Comments on: Final Fort Hill/Dunbar Fallout: You Can No Longer Use the ‘N-Word’ on the Gridiron in Maryland http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/ 68.3 Square Miles of D.C. News and Opinion Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:05:00 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Dav eH. http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-667244 Dav eH. Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:14:26 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-667244 'Dunbar is nothing but a school full of douchebags! No one called anyone a nigger....Dunbar would have lost the game anyway. 'Dunbar is nothing but a school full of douchebags! No one called anyone a nigger....Dunbar would have lost the game anyway.

]]> By: Dave McKenna http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-667234 Dave McKenna Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:25:08 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-667234 2009: "Would Dave McKenna please stop saying this is unjustified?""Yeah they say things all time time. It gets when the referees help. Dave is saying this is not a problem, he must be a rush limbaugh fan." what the hell are you talking about, 2009? i said what's "unjustified"? i said what's "not a problem"? i said all three personal fouls calls are justified. i just watched the video again. all three personal fouls calls are still justified, 2009. but, a year after the fort hill/dunbar game, those penalties aren't the issue. michelle rhee's conduct is the real issue, 2009. Michelle Rhee did not cooperate with the local, state or federal efforts to deal with whatever happened at Fort Hill. are you happy that Michelle Rhee disregarded the department of justice's mediation attempts, 2009? why didn't michelle rhee file a written report as requested by the department of justice? i asked her office that, and they won't answer. why won't michelle rhee answer any questions about her conduct in the dunbar/fort hill matter? to me, it looks like michelle rhee left the dunbar kids hanging out to dry. why did michelle rhee stonewall all the investigations, 2009? what kind of lesson does michelle rhee's stonewalling send to the dunbar kids? i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on michelle rhee's behavior in the dunbar/fort hill situation, 2009. 2009: "Would Dave McKenna please stop saying this is unjustified?""Yeah they say things all time time. It gets when the referees help. Dave is saying this is not a problem, he must be a rush limbaugh fan."

what the hell are you talking about, 2009? i said what's "unjustified"? i said what's "not a problem"? i said all three personal fouls calls are justified. i just watched the video again. all three personal fouls calls are still justified, 2009. but, a year after the fort hill/dunbar game, those penalties aren't the issue. michelle rhee's conduct is the real issue, 2009. Michelle Rhee did not cooperate with the local, state or federal efforts to deal with whatever happened at Fort Hill. are you happy that Michelle Rhee disregarded the department of justice's mediation attempts, 2009? why didn't michelle rhee file a written report as requested by the department of justice? i asked her office that, and they won't answer. why won't michelle rhee answer any questions about her conduct in the dunbar/fort hill matter? to me, it looks like michelle rhee left the dunbar kids hanging out to dry. why did michelle rhee stonewall all the investigations, 2009? what kind of lesson does michelle rhee's stonewalling send to the dunbar kids?

i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on michelle rhee's behavior in the dunbar/fort hill situation, 2009.

]]> By: 2009 not 1959 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-667220 2009 not 1959 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:46:59 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-667220 Kicking the helmet on the sidleines (sidelines key word)warning at most. Hit is not late was in the flow of the game and the refs whistle did not blow. The link had audio. The go ahead touchdown was given 30 yards on questionable (at best) calls. How many times have parents gone wild when games turn like that. The refs could not admit they let it go on that long, because they would have had a price to pay. Why did the player kick the helmet? Would he have started a fight at the next racial slur? Would Dave McKenna please stop saying this is unjustified? When they say they dropped the case but change the rules at the state level, is that not code for the refs let it go? I have been in games in manassass in the 80's when an integrated team beat the locals on the their home feild it gets nasty. Yeah they say things all time time. It gets when the referees help. Dave is saying this is not a problem, he must be a rush limbaugh fan. Kicking the helmet on the sidleines (sidelines key word)warning at most.
Hit is not late was in the flow of the game and the refs whistle did not blow. The link had audio.
The go ahead touchdown was given 30 yards on questionable (at best) calls. How many times have parents gone wild when games turn like that. The refs could not admit they let it go on that long, because they would have had a price to pay.
Why did the player kick the helmet? Would he have started a fight at the next racial slur?
Would Dave McKenna please stop saying this is unjustified?
When they say they dropped the case but change the rules at the state level, is that not code for the refs let it go?
I have been in games in manassass in the 80's when an integrated team beat the locals on the their home feild it gets nasty. Yeah they say things all time time. It gets when the referees help. Dave is saying this is not a problem, he must be a rush limbaugh fan.

]]> By: PIGSKIN JUSTICE http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-665029 PIGSKIN JUSTICE Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:50:37 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-665029 Glad this was dropped, no merit. Frustration reared it's ugly head. Now hopefully this rule applys to ALL, as it is accepted for a black person to use the "N" word in reference to another black person. Glad this was dropped, no merit. Frustration reared it's ugly head. Now hopefully this rule applys to ALL, as it is accepted for a black person to use the "N" word in reference to another black person.

]]> By: GUILTY TIL PROVEN INNOCENT http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-652884 GUILTY TIL PROVEN INNOCENT Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:09:28 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-652884 Last I checked this is America....where people are INNOCENT TIL PROVEN GUILTY. OOOOOOOOpppps, I just read the fine print. You are guilty til proven innocent if someone plays the RACE card against you. No proof has ever been proven by GOD Jefferies or any of the DC ding-dongs. To this day, NOTHING has ever been proven. But then again, since Jefferies threw out the RACE card........that must be enough proof. Someone, show me Jefferies' PROOF. Not his stupid opinion....PROOF ! Last I checked this is America....where people are INNOCENT TIL PROVEN GUILTY. OOOOOOOOpppps, I just read the fine print. You are guilty til proven innocent if someone plays the RACE card against you. No proof has ever been proven by GOD Jefferies or any of the DC ding-dongs. To this day, NOTHING has ever been proven. But then again, since Jefferies threw out the RACE card........that must be enough proof. Someone, show me Jefferies' PROOF. Not his stupid opinion....PROOF !

]]> By: Duke84 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-651054 Duke84 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:51:29 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-651054 I played varsity baseball and soccer in suburban Pittsburgh, and never played against a black guy. So I guess I did a good job keeping the epithets under wraps. The only person I swore at was myself. BTW - when my HS did "To Kill a Mockingbird: as the school play, we had to bring in black kids from other schools - because we only had three (out of about 3000 kids), and one was too busy with classes to participate. Not a super-exclusive area, but obviously redlined. I played varsity baseball and soccer in suburban Pittsburgh, and never played against a black guy. So I guess I did a good job keeping the epithets under wraps. The only person I swore at was myself.

BTW - when my HS did "To Kill a Mockingbird: as the school play, we had to bring in black kids from other schools - because we only had three (out of about 3000 kids), and one was too busy with classes to participate. Not a super-exclusive area, but obviously redlined.

]]> By: DR http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-650169 DR Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:02:34 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-650169 Nice backpedal Angry Al- apology accepted, I guess. You really are Angry btw- great moniker. It's funny that you automatically impugn people's motives, lash out without facts and make irrelevant comparisons. Idiotic Angry Al may fit a tad better. Sorry about Teddy- hopefully he's with Mary Jo. Nice backpedal Angry Al- apology accepted, I guess. You really are Angry btw- great moniker. It's funny that you automatically impugn people's motives, lash out without facts and make irrelevant comparisons. Idiotic Angry Al may fit a tad better. Sorry about Teddy- hopefully he's with Mary Jo.

]]> By: Grumpy http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-650161 Grumpy Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:34:12 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-650161 @Dave So Rhee silenced him, huh? Aside from getting sued for slander, what other possible reason could she have for quashing his interview? I mean, if it really happened, why not expose it and deal with it directly? Something doesn't add up @Dave

So Rhee silenced him, huh? Aside from getting sued for slander, what other possible reason could she have for quashing his interview? I mean, if it really happened, why not expose it and deal with it directly?

Something doesn't add up

]]> By: Angry Al Gonzales http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-650141 Angry Al Gonzales Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:42:11 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-650141 I watched the film - the hit was clearly late, & kicking the helmet was flagrant. Not sure about the rest of it, but as I recall, some of the Dunbar kids were quite upset by taunting & epithets. That is evidence enough to prove a case, but we'll never know. The comments on youtube said the taunts went both ways - or that no taunts were made. It is too bad there will probably be a decision as to what happened. It's one thing about having a trial - at least some resolution is reached. The rules change was a good move, even if nothing happened at FH. Taunting of any sort is bogus. There will always be some wrestling in pile-ups & twisting ankles & eye gouging & that sort of stuff, but the refs should be in firm control, especially since these are high school kids. I watched the film - the hit was clearly late, & kicking the helmet was flagrant. Not sure about the rest of it, but as I recall, some of the Dunbar kids were quite upset by taunting & epithets. That is evidence enough to prove a case, but we'll never know. The comments on youtube said the taunts went both ways - or that no taunts were made.

It is too bad there will probably be a decision as to what happened. It's one thing about having a trial - at least some resolution is reached.

The rules change was a good move, even if nothing happened at FH. Taunting of any sort is bogus. There will always be some wrestling in pile-ups & twisting ankles & eye gouging & that sort of stuff, but the refs should be in firm control, especially since these are high school kids.

]]> By: Cheap Seats Daily: If You Burn Down Your High School, Can You Show Up at Your High School Reunion? - City Desk - Washington City Paper http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-650135 Cheap Seats Daily: If You Burn Down Your High School, Can You Show Up at Your High School Reunion? - City Desk - Washington City Paper Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:28:51 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-650135 [...] it: The pre-post-racial they-said/they-said-they-didn’t situation from last year’s Dunbar-Fort Hill football game will lead to a small, mostly ceremonial change in the athletes’ Code of Conduct applied to [...] [...] it: The pre-post-racial they-said/they-said-they-didn’t situation from last year’s Dunbar-Fort Hill football game will lead to a small, mostly ceremonial change in the athletes’ Code of Conduct applied to [...]

]]> By: Dave McKenna http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-650133 Dave McKenna Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:25:59 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-650133 Grumpy: According to a report on Fox-5 around the time of the incident, Dunbar's coach Jefferies did agree to be interviewed about the Fort Hill slurs, but then backed out of the interview because Michelle Rhee told him not to comment. Grumpy: According to a report on Fox-5 around the time of the incident, Dunbar's coach Jefferies did agree to be interviewed about the Fort Hill slurs, but then backed out of the interview because Michelle Rhee told him not to comment.

]]> By: Grumpy http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-650123 Grumpy Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:56:08 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-650123 Without audio/visual evidence, how could the slurs be proven? And why didn't the coach pursue the matter? If my kids are being verbally assaulted, I'm calling every news outlet, etc. in town...I'm especially calling WOL's Mark Gray, host of SportsGroove and Coach Butch Mcadams, Joe Madison, Bernie McCain to get the word out. And 2 agencies dropped it citing 1st Amendment but failed to produce any reports? Not even a report stating it was dropping the case? I'd like to know the truth...what really happened? Without audio/visual evidence, how could the slurs be proven? And why didn't the coach pursue the matter? If my kids are being verbally assaulted, I'm calling every news outlet, etc. in town...I'm especially calling WOL's Mark Gray, host of SportsGroove and Coach Butch Mcadams, Joe Madison, Bernie McCain to get the word out.

And 2 agencies dropped it citing 1st Amendment but failed to produce any reports? Not even a report stating it was dropping the case?

I'd like to know the truth...what really happened?

]]> By: Dave McKenna http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-650115 Dave McKenna Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:21:54 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-650115 Angry Al: Far as I can tell, there is no evidence that racial slurs were used by Fort Hill players, beyond the original accusations. The rules change was pushed by the Civil Rights office of the Maryland Attorney General's office after backing off its announced intention to investigate the accusations. The school and the Allegany board tried to clear their kids, but it seems to me DCPS and Dunbar dropped the matter. I'd be interested to hear your take on the video clips, Angry Al. Angry Al: Far as I can tell, there is no evidence that racial slurs were used by Fort Hill players, beyond the original accusations. The rules change was pushed by the Civil Rights office of the Maryland Attorney General's office after backing off its announced intention to investigate the accusations. The school and the Allegany board tried to clear their kids, but it seems to me DCPS and Dunbar dropped the matter. I'd be interested to hear your take on the video clips, Angry Al.

]]> By: Angry Al Gonzales http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-650097 Angry Al Gonzales Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:47:37 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-650097 DR - where is your evidence? We have testimony from the team & people in the stands. A Maryland state commission found sufficient evidence to make rule changes. You're probably one of those sick people who believe Saddam had WMD - & you're probably a birther & a deather. Newsweek has an interesting article on mentally ill people like you. Lies of Mass Destruction http://www.newsweek.com/id/213625?from=rss Normally I'd just call you an ignorant lying racist, & an unreconstructed cracker, but since Teddy died, I'm trying to be nice today. You think, "reading comprehension is pretty bad on this site;" meanwhile, your writing leaves room for lots of improvement. See how nice I'm being? DR - where is your evidence? We have testimony from the team & people in the stands. A Maryland state commission found sufficient evidence to make rule changes.

You're probably one of those sick people who believe Saddam had WMD - & you're probably a birther & a deather. Newsweek has an interesting article on mentally ill people like you.

Lies of Mass Destruction
http://www.newsweek.com/id/213625?from=rss

Normally I'd just call you an ignorant lying racist, & an unreconstructed cracker, but since Teddy died, I'm trying to be nice today. You think, "reading comprehension is pretty bad on this site;" meanwhile, your writing leaves room for lots of improvement.

See how nice I'm being?

]]> By: DR http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/25/final-fort-hilldunbar-fallout-you-can-no-longer-use-the-n-word-on-the-gridiron-in-maryland/comment-page-1/#comment-650092 DR Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:33:21 +0000 http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/?p=30566#comment-650092 Why don't the commenters understand that the N word was never used in all probability- this was another fraudulent hoax ie, Duke lacrosse to a much lesser extent... reading comprehension is pretty bad on this site.... waiting for a Wilbon apology Why don't the commenters understand that the N word was never used in all probability- this was another fraudulent hoax ie, Duke lacrosse to a much lesser extent... reading comprehension is pretty bad on this site.... waiting for a Wilbon apology

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