; 1997, cc. 550, 587; 2002, c. 484; 2003, c. 943; 2004, cc. 837, 923.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's really not up to VRE.  Virginia preemption laws prevent 'agencies' in VA from creating laws/regulations/rules which are in conflict with VA's existing firearm laws.  They were simply taking an illegal (or unenforceable ) regulation off the books.</p>
<p>Were VRE to go totally private, and source its own funding, they would be welcome to enact any and all regulations regarding firearms that they pleased.  Perhaps they should up ticket prices and quit taking so much $$$ out of the pockets of VA tax payers?</p>
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<p>    § 15.2-915. Control of firearms; applicability to authorities and local governmental agencies.</p>
<p>A. No locality shall adopt or enforce any ordinance, resolution or motion, as permitted by § 15.2-1425, and no agent of such locality shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, storage or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof other than those expressly authorized by statute. For purposes of this section, a statute that does not refer to firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, shall not be construed to provide express authorization.</p>
<p>Nothing in this section shall prohibit a locality from adopting workplace rules relating to terms and conditions of employment of the workforce. Nothing in this section shall prohibit a law-enforcement officer, as defined in § 9.1-101 from acting within the scope of his duties.</p>
<p>The provisions of this section applicable to a locality shall also apply to any authority or to a local governmental entity, including a department or agency, but not including any local or regional jail or juvenile detention facility.</p>
<p>B. Any local ordinance, resolution or motion adopted prior to the effective date of this act governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, other than those expressly authorized by statute, is invalid.</p>
<p>(1987, c. 629, § 15.1-29.15; 1988, c. 392; 1997, cc. 550, 587; 2002, c. 484; 2003, c. 943; 2004, cc. 837, 923.)</p>
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