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	<title>Comments on: The Annie Le Media Fest: It&#8217;s Not Just About the Ivies</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a play I saw about a murder of an undergrad at Yale University in the 1960&#039;s and you probably wouldn&#039;t guess who the killers are.  None other than George Bush and his Skull and Bones pal John Kerry.  (She&#039;s white, though.) I think it&#039;s called The Yale Diaries?  Anyway, I thought it very prescient of the writer to have written it and then lo and behold, here we are seeing it on the news.  It&#039;s like the exact opposite of Law &amp; Order &quot;ripped from the headlines&quot; type episodes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a play I saw about a murder of an undergrad at Yale University in the 1960's and you probably wouldn't guess who the killers are.  None other than George Bush and his Skull and Bones pal John Kerry.  (She's white, though.) I think it's called The Yale Diaries?  Anyway, I thought it very prescient of the writer to have written it and then lo and behold, here we are seeing it on the news.  It's like the exact opposite of Law &amp; Order "ripped from the headlines" type episodes.</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shockedin09 - Perhaps you should try taking a few courses in Asian American studies and compare definitive facts rather than making generalizations.

The Model Minority stereotype is a myth.  If this stereotype were true then why is it that average Asian American&#039;s income is far less than that of their white colleagues?  In fact, this stereotype is quite dangerous because the actual statistics shows us that there are many more Asian Americans who fall under the poverty line than most of us would imagine.  Also, your reference of figure skaters is extremely faulty.  In ANY competition there will be fans on opposing sides so your example doesn&#039;t substantiate much of anything.

A better gauge of Asian American acceptance is in the media itself.  When is the last time you saw a mainstream movie with a leading Asian American that didn&#039;t have some stereotypical character?  The average (non-Asian) American does not make a distinction between someone who is from Asia and someone who is Asian American so Asians are far from being viewed as white.  Perhaps, Asians are generalized as being more compliant and studious but certainly not white.  Even if we were to go by the Model Minority standard, it&#039;s predominantly accepted as an East Asian (Japan, China and Korea) archetype.  Which would not even apply to Annie Le since she is Vietnamese and although she attended Yale, I read that she came from a modest background and was awarded a scholarship.

There also have been plenty of Asian Americans (as well as other minorities) murdered that have not made the national headlines.  As far as I can remember, this is the first time I&#039;ve seen an Asian American get this kind of coverage.    

Although... all of this is pointless because no matter how much people try to sensationalize this or any other senseless killing, the fact remains that someone (a human being) was brutally murdered and their friends and families have to cope with it so I don&#039;t believe trying to understand and sympathize is misguided or unreasonable.


... any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.  -John Donne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shockedin09 - Perhaps you should try taking a few courses in Asian American studies and compare definitive facts rather than making generalizations.</p>
<p>The Model Minority stereotype is a myth.  If this stereotype were true then why is it that average Asian American's income is far less than that of their white colleagues?  In fact, this stereotype is quite dangerous because the actual statistics shows us that there are many more Asian Americans who fall under the poverty line than most of us would imagine.  Also, your reference of figure skaters is extremely faulty.  In ANY competition there will be fans on opposing sides so your example doesn't substantiate much of anything.</p>
<p>A better gauge of Asian American acceptance is in the media itself.  When is the last time you saw a mainstream movie with a leading Asian American that didn't have some stereotypical character?  The average (non-Asian) American does not make a distinction between someone who is from Asia and someone who is Asian American so Asians are far from being viewed as white.  Perhaps, Asians are generalized as being more compliant and studious but certainly not white.  Even if we were to go by the Model Minority standard, it's predominantly accepted as an East Asian (Japan, China and Korea) archetype.  Which would not even apply to Annie Le since she is Vietnamese and although she attended Yale, I read that she came from a modest background and was awarded a scholarship.</p>
<p>There also have been plenty of Asian Americans (as well as other minorities) murdered that have not made the national headlines.  As far as I can remember, this is the first time I've seen an Asian American get this kind of coverage.    </p>
<p>Although... all of this is pointless because no matter how much people try to sensationalize this or any other senseless killing, the fact remains that someone (a human being) was brutally murdered and their friends and families have to cope with it so I don't believe trying to understand and sympathize is misguided or unreasonable.</p>
<p>... any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.  -John Donne</p>
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		<title>By: Shockedin09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shockedin09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KCinDC - Asians, being the so-called &quot;Model Minority&quot; - are regarded more highly than certain other minorities.  As politically-incorrect&quot; that sounds, my statement holds true in countless situations.  In many circumstances, the &quot;mainstream&quot; gives Asians &quot;equivalent&quot; status as white people.  (For ex., look at how revered the figure skater Michelle Kwan is.  Her enormous popularity is/was such that people actually resent Tara Lipinski - a *white* figure skater - for beating Kwan at the 1998 Olympics.  That dynamic spoke volumes about how America can embrace the &quot;Model Minority&quot;.  

If you &quot;cloned&quot; a skater with Kwan&#039;s identical personality and identical credentials - but made her African-American instead of Asian-American - you would see a much less appreciative response to that skater.  That skater wouldn&#039;t be granted such lofty accolades as Michelle has.)

So, in a large sense, you are correct.  Broadly-speaking, Asians do &quot;count&quot; as white.  And in this case, it certainly didn&#039;t hurt that Annie Le was pretty, brilliant - and was on the verge of marrying a white/Jewish man.  She was a sympathetic and embracable figure - and the story of her murder was seen as worthy of extensive national coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KCinDC - Asians, being the so-called "Model Minority" - are regarded more highly than certain other minorities.  As politically-incorrect" that sounds, my statement holds true in countless situations.  In many circumstances, the "mainstream" gives Asians "equivalent" status as white people.  (For ex., look at how revered the figure skater Michelle Kwan is.  Her enormous popularity is/was such that people actually resent Tara Lipinski - a *white* figure skater - for beating Kwan at the 1998 Olympics.  That dynamic spoke volumes about how America can embrace the "Model Minority".  </p>
<p>If you "cloned" a skater with Kwan's identical personality and identical credentials - but made her African-American instead of Asian-American - you would see a much less appreciative response to that skater.  That skater wouldn't be granted such lofty accolades as Michelle has.)</p>
<p>So, in a large sense, you are correct.  Broadly-speaking, Asians do "count" as white.  And in this case, it certainly didn't hurt that Annie Le was pretty, brilliant - and was on the verge of marrying a white/Jewish man.  She was a sympathetic and embracable figure - and the story of her murder was seen as worthy of extensive national coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Natalee Holloway case was kinda ridiculous.  An unattractive southern rich white girl went off with three men she didn&#039;t know, most likely in a drunken and drugged haze.  She might have been killed, or drowned herself because she was high.  The lesson is probably to teach young girls common sense; it&#039;s ok to enjoy yourself, but at least with a sober mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Natalee Holloway case was kinda ridiculous.  An unattractive southern rich white girl went off with three men she didn't know, most likely in a drunken and drugged haze.  She might have been killed, or drowned herself because she was high.  The lesson is probably to teach young girls common sense; it's ok to enjoy yourself, but at least with a sober mind.</p>
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		<title>By: KCinDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KCinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose, do Asians count as white now?

What I was puzzled by was the way NPR yesterday went on and on about security at research labs. If she was killed by someone who worked in her lab, then the security system was irrelevant. Should there be constantly monitored cameras in the labs themselves, with panic buttons, just in case an authorized person attacks a co-worker? Should we have that in non-research workplaces as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, do Asians count as white now?</p>
<p>What I was puzzled by was the way NPR yesterday went on and on about security at research labs. If she was killed by someone who worked in her lab, then the security system was irrelevant. Should there be constantly monitored cameras in the labs themselves, with panic buttons, just in case an authorized person attacks a co-worker? Should we have that in non-research workplaces as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike DeBonis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike DeBonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to admit, Jeffrey Dahmer set the standard awfully high for Milwaukee serial killers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to admit, Jeffrey Dahmer set the standard awfully high for Milwaukee serial killers...</p>
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		<title>By: whet moser</title>
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		<dc:creator>whet moser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Mike DeBonis - there are enough dog-bites-man elements that I get the coverage (and am interested in the story myself).

The non-attention-getting story that surprised me the most was the Milwaukee serial killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm with Mike DeBonis - there are enough dog-bites-man elements that I get the coverage (and am interested in the story myself).</p>
<p>The non-attention-getting story that surprised me the most was the Milwaukee serial killer.</p>
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		<title>By: Belinda Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belinda Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Bonnie Garland (Yale student, white girl, affluent family) was murdered by her Yale educated poor Latino boyfriend, Yale rallied around him. He got 17 years for a hammer murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Bonnie Garland (Yale student, white girl, affluent family) was murdered by her Yale educated poor Latino boyfriend, Yale rallied around him. He got 17 years for a hammer murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what about that University of Vermont student (Michelle Gardner-Quinn) who was kidnapped and found dead along a hiking trail?  She received lots of media coverage, and rightfully so, because it was a horrific tragedy.  Murder is always going to cause a stir, especially in places you would least expect it to happen.

And let&#039;s not forget the ridiculous amount of coverage that Natalie Holloway received or even that woman who faked her own kidnapping, Jennifer Wilbanks.. hey maybe you can do an editorial about America&#039;s love affair with &quot;the missing pretty white girl&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what about that University of Vermont student (Michelle Gardner-Quinn) who was kidnapped and found dead along a hiking trail?  She received lots of media coverage, and rightfully so, because it was a horrific tragedy.  Murder is always going to cause a stir, especially in places you would least expect it to happen.</p>
<p>And let's not forget the ridiculous amount of coverage that Natalie Holloway received or even that woman who faked her own kidnapping, Jennifer Wilbanks.. hey maybe you can do an editorial about America's love affair with "the missing pretty white girl".</p>
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		<title>By: Mike DeBonis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike DeBonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was most fascinated by the strangeness of the circumstances---that she went into the building and never came out and no one could find her inside for days. That it was a Yale laboratory? Whatev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was most fascinated by the strangeness of the circumstances---that she went into the building and never came out and no one could find her inside for days. That it was a Yale laboratory? Whatev.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that I think this is much more about the fact that it was her wedding day rather than the fact that it&#039;s an Ivy League incident.  People felt like it was another runaway bride story, and then were saddened to find out that she was actually murdered.

The fact that both the accused and the victim were so young also helped fan the flames.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that I think this is much more about the fact that it was her wedding day rather than the fact that it's an Ivy League incident.  People felt like it was another runaway bride story, and then were saddened to find out that she was actually murdered.</p>
<p>The fact that both the accused and the victim were so young also helped fan the flames.</p>
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		<title>By: Leyda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leyda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d been following the Annie Le story since her disappearance-- it was unfolding as I sought to find out more about the story.  Her wedding was days away; her body was found on her wedding day.

Of course we&#039;re paying attention.  I didn&#039;t even really care that she went to Yale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd been following the Annie Le story since her disappearance-- it was unfolding as I sought to find out more about the story.  Her wedding was days away; her body was found on her wedding day.</p>
<p>Of course we're paying attention.  I didn't even really care that she went to Yale.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kolowich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Kolowich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: your final ha-tip, Ted: 
Outside the top editorial brass, you can add columnists Timothy Noah (Harvard), Dahlia Lithwick (Yale), Emily Bazelon (Yale), Ron Rosenbaum (Yale), Anne Applebaum (Yale), Daniel Gross (Cornell and Harvard).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: your final ha-tip, Ted:<br />
Outside the top editorial brass, you can add columnists Timothy Noah (Harvard), Dahlia Lithwick (Yale), Emily Bazelon (Yale), Ron Rosenbaum (Yale), Anne Applebaum (Yale), Daniel Gross (Cornell and Harvard).</p>
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