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	<title>Comments on: Fenty Losing His Grip? Loose Lips Daily</title>
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		<title>By: Q™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, sorry for my lack of clarity on the 4%.  The 4% was referencing the pretty close numbers in Ward 1 regarding whether Fenty performed as expected (48%) or disappointed (44%).  Furthermore, the 60% is not an approval rating, moreso if you have a favorable impression.

I could have a favorable impression of someone, but could be disappointed in his performance.  Note the difference.  Many a Redskin was cut from the team based on this.  As for Fenty, he might be a decent guy (68%), but I don&#039;t like his performance (44% +/- 4%), so come 2010, I will vote him out.  Nothing personal.  I want a mayor who is a decent person and a good performer.  If I had to choose, performance would be first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, sorry for my lack of clarity on the 4%.  The 4% was referencing the pretty close numbers in Ward 1 regarding whether Fenty performed as expected (48%) or disappointed (44%).  Furthermore, the 60% is not an approval rating, moreso if you have a favorable impression.</p>
<p>I could have a favorable impression of someone, but could be disappointed in his performance.  Note the difference.  Many a Redskin was cut from the team based on this.  As for Fenty, he might be a decent guy (68%), but I don't like his performance (44% +/- 4%), so come 2010, I will vote him out.  Nothing personal.  I want a mayor who is a decent person and a good performer.  If I had to choose, performance would be first.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your closing line only supports the relevancy and weight of the numbers in the wards surveyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your closing line only supports the relevancy and weight of the numbers in the wards surveyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Q™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, you clearly misconstrued what I was saying.  They are relevant...just not relevant enough to change the minds of those who were not surveyed in the first place.  As for the GOP fallout over Bush&#039;s numbers, please be informed that is was not the numbers that got them voted out of office.  It was consistently following Bush&#039;s (I mean Cheney&#039;s) mandates and towing the Party line.  

Fenty has a GOOD shot at winning in 2010, not because of approval number predictions, but because MANY of the people who don&#039;t like what he is doing WON&#039;T come out to vote.  The same can be said of Alexander&#039;s first election and others.  Disapproving of a candidate is one thing.  Voting against them is another.  DC, unfortunately is filled with voter apathy...strangly enough in the wards that were NOT surveyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, you clearly misconstrued what I was saying.  They are relevant...just not relevant enough to change the minds of those who were not surveyed in the first place.  As for the GOP fallout over Bush's numbers, please be informed that is was not the numbers that got them voted out of office.  It was consistently following Bush's (I mean Cheney's) mandates and towing the Party line.  </p>
<p>Fenty has a GOOD shot at winning in 2010, not because of approval number predictions, but because MANY of the people who don't like what he is doing WON'T come out to vote.  The same can be said of Alexander's first election and others.  Disapproving of a candidate is one thing.  Voting against them is another.  DC, unfortunately is filled with voter apathy...strangly enough in the wards that were NOT surveyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  And 4% is by no means an unusual margin of error for a poll of this scope, and it is therefore unclear what you are suggesting is the exact inability to qualify, or did you mean quantify, the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  And 4% is by no means an unusual margin of error for a poll of this scope, and it is therefore unclear what you are suggesting is the exact inability to qualify, or did you mean quantify, the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine, Q.  You previously were arguing that approval ratings are thoroughly irrelevant, now you&#039;re arguing that they&#039;re just incomplete, and in fact would become relevant in your mind if the remaining numbers resulted in an overall negative tally.

While you make up your mind, the published poll indicates that others have too: in three important wards, they approve of the Mayor, and Rhee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine, Q.  You previously were arguing that approval ratings are thoroughly irrelevant, now you're arguing that they're just incomplete, and in fact would become relevant in your mind if the remaining numbers resulted in an overall negative tally.</p>
<p>While you make up your mind, the published poll indicates that others have too: in three important wards, they approve of the Mayor, and Rhee.</p>
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		<title>By: Q™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, I can appreciate your comments.  Rather than talk about what level of seasoning I have as an observer, let&#039;s get to the crux of the matter.  While I&#039;d rather wait until the polls are extended to other Wards (per the Examiner article), I recommend everyone look at http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/fenty-poll.pdf  

With the margin of error determined at almost 4%, it is difficult to qualify this data, interpretations may vary, but it smacks of a possible Fenty-re-election survey.  They asked about Cheh, Graham, Wells, Mendelson, Kwame, Gray, along with Rhee and Nickels, as if to put them as equals.  The only person missing is Lanier.

I say that too because even what was reported by the Examiner, tended to &quot;cherry pick&quot; only the results that would help present their angle for the story.  No mention of Gay marriages, Adams Morgan, and other poignant things about this survey.  Just how Fenty has a 68% Approval rating, from Wards 1, 3, 6, the majority of which are white, male, and over 40.

Joel, let&#039;s not dismiss the numbers as they point to more inaccurate picture. 

Not only that but while they didn&#039;t ask Latinos (note the Black/White extrapolation), be advised that the remaining Wards have a higher African-American concentration and thus would more than likely NOT SUPPORT Fenty, based on what this survey predicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, I can appreciate your comments.  Rather than talk about what level of seasoning I have as an observer, let's get to the crux of the matter.  While I'd rather wait until the polls are extended to other Wards (per the Examiner article), I recommend everyone look at <a href="http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/fenty-poll.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/fenty-poll.pdf</a>  </p>
<p>With the margin of error determined at almost 4%, it is difficult to qualify this data, interpretations may vary, but it smacks of a possible Fenty-re-election survey.  They asked about Cheh, Graham, Wells, Mendelson, Kwame, Gray, along with Rhee and Nickels, as if to put them as equals.  The only person missing is Lanier.</p>
<p>I say that too because even what was reported by the Examiner, tended to "cherry pick" only the results that would help present their angle for the story.  No mention of Gay marriages, Adams Morgan, and other poignant things about this survey.  Just how Fenty has a 68% Approval rating, from Wards 1, 3, 6, the majority of which are white, male, and over 40.</p>
<p>Joel, let's not dismiss the numbers as they point to more inaccurate picture. </p>
<p>Not only that but while they didn't ask Latinos (note the Black/White extrapolation), be advised that the remaining Wards have a higher African-American concentration and thus would more than likely NOT SUPPORT Fenty, based on what this survey predicts.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is absurd to suggest that approval ratings are irrelevant, and/or without direct political impact.  You offer the example of Bush&#039;s historic lows, and somehow claim that because he was not impeached, the low numbers were irrelevant.  You also argue that the &quot;only thing it did&quot; was craft postmortem opinion of Bush.

Try telling that to the RNC, or to any now-former GOP members of Congress, or to any of the failed GOP candidates for statehouse seats.

Anyone who&#039;s worked in politics knows that approval ratings, while obviously subject to flux over time, can be very important barometers of voter sentiment.

This professional poll indicates very high approval ratings for Fenty in three key wards that have been important factors in citywide elections, and for Rhee also (who, arguably, reinforces support for Fenty, given school reform is his signature issue).

You can dismiss the numbers if you wish, but any seasoned observer would not, regardless of their own opinions of the political figures involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is absurd to suggest that approval ratings are irrelevant, and/or without direct political impact.  You offer the example of Bush's historic lows, and somehow claim that because he was not impeached, the low numbers were irrelevant.  You also argue that the "only thing it did" was craft postmortem opinion of Bush.</p>
<p>Try telling that to the RNC, or to any now-former GOP members of Congress, or to any of the failed GOP candidates for statehouse seats.</p>
<p>Anyone who's worked in politics knows that approval ratings, while obviously subject to flux over time, can be very important barometers of voter sentiment.</p>
<p>This professional poll indicates very high approval ratings for Fenty in three key wards that have been important factors in citywide elections, and for Rhee also (who, arguably, reinforces support for Fenty, given school reform is his signature issue).</p>
<p>You can dismiss the numbers if you wish, but any seasoned observer would not, regardless of their own opinions of the political figures involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Q™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SG, approval ratings are more subjective than anything else.  Really what they represent are week-to-week popularity contest tracking.  You know, like in high school...Who&#039;s cool, etc.  True, 68% is more than a majority approval rating, but then you have to ask a majority approval of what.  When President George W. Bush had low 30% approval rating, that still didn&#039;t change the fact that he was president.  That didn&#039;t usher in some sort of impeachment.  The only thing it did was created some post-mortem opinion about him.  Adding more nails is Cheney&#039;s recent comments that Bush went soft.

If Bush went &quot;hard&quot; as Cheney would suggest, we&#039;d all be wearing gas masks, gasoline would be through the roof, and the casulty rate in Iraq and Afghanistan would be exponentially worse.

Forget about approval ratings.  Simply vote the man out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG, approval ratings are more subjective than anything else.  Really what they represent are week-to-week popularity contest tracking.  You know, like in high school...Who's cool, etc.  True, 68% is more than a majority approval rating, but then you have to ask a majority approval of what.  When President George W. Bush had low 30% approval rating, that still didn't change the fact that he was president.  That didn't usher in some sort of impeachment.  The only thing it did was created some post-mortem opinion about him.  Adding more nails is Cheney's recent comments that Bush went soft.</p>
<p>If Bush went "hard" as Cheney would suggest, we'd all be wearing gas masks, gasoline would be through the roof, and the casulty rate in Iraq and Afghanistan would be exponentially worse.</p>
<p>Forget about approval ratings.  Simply vote the man out.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Hurts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Hurts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll puke if Vince &quot;one city&quot; Gray runs for mayor. But the white republican out of state business fat cats who bankrolled his council chair campaign will be firing up cigars, singing &quot;Happy Days Are Here Again&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll puke if Vince "one city" Gray runs for mayor. But the white republican out of state business fat cats who bankrolled his council chair campaign will be firing up cigars, singing "Happy Days Are Here Again".</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, isn&#039;t his favorable rating 68%?  That&#039;s not low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, isn't his favorable rating 68%?  That's not low.</p>
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		<title>By: KCinDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KCinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They polled in Wards 1, 3, and 6 apparently because that&#039;s where the ward-level council races are next year, but why did they skip Ward 5? Harry Thomas Jr is up in 2010 as well.

Approval and reelection poll numbers for citywide offices are meaningless if the poll is only in three decidedly nonrepresentative wards out of eight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They polled in Wards 1, 3, and 6 apparently because that's where the ward-level council races are next year, but why did they skip Ward 5? Harry Thomas Jr is up in 2010 as well.</p>
<p>Approval and reelection poll numbers for citywide offices are meaningless if the poll is only in three decidedly nonrepresentative wards out of eight.</p>
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		<title>By: Downtown Rez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Downtown Rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good write-up, Erik.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good write-up, Erik.</p>
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		<title>By: Q™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ward 5, me too.  Even if they charged $20, especially in this economy, I can imagine long lines and the pollsters having to put a portable ATM nearby.  LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ward 5, me too.  Even if they charged $20, especially in this economy, I can imagine long lines and the pollsters having to put a portable ATM nearby.  LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Ward 5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ward 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q - I live in Ward 5 and typically I hate surveys but would have PAID to give someone my opinion of Fenty... It most certainly would not have HELPED his numbers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q - I live in Ward 5 and typically I hate surveys but would have PAID to give someone my opinion of Fenty... It most certainly would not have HELPED his numbers!</p>
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		<title>By: Q™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish MSG could get the DC Armory and modernize it.  That&#039;ll put a thumb in the eye of many of the venues in North West.  Outside of the Atlas Theater, what other venues exist in NE that could seat more than a couple hundred people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish MSG could get the DC Armory and modernize it.  That'll put a thumb in the eye of many of the venues in North West.  Outside of the Atlas Theater, what other venues exist in NE that could seat more than a couple hundred people?</p>
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