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	<title>Comments on: Disappearing Media Jobs: 1) Copy Editor; 2) Receptionist</title>
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		<title>By: Copy-Editing Corner: Are Bands &#8220;It&#8221;s or &#8220;They&#8221;s? - City Desk - Washington City Paper</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/05/disappearing_media_jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-643259</link>
		<dc:creator>Copy-Editing Corner: Are Bands &#8220;It&#8221;s or &#8220;They&#8221;s? - City Desk - Washington City Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog item yesterday about media organizations axing copy editors and receptionists set off a firestorm of comments about whether musical groups should be referred to as singular or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jerome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true! A wonderful book about this dying art: University of Chicago manuscript editor Carol Fisher Saller&#039;s The Subversive Copy Editor: Advice from Chicago (or, How to Negotiate Good Relationships with Your Writers, Your Colleagues, and Yourself). As I&#039;ve said about it before, good advice for copyeditors is just good advice for life in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true! A wonderful book about this dying art: University of Chicago manuscript editor Carol Fisher Saller's The Subversive Copy Editor: Advice from Chicago (or, How to Negotiate Good Relationships with Your Writers, Your Colleagues, and Yourself). As I've said about it before, good advice for copyeditors is just good advice for life in general.</p>
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		<title>By: pelham</title>
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		<dc:creator>pelham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Dave. When I worked on a rim years ago, I had a policy of correcting minor grammatical errors only if I could do so unobtrusively and elegantly. When I couldn&#039;t but was sufficiently disturbed by the error, I would politely run it by a senior editor or the writer. If he/she objected, I would leave it.

But to make a more general point: While it&#039;s true that some copy editors fall into that category of persnickety homebody cat owners, there&#039;s an enormous range of personalities and abilities on almost any newspaper&#039;s rim.

I&#039;ve worked at several big papers and can truthfully say that, almost without exception, the most capable people I ran across were copy editors. There are super-competent, fiercely loyal, sharp-eyed people on every desk who are supremely well-informed on a broad range of subjects, have unparalleled integrity and an unmatched passion for journalism.

Seems improbable, I know, but consider this: Copy editors usually work through the night. Unlike senior editors and reporters, they&#039;re not around to play office politics during the day, which, I believe, is the surest way to mush up one&#039;s mind and compromise one&#039;s principles. Copy editors have to read everything that goes into the paper (something most senior editors seem to have a great distaste for) and don&#039;t have their egos wrapped up in any particular piece of copy. They&#039;re the paper&#039;s greatest and best-informed critics--and as such a valuable resource that goes unused. (I&#039;ve often wondered what senior editors and reporters would think if they could simply hear the groans of dismay that sometimes greet their lovingly crafted prose when it hits the rim. If people being paid to read this stuff do so only reluctantly, why should we think the end users, the readers, will be thrilled with it?) 

If someone in the upper echelons at most papers would simply begin paying attention to their rims, they&#039;d find a gold mine for promotions (of course, this assumes they care more about the product than stroking their own and their dayside buddies&#039; egos). If an executive editor or managing editor were to have spent a few years rimming, I can almost guarantee that the newspaper he/she would put out would be a good deal livelier and sharper than the dull-as-dog-poop papers we see in so many markets today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Dave. When I worked on a rim years ago, I had a policy of correcting minor grammatical errors only if I could do so unobtrusively and elegantly. When I couldn't but was sufficiently disturbed by the error, I would politely run it by a senior editor or the writer. If he/she objected, I would leave it.</p>
<p>But to make a more general point: While it's true that some copy editors fall into that category of persnickety homebody cat owners, there's an enormous range of personalities and abilities on almost any newspaper's rim.</p>
<p>I've worked at several big papers and can truthfully say that, almost without exception, the most capable people I ran across were copy editors. There are super-competent, fiercely loyal, sharp-eyed people on every desk who are supremely well-informed on a broad range of subjects, have unparalleled integrity and an unmatched passion for journalism.</p>
<p>Seems improbable, I know, but consider this: Copy editors usually work through the night. Unlike senior editors and reporters, they're not around to play office politics during the day, which, I believe, is the surest way to mush up one's mind and compromise one's principles. Copy editors have to read everything that goes into the paper (something most senior editors seem to have a great distaste for) and don't have their egos wrapped up in any particular piece of copy. They're the paper's greatest and best-informed critics--and as such a valuable resource that goes unused. (I've often wondered what senior editors and reporters would think if they could simply hear the groans of dismay that sometimes greet their lovingly crafted prose when it hits the rim. If people being paid to read this stuff do so only reluctantly, why should we think the end users, the readers, will be thrilled with it?) </p>
<p>If someone in the upper echelons at most papers would simply begin paying attention to their rims, they'd find a gold mine for promotions (of course, this assumes they care more about the product than stroking their own and their dayside buddies' egos). If an executive editor or managing editor were to have spent a few years rimming, I can almost guarantee that the newspaper he/she would put out would be a good deal livelier and sharper than the dull-as-dog-poop papers we see in so many markets today.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a wonderful post, AB. You really revealed a lot about yourself (in a good way) by telling us about the copy editing arguments you regret.

As someone with experience in this, there is nothing more pointless and self-defeating than going to the mat over a miniscule detail in your copy. And yet, for a certain kind of person - me, you, many others - it&#039;s frustratingly irresistible.

Why do we do this to our coworkers and ourselves? I wish I knew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a wonderful post, AB. You really revealed a lot about yourself (in a good way) by telling us about the copy editing arguments you regret.</p>
<p>As someone with experience in this, there is nothing more pointless and self-defeating than going to the mat over a miniscule detail in your copy. And yet, for a certain kind of person - me, you, many others - it's frustratingly irresistible.</p>
<p>Why do we do this to our coworkers and ourselves? I wish I knew.</p>
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		<title>By: Chickenbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chickenbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and your fact-checker wife should ride off into the sunset now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and your fact-checker wife should ride off into the sunset now.</p>
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		<title>By: IMGoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMGoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hear you, &lt;b&gt;andrew&lt;/b&gt;. good editors in many fields are being written off as a luxury. my employer is no exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hear you, <b>andrew</b>. good editors in many fields are being written off as a luxury. my employer is no exception.</p>
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		<title>By: just sayin</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/08/05/disappearing_media_jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-643031</link>
		<dc:creator>just sayin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need a semi-colon-oscopy and a copy editor, quickly, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need a semi-colon-oscopy and a copy editor, quickly, please.</p>
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		<title>By: just sayin</title>
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		<dc:creator>just sayin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need a colon-oscopy.  That ain&#039;t no semi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need a colon-oscopy.  That ain't no semi.</p>
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