Art Monk and Charles Mann Sell Former City Property for Millions, Bail On Anacostia Job Training Center
A decade ago, Art Monk and Charles Mann came to a neighborhood meeting in Anacostia and said they were going to open a job training center in one of the city's neediest neighborhoods.
They never followed through on that pledge.
The former Redskins raised millions of dollars, both in federal grants and private donations, after saying they would locate the center at the old Carver Theatre building.
The DC Government gave control of the property, at 2405 Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue SE, to the Good Samaritan Foundation, a non-profit group fronted by Monk and Mann, in the belief that it would house the job training operation.
After initially leasing the historic theater site to the foundation, the city sold it outright to Monk and Mann's group in 2004 for $255,235.
For years before and after the sale, the old theater lot sat vacant, despite all the do-gooder dollars thrown at it.
Neighborhood leaders wondered why such a prime real estate location, near the Metro stop and on the main drag in the business district, went unused and was left to go to seed.
The Good Samaritan Foundation held at least three groundbreaking ceremonies at the site, and put on several fundraising galas and celebrity golf tournaments, with proceeds allegedly earmarked to pay for the job training center.
Construction on the theater stopped and started many times. And through it all, group officials, including the ex-Redskins, insisted the opening of the training center was imminent.
But it never opened.
And it never will. The Howard Road Academy, a public charter school, now houses its middle school campus in the Carver Theatre building. The school newsletter says it opened for classes there last week, with 130 students.
And, according to the school's business office, Howard Road Academy now owns the building.
Earl Murray, president of the Howard Road Academy's board of trustees, says the school paid "just under $3 million" to the Good Samaritan Foundation this summer to buy the site.
"It's a great location," says Murray. "We were looking to expand in the neighborhood, and they were looking for a buyer."
Neither Monk nor Mann have anything to do with the school, Murray says.
The Good Samaritan Foundation is no longer in operation. Monk and Mann now front a group called the Youth Power Center.
So, what happened to the job training center that was promised to the neighborhood by Monk and Mann in 1999?
What happened to the millions of dollars of taxpayers and golfers' money given to Monk and Mann specifically to make the promised job training center happen?
Will that money be returned now that, by all appearances, the Good Samaritan Foundation cashed out on its real estate investment in Anacostia?
What happened?
Cheap Seats Daily is awaiting calls from the Youth Power Center.
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9:04 pm
Last IRS filings seem to evaporate in 12/2007. They have been listed as exempt from submitting IRS for 990 due to income less than $25,000. No updates for FY 2008 as yet.
http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/PubApps/showVals.php?ft=bmf&ein=521999427
http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=305897
The are listed as non-profit witht the IRS and are an actively registered DC Corporation:
http://mblr.dc.gov/corp/lookup/status.asp?id=195493
4:39 am
This really burns me up. For all the complaining, whining and outrage that happens in the community no one is really watching the store. This is outrageous but not suprising. The city should demand every single dollar of their money back and so should anyone who made a donation to this group but honestly and truly who is suprised by this? The years of inaction should have been a tipoff. This group was merely a tax shelter and an opportunity for some positive press and they pressed it all the way to the bank. I think we will see more of this as the community progresses - lax landlords and property owners cashing in big.
9:55 am
What about what these clowns, Monk and Mann, did to the residents of the Sursum Corda Cooperative. In 2005, they were brought in to help save the community from a foreclosure, but instead brought in a shifty developer from Virginia (who tried to cheat the residents out of their property) and wanted millions in return for this "service". The deal with that developer fell through, but Monk, Mann, and Daryl Green (MGM Group), still want $1 million dollars from the community while the developer, Kettler, wants almost $6 million for "managing" the property for the last three years. A bunch of crooks who uses their local "celebrity" to cheat people...
10:19 am
What a shame!!! and they are supposed to be god fearing good christian men.
11:11 am
Let's see how long it takes for this to be forgotten. As it happened in SE, look for Mayor-for-Life Marion Barry to harrumph and call for someone other than him to investigate. Just more money wasted when it could have been given to organizations already active in the community that help residents directly.
11:14 am
The funny thing is that they used that same platform, being good Christian men, to win over the hearts of the residents of Sursum, who saw them as a Godsend during that period of foreclosure. They would begin every meeting with a prayer led by Green, who is an ordained minister, and they would literally ask God to help broker a good deal. It was such a joke and when people spoke out against them, they used their position and high moral character to belittle and discredit their naysayers. Their business practices were always questionable but no one spoke up against them...
4:50 pm
These guys were raising money to keep the programs going and the city did not give them anything other than grants to service young people at Anacostia High School. This fell horribly because the city let them believe they could get started on development when they identified the building and changed their mind. The city gave them no money to get this done and the years of deliberating brought the program to its knees. I dont know what happened at Sursum Corda but these guys used their celebrity to try and make a difference and in all honesty why in the hell would they do things to tarnish their names after years of being upstanding true role models for youth. Ask the young people,ask the families and stop this hear say.
6:33 pm
The Kid is right. Were Monk and Mann contacted for comment on this story? I'm familiar with The Good Samaritan Foundation, having attended awards ceremonies and contributed to fundraising events they sponsored. These men are good, kind, honest people who have mentored inner city kids and served as role models to teens that lacked caring adults to show them the way. I refuse to believe, as this story implies, that Monk and Mann did anything shady or personally profited from their activities.
11:27 pm
Well, I hope there's more to the story. This is SO DISAPPOINTING though. The whole region loved those guys.
10:24 am
The foundation that they founded sold a building for a pretty hefty price after getting for a huge discount from the City based on promises they did not deliver on. Now, however you slice it, that seems less Samaritan and more Capitalistic. Whatever they did, actually didn't do, at Sursum (using their "Celebrity") wasn't to make a difference but a profit. They stopped attending meetings to help the residents out when their profit potential dimmed. And when called upon to help by the Community against concerns with the tactics implored by the Kettler, they ignored them and instead sided with Kettler on condition that they receive at least $1 million for their "celebrity" assistance.
In this instance, what happened to all the money they raised for this project? These guys have multiple companies, dig deeper and see who got subcontractor gigs with the numerous costs overruns associated with this project. Stop being naive and believing that these guys aren't human as well...
10:27 am
Another Charter school on MLK Ave? How does this fit into the master revitalization plan for amentities/business in this area? We have too many schools, between Thurgood, Birney, Savoy.....
I don't blame Howard Academy, as this was good deal at a prime location with ongoing revitalization and they jumped on it.
I see it as awkward for the area. Just my thoughts...
Yes, the former Redskins nade out pretty good with this BUSINESS transaction.
12:46 pm
Wow.... I wonder how much actual investigation went into this piece of unproven journalism?!
Again, we have some 'make a name for myself' journalist throwing out opinion, making broad assumptions about reality and tossing out incomplete information in an attempt to be some do gooder whistleblower.
I would like to ask the writer: Do you have any direct knowledge here buddy? Were you privy to private meetings between Mr.Monk and Mr. Mann and the city? Do you know all the details of how and when things got to the final ending point? Do you really KNOW anything, or are you trying to act like you do?
HERES THE KICKER: "cheapseatsdaily" is awaiting calls from Youth Power Center"....
did i read that right? Maybe you should have called them BEFORE going public with a piece of opinionated and accusatory drivel. Due Diligence is called professionalism, try it out sometime!!!!
Hope the slander/libel suit doesnt hit ya in the rear end on your way out the door tonight!!
1:40 pm
don't be such a tool, charles. art monk and charles mann made promises and pledges about the building during ten years of fundraising campaigns. and, now we know there won't ever be a building. neither art monk nor charles mann made any statement after the carver theatre site, the focus of 10 years of their promises and pledges, was sold for $3 million. why is that, Charles? the sale wasn't even mentioned on the good samaritan foundation web site, charles. or on the web site of the new non-profit art monk and charles mann started around the time they were trying to get rid of the carver theatre building. why weren't any anacostia community leaders told of the $3 million sale, charles? do the math, charles. and if you find that millions of dollars in federal grants and charitable donations directed for the group's building project -- a lot of that's yours and my tax dollars -- didn't go to waste, get back to me. i'm betting i won't hear back, charles.
but thanks for Playing the Feud!
2:37 pm
You simply respond to my questions for you with rhetorical questions for me...hmmm...interesting. I can read, I know all the questions you raise have merit and deserve an answer and I would agree people deserve an answer. HOWEVER:
I'd still like to know who on earth appointed you to moran protector here and what exactly entitles you to write scathing comments that reflect poorly on the character of individuals without KNOWING all the facts. AGAIN, you have provided food for thought, questions needing answers, but in asking these, you have potentially tainted the reputations of INDIVIDUALS without knowing if it is warranted. YOU ARE STILL MAKING ASSUMPTIONS.
Assumption: If they sold it for $3million dollars---then they MUST have pocketed big coin from it...
.. and I'd ask you...how in the **** do you know they benefited at all? Are you privy to their financial records? Do you have a record of where the money went? How much they owed on the property to other investors?
No and NO.
It just feels to me like you have motivation outside of being a 'good guy' or exposing some injustice that MAY have occured. Clearly this would be a large feather in your cap- to "expose" and tarnish the reputations of pillars of the community might get you some publicity I bet huh? Probably more than a 'blogger' might normally get...maybe as much as a real journalist that works for a real journalistic institution.
I hope to GOD you are wrong, because if you are right, then clearly you have done the community a service of sorts, and that would be respectable if true.SOOOOO...
I look forward to Mr. Mann and Mr. Monk getting wind of these accusations and promptly defending themselves with the swiftness that you have made these same accusations with. I hope they prove you wrong. I hope that they have the opportunity to do so in the same type of public fashion that you have chosen. I hope that when it is proven that they have done nothing unethical, that we will see some type of apologetic response from you.
BTW- if the city SOLD you a used car for 2,000.00 so that you could use it for, say, delivering meals to the homeless, and you BUY it and then in fact realize you do not have the additional support and/or resources to do what you said you were going to do with that car....are you obligated to then call them and ask if they want it back? You think they are within their rights to ask for or expect it be GIVEN back after you technically bought it in the first place? Was the city going to buy the building back if the original plan could not be achieved afterall? I bet not Sir!
Your logic is just twisted. You think men with repuations spanning 25 years in this community, who go to church here, who operate a business here, who take pride in what their names mean here, and who have friends at numerous levels and partitions of society here would do something that sooo blatently begs for attention of a negative variety? That just doesnt add up at all and you know it. Maybe thats why you keep asking the ugly questions instead of actually providing facts, facts that may actually come back to make you look very foolish.
I hope you have a good lawyer...I'm feeling you might need one soon.....I'd be paying real close attention these next couple days and what explanations might be coming from these guys, I'm sure they wont be taking this lightly, and if they have good ones, you might ought to get your resume out! Do 'bloggers' even get paid?
2:59 pm
Charles W(Williams) of the MGM Group, how the hell are you buddy? Oh yeah, MGM stands for Monk Green Mann, the three principals of the group. No wonder you're fighting this so hard, it's your bread and butter on the line huh? The scam this clowns put on is just great. Pillars of the community? Nice one, that's just terrific. Years of milking their mini-celebrity in the City has made them rich, but that greed will be their undoing. Lawyer up, Dave does his due diligence, so he doesn't have anything to worry about. His "slant" exists because Monk and Mann is not willing to go on record about this insane windfall they made. What was your cut? I do hope you are doing ok though and see you in church on Sunday, Rev. Daryl's sermon on Jesus and Mammon.
3:22 pm
Wow sorry to tell ya BUT......wrong person BillyBobBush. I am in no way associated with any MGM Group and I sure don't have any details or information about this situation. I am just standing up for the good old American principle of INNOCENT until proven guilty. If I were the guy you think- I'm sure I'd be staying out of the fray and not debating this with someone I wouldnt need to answer to in the first place.
I don't know any of the details here BBB, just seems the writer might not know as much as he thinks either. LIKE I SAID, if you had read carefully, "these questions deserve answers"..I just highly doubt the answers are going to support his position. If they do, then let the chips fall where they may.
I beleive all injustices should be corrected in life. Again, i just wonder if the writer of this "article" has uncovered an injustice...or truly just committed one of his own by making what may be unjustified claims at impropriety.
Until proven otherwise, these men remain Pillars of the community and deserve the same respect the rest of us should have....the respect of being provided the opportunity to face your accuser. Right now this "blogger" is just a faceless muckraker to me, hiding behind his little blog and stiring up any drama he can to further make a name for himself. if he is proven right...I will gladly stand corrected and be as appauled as the rest of you.
4:13 pm
I'll call your bullshit Charles. Monk and Mann aren't under arrest, so "innocent" until proven guilty doesn't seem applicable. Something weighing on your conscience there buddy? Ok, so I'll pretend you're not associated with them, but have one comment/question combo for you. These guys, pillars of the community (though none of them live in the District), are known for their Fentyish ability to hold public ceremonies, ribbon cuttings, news conference, whatever. If something the City did to stop them or hinder the progress of the Center, why didn't they use their celebrity to address this? Why a secretive transaction with no open disclosures by guys who love the camera and use it frequently? Ok, that was two questions, but come on Charles, I know you're the brains behind these guys, explain it to us.
4:32 pm
Charles:i've been writing basically the same story about the good samaritan foundation for years. over that time, i've been told many things by people at every level of the organization that were misleading and turned out not to be true. then board member mindy lyle recently complained that i should stop writing about the building and write positive stories about the group. I asked her who i could call to confirm her tales of the group's good deeds, so i could get them in a story, and lyle said "i'm not giving any names of children," which was a hilarious and bogus statement, considering that the stories lyle was telling me (about a kid going to stanford and a kid becoming salutatorian after going through the good samaritan program) are the exact same tales that this organization has been using in newsletters to raise funds for at least six years, so nobody's a child any more. i'm not saying these stories aren't true, i'm saying i have no idea if they're true or not, and even if they are the lack of transparency in this group's operations is, at best, maddening. i chose to write mainly about the training center in anacostia, because that's what charles mann and art monk promised the people of anacostia 10 years ago, and that's what they talked about most when raising millions of dollars in government money and charitable contributions. all the money figures i wrote about came from government documents or the group's own press releases. again, charles, do the math. also, here's some links below to stories i've written about the good samaritan foundation/youth power center. if you have any information to correct what i have written, please pass it along.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=37864
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=36129
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=34532
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=32596&utm_source=inform&utm_medium=hibox&utm_campaign=InformBox
4:45 pm
Nope....sorry buddy...get your fingers out of your ears..... I have as much to do with this as you do...nothing. You can continue to think whatever you want but clearly if you are as intelligent as you think you are, you'd be smart enough to know no one associated with this in any way would be discussing it publicly with people like yourself that have no stake in the matters at hand. I am just a citizen like you and Charles isnt my real name anymore than BillyBobbush is yours....gee imagine that...you arent the only one creative enough to use an alias while posting. WOW.
and let me give you a little history lesson/reality check. INNOCENT until proven guilty is without a doubt applied to legal issues not civil issues.... HOWEVER...the spirit of humanity as a whole should be that ALL individuals are entitled to such rights and respect.
NOT ALL WHITES ARE RACIST
NOT ALL BLACKS ARE IN PRISON
NOT ALL HISPANICS HOPPED A BORDER TO GET HERE
and not all stories have ONE F*CKING SIDE like this writer and now you also have implied here. My point remains factual and correct.
YOU KNOW NO FACTS
THE DOUCHE THAT WROTE THIS CRAP KNOWS NO FACTS
and both of you have your fingers stuffed so far in your ears to hear other possible explanations for this.
get over it anyway..... no one gives a flying f*ck what you or I think to begin with.
4:56 pm
And I gladly rescind any useless name calling directed at the writer....his response above to my posts... is fair and an adequate explanation of his intentions in writing the piece. I may not agree with him, and I am certainly not a TOOL for having a different opinion, but I understand where he his coming from now.
BillyBobBush- you however are an idiot sir. I have read some of your other mindless ramblings on here on other issues and truly...you are a putz. Enjoy your penthouse apartment buddy, Im sure it's as nice as your Bentley and your million dollar bank account.
5:01 pm
Charles: so i'm not a douche anymore? dang! that's the first time in my life i've been de-douched. color me speechless.
but, please, as i step aside, you and BillyBobBush continue to Play the Feud!
10:01 am
I want to continue playing. Come on Charles, this will be fun. You made millions with these crooks over the years, humor us a little more. Continue claiming that you are not associated with them and that you have no reason to give explanations to the sorts like me, and then explain why and how the guys are so blameless, innocent and pillars of the community. I never stated in any post that I drove (actually, I'm driven in) a bentley and the only person who knows that I drive one is actually, Charles Williams of the MGM group. But, aside from that little slip up buddy, let's continue. You obviously know who I am and I obviously know who you are. I will stop bashing them (well, really, just pointing out the obvious), if you can give legitimate reasons why not to. What have they really done? Like the peaceholics, they have been nothing but a leech on society, leveraging this contacts to milk the city dry. They've used this model over and over again and have never committed any personal funds to even their own charities. So tell me Charles, all the talk about what you guys have done, yet when it comes to proving what you guys have done, you point to all that you guys have done. You see my point. But, I guess since I'm an idiot putz or a putzed idiot, I might be a little off. Also, my name is William Robert, Bush, ah, well, I have to pay homage to my hero someone...
12:08 pm
My point was I am not who you think I am, and I am in no way associated with this. You are as dumb as a box of rocks apparently, or just plain stubborn beyond belief.
I was being sarcastic when I talked about the Bentley dude, because I was lmao when you told the other blogger re: east river article, that you lived in a penthouse apartment. I seriously doubt that- based on the langauage and attitude you exhibit- you live anywhere near a penthouse,,,, and a bentley--- come now....that and the million dollar bank account were a joke psycho.
You can be whoever the hell you want to be. I dont care what your f*cking name is or anything else about it. And I am done talking about this. These guys can answer for themselves anyway I;m sure.....
for once Id just like to see people being given the benefit of the doubt.....whether they deserve it or not in the end is TBD....
Im sure if you feel so strongly about it, maybe you should take the time to speak to them personally since you claim to be so "in the know" about their personal affairs.
driven in a bentley.....yeah ok ......you are either driving the bentley for someone else, or someone is driving you in a vehicle other than a bentley..maybe a squad car??
12:12 pm
SEE BBB
Im Joe Blow today.....do you know someone...who knows someone..who knew someone...who thinks they know someone..who might be someone..you think might be the 'real Joe'.
Maybe I'm really Joe Theisman....or Joe Biden...maybe Joey Tribiani from friends....cant you tell who i am from my alias you all knowing psychic?
Tell Dionne Warwick to give your f*cking money back-- she may be psychic- but you are just plain ignorant.
DUMBa$$
12:35 pm
Fabulous Feuding! BillyBob, you got charles w. wounded! so he changed his name just like art monk and charles mann changed good samaritan's name when it was on the ropes! this bentley talk and "charles williams" talk is over my head, but Charles W. doesn't like being told he's that guy. confusing AND angry! that's what Playing the Feud is all about! keep it going, boys!
1:23 pm
Yeah he has me tremendously pissed off. I don't know these guys at all and yet he thinks he knows me because I made the unfortunate choice of using charles as an initial alias because I was reading an article about a charles and it was what first popped in my head at the time. Now I am some kind of participant in some drama that I was merely commenting on that now I am supposed to be a part of....and here we waste time on this crap instead of discussing this in a manner I would have preferred.
Im sure this guy is nothing but some hood rat anyway, probably one of the people dumping all the trash on that site and then crying that no one is cleaning it up and how his community is being trashed even as he and his other neighbors are the ones the f&cked it up in the first place.
TRUST ME.... I am in no way associated with that whole mess. I wouldn't be caught dead in that craphole, I am partial to not being shot, mugged or assaulted in some way.
1:38 pm
This is fantastic Dave. And I agree 100%, it's really ashame what these assclowns have done to the City these last few years. This is just one of the many little deals they've attached their names to in order to get a break and turn a profit. As for the inside comments I made to Charles, I know more dirt on him specifically, but I digress. This isn't about him personally, it's about the hypocrisy surrounding his and the rest of their (Monk, Mann, and Green) professional lives. They take advantage of a broken system, prey on the trust that average people give to them because they are former professional athletes, and have made millions doing so. The reason they are attacking now is because they don't have as many contacts in the City as they once did. And with a reputation of failures more than successes in the development world (ask them about their West Virgina project), I don't see how they can continue.
Charles:
I'm having so much fun with you. Why would you reference Joe Theissman first, I see a redskins connection here. An average person, unrelated to this talk, would not think of a flared out redskins from the 1980s first when referencing the name Joe. Just a word of advice, if you can't take the heat Charles, step aside son. Alright, you got me. The Bentley wasn't really mine to begin with, but you were impressed, admit it, come on. I might not be as smart as you sir (Charles happens to be very educated- I know, it doesn't show in the postings, but he is), but I do know what's right and wrong. Open one those bibles you guys use so often, you might learn a thing or two.
1:47 pm
Nice. You changed again. I love your justification behind the choice of names and your numerous attempts to distance yourself from the group. Shit, I would do the same if I was you. Take the huge profits you made over the years from them and detach yourself from knowledge of them or their(your) shady dealings. I told you he was smart. I guess the reason you won't go to this place is the same reason why the Good Samaritan didn't either. That's it, mystery solved. Dave, you should use that as your first and only quote by these guys. They sold the place because they didn't want to "be caught dead in that craphole" and that they are "partial to not being shot, mugged or assaulted in some way." No more questionis necessary, we understand, rich surburbanites like yourselves do not wish to risk life and limb to help out a craphole neighborhood, you merely want to profit from it.
2:17 pm
Wow...you just won't accept reality. I used Theisman cause we were already talking about redskins dip$h*t. Dave is surely smart enough to not use a quote from an anonymous writer and attribute it to these guys because some foolish tool like yourself thinks you have uncovered some conspiracy theory.
Again- if i were involved at all- other than as a bystander like yourself- I would CERTAINLY NOT BE COMMENTING PUBLICLY.
USE YOUR HEAD DUMMY!!
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!!!
2:36 pm
Charles W./Joe/amused: you crumbled like mama's pie crust under BillyBob's claim that he knows you. scoring at home, i've got BillyBob with several 10-8 rounds in a row. come back with embarrassing info about him soon, or i'm going to have to stop the Feud! and I've never stopped a Feud before!
2:48 pm
Classic, classic feud - right now, BBB has won all five rounds against Charles W., who is staggering but still wants more.
Ding! There's the bell for round six...
2:50 pm
Dave, call it. It's no long a feud, I've slaughtered this man. Charles it's been fun. I do hope that you take some of our advice, open the bible for a change. You guys must have been tempted, all these years of carrying it around, throwing it in other people face, and never seeing what's on the pages. Do it buddy and remember Jesus loves you. I saw Art and Mann trying to do an after-the-article plea for sympathy. I hadn't realized that it took over $3 million to not renovate something. That must be a record. Oh well, it was fun, actually more pathethic than fun, but, tomato-tomato...
3:11 pm
wtf....are you all insane or what? How have I lost any rounds at all? Are you f@cking kidding me? The only point this crackhead has even tried to make is that he knows me and guess what....he fucking doesnt.
So here loser....since you know me...come up to me on Sunday since I am supposed to be in church, even though I do not believe in god to begin with, and come make the accusations right out in the open.
Since you'll be battling someone who would be oblivious to what the f#ck you are talking about- the result should be quite interesting....I see some police and handcuffs in your nearest future! But hell, you are from DC, you probably are quite comfortable in them by now anyway.
Also- lets just call a spade a spade and call it as it is..... IF YOU KNOW ME BAMA.... then you have had the chance to say all that you have been saying--- to my face on many occasions havent you? Yet, I just see you hiding behind your CPU and throwing out barbs from your little faggot perch where i cant get to you huh? whats up with that? Is this what you do jagoff? Sit around all day on your breaks from 7-11 and give your brilliant imput on issues well beyond your knowledge and capacity? I hadn't even heard of this blog until yesterday when I checked out this article about these guys.... and yet...you seem to be a regular....is this your hobby? Do you call in to sports radio and play armchair QB too?
I saw the news last night too...and yup..those two guys were less than impressive in their explanations.... but i still hold to my original point....
they are entitled to have their position heard...even if you have pulled the "real" answers out of your a$$ already.
yeah call it please...this was never intended to be this debate. I actually hoped I'd find some decent people on here that agreed people should be allowed to give their side before people start writing fancy little opinion pieces based on a small percentage of the story.
Hey Dave, maybe you should call Art and Charles..they have a business dont they? Why not ask for an interview? It shouldnt be hard to find their number if they are listed in the phone book.Maybe then you can write based on all the facts and not just some of the facts interpreted by you, to fit your version.
Call them!!!!!
3:26 pm
Alright, it's official. Charles Williams is unhinged. Come on, this is a no-contest. Nice attempt though Charles. People in DC, in this decade, don't use BAMA anymore. Old-timer, relax or you might have a heart-attack. My points in the post were always pronounced. I think you all are shady fucks who used your "reputations"/contacts/back-room handjobs, whatever, to take advantage of a corrupted system. You milked it dry and then cut and run when you couldn't suck out any more from the City and funders. You on the other hand, for some strange reason(well, it pretty fucking obvious that you're Charles Williams and thus a part of this scheme), believe that these guys deserve some benefit of the doubt because of why really? You've never made that clear. They don't want to respond to the writer and comment on this post and when a firestorm erupts, they instead choose not to contact Dave, but go to a different media outlet altogether to bitch and moan about the huge windfall profit they didn't make and the Congressional earmark they didn't receive. What the fuck guy? If anyone is to believe their half-assed story, then why didn't they use what they had been using for all of these years, their reputations/celebrity status to appeal for more funds from the City or donors. $60,000 in additional debt, get fucking real, you tool. Prove it is all that I have to say.
Victory Speech:
I would first like to start out by thanking Jehovah, who made this all possible. Without your biting lyrics, I would not have been able to hand Mr. Williams ass to him on a platter. But I did it, now fade to black...
3:34 pm
You need a ride home, CharlesW./Joe? i mean, you're punchdrunk from the beating!
from your last post, we get both "I see you throwing out barbs from your little faggot perch where i cant get to you huh? whats up with that? Is this what you do jagoff?" PLUS "I actually hoped I’d find some decent people on here"!
sounds like you got a couple different personalities to go with your names, CW/Joe! i hate to do this, but, you can no longer defend yourself,so: "The Winner, and Still Playing the Feud CHampion...BillyBOb!"
ain't gonna be no rematch!
3:48 pm
Crawl back under your rock. You have won nothing. You have gained nothing, and you are foolish beyond all human comprehension to think if i were in business with these guys that i would ever discuss that business with anyone but them.
As far as proving anything- damn right- they will surely have to do so- if they got federal grant funds and used them for anything other than what it was given for- they are going to have plenty to answer arent they?
BUT...no one has to prove shit to you. you are a nobody dude!
However, you, as a DC resident, have proven exactly why most well adjusted people would prefer to not suffer the indignity of enduring one second in your dumphole city.
You elect mayors who smoke crack with hookers and then get re-elected by the intelligent african american masses that look at that waste of flesh as some type of hero.
Did you cheer ignorantly too as OJ skated from killing his wife because he was a Black man- whether he was guilty or not? Did you laugh out the side of your mouth arrogantly as he got away with murder just because some racist dick cop fucked up and made it easy for him to cry foul?
It's all good man.... one of your other heros...Mr."if it doesnt fit you must acquit" got what was coming to him too.....karma is a bitch.
Come on down BillyBob...I say again...if you think you know me...come say these things to my face....you're going to be pretty embarrassed but hey.....you're probably quite used to that now arent ya!
3:50 pm
learn some english Dave......'aint gonna be no rematch'....guess we know why you dont work for a real paper huh?
5:19 pm
charlesw.:you're what we in the Feud field call a "tomato can" --you've taken too many beatings. nobody would sanction you and BBB going at it again. sorry. you're damaged. ain't gonna be no rematch. as we part, once more: thanks for Playing...
10:21 am
When I heard this I was truly disgusted. How dare people shout foul about these 2 men whom were a few of the best Redskins that ever played and whom took time out of their busy lives to help mentor young males.
My son was in their program that was out of Anacostia at that time for several years. This program helped him grown into the college graduate that he is now. First few years in college it provided my son and others like him small scholarships to help them in college. So when people say bad stuff about this program I have to say if you don't know what you are talking about you need to be quiet.
And on that building in S.E. that at one period of time used to be the first site for the Anacostia Museum that building had been vacant for centuries in disrepair. Drug addicts used to sleep and shoot up in there. The roof had holes in it and everything so of course to get that building to code it would cost thousands or more to do so. It probably cost more to fix it up than what they paid for it. So would it be worth the cost when your funding is being cut...no.
See this program was being run on funding and when the economy started to fail guess what their funding went with it. And this save Anacostia crap please where are the top people that should be doing this? One group of people can't do this it has to the be the whole community so to blame this program for backing out is just not fair.
I Thank Art Monk and Charles Mann for what they have done and what they hopefully will continue to do!! This Proud Parent Of A Young Male From Your Program Has Your Back Always!!
9:31 am
I promised myself that I won't respond anymore to Charles Williams, but I think I have to after this recent post by "MsRuby", ahem, cough, Charles Williams. That's great if your son was able to do this and that would be a great story to tell. And if you both are so grateful, please give more details and don't hide behind the typical BS about child privacy, he's in college now.
As for the reasons you give to justify their insane profit from the sale, this just further prooves something shady occured. The condition of the actual building you described and the fact that it was used as a durg haven, shows just how careless these guys were with the Center. Over the years, all of the money they raised to rehab the center, they couldn't even secure the facility properly? They couldn't at least fix the roof? It's essentially been under their control for a decade. If they were able to sell it for $3 million, then they could have just as easily gotten a rehab loan to do the repairs.
This is just bullshit and we all know it. It's ashame that they really couldn't have done what was promised because it might have made a real difference.
12:31 pm
Mr. Bush-
Stop typing and pouting and go make a difference of your own. Stop crying about what others havent done and go do something yourself. I, for one, am sick of hearing you whine and cry like a someone killed the Easter Bunny.
No one can discuss this with you anyway, because you have already made up your mind. You clearly are a victim of alot of self fulfilling prophecies and don't leave room for healthy discussion/debate.
It's clear from your posts above that you have already appointed yourself as an expert on this situation and that no one elses opinion/beliefs are respected or considered.
It's also pretty obvious that once you get a thought in your head, you are stubborn and ignorant enough to put blinders on to others attempts at having conversation with you.
So here just for you:
Dear BillyBobBush-
I am sorry. I am sorry that your years of walking this earth have yet to provide you with the human intelligence and human decency needed to actually look at this situation objectively. Afterall, you are the one with all the answers here. You know what rotten individuals these guys are. You know it's their fault people shoot up in the hallways and dump trash all over the area. You know it's their fault. They should be out there day and night using their celebrity to work for them so that they can make a difference for you and your community. How dare these guys FORCE the city to sell them this state of the art building at such a cut rate? How dare they hold on to a super valuable property in one of the cities best locations for a decade spending time and effort trying to fix it up and get it usable for the people of SE DC? How dare they hatch such a perfect and dispicable plan to let this mansion sit on their books for a decade, earning them tens of thousands of dollars in interest and profit while waiting to sell it years later for a bigger profit. I knew when I heard they bought this investment property, that these evil men would let it fall into further disrepair and then turn around and sell for big bucks. HOW GENIUS they must be to have known 10 years ago that this plan would work exactly how they wanted ten years later. How genius to get other members of the business community to help them raise funds knowing full well they were never going to live up the expectation! I bet that went over well with their associates and partners. I bet they are just rolling on the floor laughing about how embarrassing it must be for them to have had this dream for a decade and then to see it just become unattainable given circumstances beyond their control.
I for one am especially disgusted at how they had the audacity to go on TV news last week and draw more attention to themselves and their situation. My god, shouldnt they be hiding from this and refusing to address it?Don't they know they are guilty? What are they doing trying to confuse us? Guess they'll be surprised when you rip out all your facts and show them whats up huh? They'll wish they never messed with you!!
You go boy--- keep on typing away and save the world! we are all waiting for your wisdom with bated breath knowing full well you have all the answers to all the earths problems from behind your little computer. Your boss is really great to let you spend your day molesting reality instead of earning your salary doing your real job. Who in the hell is watching the grill anyway?
SO again...thank you. Thank you for being our savior. Thank you for allowing your disappointment and frustration to create this self fulfilling prophecy of yours. I understand you feel let down, I understand you feel betrayed and I am proud of you for sticking your fingers so far down your ears that you cant/wont hear any other opinions about this situation.
Who in the hell wants to play that "lets deal with facts" game anyway. Thats so friggin overrated.
I dont even care at this point if there is a legitimate explantion for this project not being completed. I don't care if they couldnt afford the projects continuation, I dont care if they can prove they had debt exceeding the sale price of the property. All that matters is that you have shown me the light. Those dudes have millions of dollars and should gladly give it up to make you and I happy. Bastards.
All hail BillyBobBush !!!!! SHARING his self fulfilling prophecies and one sided opinions with the world since god knows when!
BTW.... don't you beleive these human interest stories of success and achievement!! We know these evil guys paid that woman to come on here and say that mess. I don't care of that hussy can produce a name, address and college degree..... I'm still not beleiving her....not when I have the unwavering word of an expret like you to set me straight...besides.....they can make a fake identity to go along with a testimonial like that one to try to get some of the heat of them anyway. I bet they paid her LARGE brother!!!!
POWER TO THE PARANOIA BillyBob Bush......keep smoking that stuff!!!!!!..but please stop peeing on the site of that once gorgeous building late at night while you are shooting up in the entryway....don't you know if you keep doing that NO ONE will ever turn it into a school or something contructive like that? Oh my bad...it is a school...wait...isnt that better than a vacant piss infested dump?
Art Monk and Charles Mann.... letting down the community by turning pissy, crime infested, ghetto properties into cleaner, usuable schools for a decade.....
PRICKS..... I wanted another liquor store
2:02 pm
Thanks buddy. Well, I'm self-employed and don't have much going on these days, so I thought I would go on an one-man campaign to flush out the bullshit in this City. A lot of what you wrote, I guess was intended to be sarcastic, I dunno, I can't really tell, but to address it. You're fucking exactly right asshole. I am upset for all of those reasons. I'm pissed that they took advantage of a failed system to make a profit. I guess I should be pissed at a lot of companies, but I'm especially pissed at them for the sheer hypocrisy associated with them and specifically, this property. Yes, it is their fault that drug dealers used the property to shoot up. Yes, it is their fault that they left the property in disrepair for over a decade. They lied to everyone and I can give a flying fuck what their partners think or if they had to go on a fixed interview to defend themselves. People, regardless of who they are, should be held accountable for their actions. Stop idolizing idiots and look at the facts, fucker. I'm down with this bitch, it's just a waste talking to someone as ignorant as I am. Besides, the spanking I gave you guys last week allows me to say fuck off now pal.
3:25 pm
yeah I saw the 'whipping' you gave the guy last week. He tried real hard to get you to see things in an unbiased fashion, but really, he got a bit too focused on proving he wasnt whoever you thought he was and let you win because he was too preoccupied defending himself against your accusations about him to not lose his track maybe on the actual point at hand.
Look, I am a peaceful individual...and I'd appreciate it if you didnt go around cussing at me and such because I didnt sign on the dotted line of your smear campaign tactics. It just shows you are not working with the full deck of cards needed...
but since you are in the mood.......lets touch on a couple other points:
1- all of what I wrote was sarcastic.....because clearly two individuals are not responsible for a city wide, decade long issue. You just want to blame them for everything.
2- unless they drove on down there..and pissed on the property..then they are not responsible for other undesirables doing so.
3- all people should be held accountable for their actions.... AFTER their actions have been proven to be deserving of such, not before. Angry individuals looking for scapegoats to blame for the ills of the world- by injecting their own opinions and claiming them as fact....is not an appropriate substitute for actual proof. (hell...I have been thinking a certain actress is a post-op transexual for 20 years...and yet...my saying it..and backing it up with...."come on show me your vagina and prove youre not a dude... or else I'm assuming you have a penis and telling the world I am right about you")...is not a valid argument or mode of investigation to begin with.
4- you have ZERO right to demean the mission and philosophy of the Good Samaritan Foundation/Youth Power Center based on your vile and skewed beleifs. No one cares if you beleive the lady's story or not, and no one requires your stamp of approval on the good things that the organization did and may continue to be doing. You are out of line mixing up your frustrations with THIS situation and how it stands to represent the GSF/YPC as a whole. Even if you are right about your concerns..it doesnt change any good that was done by the organization just because you want to be angry NOW.
5- you have a cognitive disorder that is affecting your ability to think clearly. People that blame others for things w/o justification or claim to be a victim of a crime that wasnt committed against them are what most edumucated folks would call..... schizophrenic (sp?).
Do you have bad dreams that these two former redskins are coming to kill you in your sleep too? Are they secretly planting drugs in your community too so that they can keep you down? Do you hear their voices in your head alot or only intermittently? Have you asked your physician about perhaps a different medication or switching your dosages??
6- Whats your real issue friend? Did these guys not give you an autograph when you were as little physically as you are now mentally/socially? Did they hurt your feelings? Do you resent them as people because they have achieved and lived lives that your life will never come close to touching?
7- the guy above made a real good point too....if you have the potential to talk up these individuals at a church function ( as you say you know them and speak as if you have intimate knowledge of their characters and lives).... then why have you not done so? Why vent here if you are in a position to ask them your questions directly? Sounds to me like you just want to hear yourself talk and dont really care at all about the issues at hand. I'm thinking you just need to feel tied to this some way, and this is your means to do so! If you were truly concerned about this....AND had the opportunity to talk to these guys in church or wherever you claim to know them from....it would seem very counterproductive to sit here making an ass of yourself instead of going to the sources of your frustration and speaking up. my guess is 'Charles W' above isnt the one misrepresenting who he/she really is....but i bet you are.
Soooo for fun...what church do these guys attend????
In closing- Look, this isnt all your fault Sling Blade, truly you have been set up for failure by the writer here. So lets just add this little fact:
Mr. McKenna- please accept my humblest compliments. It is a tough and thankless job that you media people do. People like you that bring things out in the open so that we can discuss it and formulate our opinions based on what we learn are important to society. ...
BUT... can you please make sure you temper your writing to allow for the possibility that maybe just maybe, you dont have all the information either? I read your peices and see where this has been a long and frustrating issue for you and you have been on it for a while and thats great. HOWEVER, you also sir have written these pieces without giving us any smoking gun, and without a smoking gun...you have provided us with nothing but an editorial of sorts and thrown in some baised slants for good measure. YOU TOO SIR, seem to not have the full story, and some of your readers seem a bit too simple to figure out that you are nothing but an editorial artist. If you had real facts and tidbits that served to PROVE your points.. Im willing to bet we'd be seeing them in some other fashion...like maybe a real story in a paper people read, or on TV as some "7 on your side" piece where the whole world sees it and hears you.
YET...it's the two VILLIANS here that the legitmate media give the airtime on channel 9 too....and from what I understand from the interview... they sought out the chance to talk...hmmmmmmm......
I think this case is closed. There is no wrong doing here. The only wrong doing here is that the community didnt get something they needed. Blame that on whoever you want...but without proof of wrong doing....lets not create more victims.
3:27 pm
BTW.....LMAO
"self employed and not alot going on these days".....
EQUALS
UNEMPLOYED and more than likely sucking the life out of society.
Any questions??
3:47 pm
Hahaha, no you tool. I think you have just as much time on your hand as I do. I started to read you response to me, but got bored when I realized you were doing the same thing I had been doing. Hammering points that are biased to our individual opinion. None of what you state/claim is fact. Nothing I state is factual. My speculation about the condition of the property and the treatment of it over the years relies solely on what's been reported. I assume the same goes for you. However, if it isn't, then it's a pretty sad state for anyone to try and defend these guys now. It just goes to further show the disregard they have for the place, the larger community, and the residents of the entire City. It is there fault/responsibilty to maintain their property, and if it's vacant and used as a haven for drug-addicts, they should have been more vigilant, simple. DC has it fair share of slumlords and it's sad that these guys were ones as well. Then they made an absurd profit and are now back-peddaling when it all comes out.
As for your point by point analysis of the venom spurred here, I agree that you need to have a semblance of decorum and integrity but in this cae, I just have one thing to say: Go fuck yourself.
As for me being self-employed with little going on, that doesn't mean I'm on welfare or getting unemployment benefits. Nice of you to take as it that, because it seems to the M/O of Monk and Mann.
3:54 pm
Are you crying?
Are you crying?
Theres no crying in baseball !
p.s: You said in another useful bit of b.s. that "charles mann is the wealthiest and done the best for himself after football".....
that alone proves you are an unqualified participant in this discussion. Hall Of Fame members do much better and I am sure that "fact" of yours is 100% opinion and invalid to boot.
From now on you don't get to talk unless you qualify your drivel with "...i am not intelligent or well informed...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night".
4:00 pm
and Dave...wow...really....the bad men played softball with Bruce johnson..... oh wow...stop the presses.......I'm sure that was some type of back alley wheely dealy thang right brother?
Come on Dave be assertive...instead of hinting at unethical dealings.....just toss out some direct proof of wrong doing by specific folks...
oops....you cant...so sorry....
You know what they say..."if you cant say anything nice..."
National Enquirer is hiring in case you missed it.
4:12 pm
Wow, I just loss the little respect I had for you as a commentator. I thought it pointless to argue with a fellow idiot, but what the hell. I normally would hit a woman, but have no problem smacking a bitch...
First of all, aside from the pointless stupidity you are pushing (none of your points make any sense- everything you say, however sarcastic as you think it is, really just support my position).
The usual problems associated with trying to discredit the stupid arises however, when I explore a line by line approach. It is established that the redundancy in your arguement, like mine, is probably the strongest thing you have working in your favor, but after that, it gets into the realm of what the fuck. Are you seriously trying to sit here and type in defense of a scenario that by all accounts, even your own, makes little sense to justify? Have Mann and Monnk contact Dave, get him the facts, figures, blueprints, draw requests, loan commitments, fundraising awards, the whole gamut of information associated with what these guys claimed to have done for this building. Then the general public might have a semblance of pity for them. Until that happens, why sit and defend, when Monk and Mann aren't willing to sit and defend. They have tools like Charles Williams come on here and make absurd but baseless points about the "good works" and stellar reputations of these guys.
For me, based on what's been reported and the pathethic interview given by Johnson to Mann and Monk, I just don't see how the hell these guys didn't make a killer profit on a deal that they couldn't deliver on.
As for the statement about Mann being the wealthiest, his business acumen has little to do with the stats he put up as a professional athlete. Art Monk doesn't seem to be stupid ( I can't say the same for Daryl Green), but Charles Mann is a supremely sharp businessman. This point makes little sense in your campaign to discredit me. I can discredit myself all on my own, thank you very much.
So, enjoy your night at the Holiday Inn, cause from what I can tell, it's probably the only the smart choice you've made since posting here bitch...
5:31 pm
Geez...you guys are really going at it huh? Strange to me that neither of you have anything to do with any of this yet you both have such strong opinions about it all.
I have to say this has been great reading....aside from all the name calling and swearing over each other.
Seriously, there is only one thing worse than when someone breaks a promise----when somebody then takes that opportunity to make everybody feel worse about it.
If the powers behind this promise ended up not keeping their word (and no we dont know what all the reasons are).... why kick the community when they are already down by making it ugly.
Dont ever be a parent Billy....because one day your wife will tell your child that she is going to take them to the zoo..and she will get stuck at work and not be able to make that happen. What are you going to do...tell your kids..."mommy didnt take you because she didnt love you"..... or maybe..."mommy didnt take you because she never really wanted to take you to being with"...
You don't know why this didnt happen for SE DC. I don't know why. Chances are Mr. McKenna in is infinite wisdom doesnt know either. If he knew, he'd be writing about why it didnt happen instead of just merely pointing out that it didnt.
Thanks for stating the obvious and getting everybody worked up Mr. Dave. When you can tell us what happened based on information you got from the people responsible themselves, then maybe you'll do a follow up and give us answers instead of hypothesis'.
You guys should all be ashamed of yourself for missing the main point in all this.....people didnt get something they needed....
but really...if we cant enjoy the civil liberties we all should be afforded..including the right to face your accusers and the premise of innocent until proven guilty..then whats the point of putting up a building to teach people skills in the first place?
I sure as heck wouldnt want anybody here (but perhaps Mr. Williams and Arrogant or whatever the hell their names are) teaching my kids anything at all.
They seem to at least make some sense in their desire to see truths uncovered.... not created....
and they both did a complete and beautiful whackjob on you too....which was much deserved if you ask me.
6:21 pm
WOW: you love ellipses! just like Charles W loves ellipses! and as much as JoeBlow,Arrogant Much and Amused loves those dots, too! i don't have to call CSI to crack your code, you dumbass. in boxing, tomato cans have to come up with a lot of names so they can get sanctioned to fight again after taking a whupping. you're a tomato can, Charles W et al. Just go away, and take all your phony names with you. come back when you can tell us where all the money went...
8:26 pm
Collectively, the 50 comments on this post suck (except for a few that seriously address the topic).
8:53 pm
Hey Dave...how about YOU tell us where all the money went.....you are the one afterall that is levying the false and slanderous allegations. Well, technically, you don't have the balls and/or facts to actually be in a position to make any allegations, so you just throw out a little barb and hope the masses jump right onto the hook/crapstorm you wish to create.
Your slight of hand is cute and actually quite amusing, but without facts, you're just another little bitch that cries wolf to have their useless voice heard and appreciated by those ignorant enough to beleive the call in the first place.
Keep writing your bullshit, you've been at it for years now and no one gives a damn anyway, so keep on throwing out your opinion...call it fact.....and a few idiots will surely follow the pied piper. Be proud. You have spent years chasing your story, and there is no story...it was the cities building to sell, it was bought, and it was the decision of the buildings subsequent owners to sell it when the original desired purpose for the building fell through.
No one owes you or anybody else an explanation for anything.
10:21 pm
Mr. Posse: you got what it takes to be an Inspector General in DC."it was the cities building to sell" and "no one owes you or anybody an explanation" are gold.
but you want to hear about money, mr. posse? ok. here's a cut and paste of a few paragraphs i've written too many times about the public and private money donated for a center in anacostia that, we now know, never opened: In November 2000, Monk and Mann announced that a host of local companies, including Andersen Consulting and Clark Construction, had “committed $1 million” toward the creation of the center. Also in the fall of 2000, Mann wrote a piece in the Good Samaritan Foundation newsletter that quoted a proverb (“Hope deferred makes the heart sick”) and asserted the center would open in 2001. Also in 2000, Monk and Mann said the Accenture Celebrity Golf Tournament had donated $120,000 to the cause, and in 2001, they put out a press release boasting that another $100,000 from that year’s Accenture event could be “used for a new training and outreach center for the group."Monk and Mann got tax dollars by promising to build the center, also. The federal budget for fiscal 2003 contained a $500,000 payment to the Good Samaritan Foundation “to acquire and renovate a building to expand outreach and mentoring services to at-risk District of Columbia youths.” In the 2004 federal budget, they were given another $275,000 earmark for the same purpose.
In June 2001, because of Monk and Mann’s purported plan, the D.C. government had leased the Carver Theatre property to the Good Samaritan Foundation, and Monk and Mann immediately announced construction on the center would begin that August. That didn’t happen. In fact, Monk and Mann had done nothing at the site other than hold groundbreaking ceremonies by 2004, when the city sold the property outright to the group."
years after taking over the building, Mann told me the construction was going to cost $2.3 million. Monk and Mann bought the site for $255,235 in 2004 after telling the city and everybody else for years that they'd open a job training center there. Monk and Mann sold the property for about $3 million about a month and a half ago having never opened a job training center there.
all these figures except the $2.3 million construction cost, which i got from Charles Mann personally, come from monk and mann's press releases or public documents, such as the congressional record. if you see anything inaccurate, Mr. Posse, please pass it along and i'll correct what's been written.
9:33 am
Dave,
You're my fucking hero man. I agree with Truth, that alot of the comments here completely miss the point, many of them, my own. However, you did a fantastic job of pointing out to Charles and his posse or just Charles, that regardless of the name calling, personal stings, or whatever, it came down to a broken promise that resulted in a huge monetary upswing for these guys. I don't how it can be different no matter how many ways we all try to slice it... Keep up the good work.
4:43 pm
If there is sooooo much to this story, how come there is no actual investigation taking place? I'm guessing that no criminal activity has taken place here? If so, why are you guys wasting so much time and energy on it anyway?
Everybody wants to blame blame blame.
4:53 pm
Shit, I'm late to the party. I don't think there is an investigation because no one is claiming they did anything illegal, as far as I can tell. Everyone seems to think they did something immoral, which in this City doesn't mean much. They aren't as bad as Fenty, but still shady fucks as far I can tell.