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		<title>By: hey</title>
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		<dc:creator>hey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crowley lied on the 911 caller.</description>
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		<title>By: the Motorhome Diaries &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogosphere Exposes Canadian Border Thuggery</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Motorhome Diaries &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogosphere Exposes Canadian Border Thuggery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Washington City Paper remarked that they were writing about Motor Home Diaries on Freedom Friday for the second time in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pete Eyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Eyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, thanks for the MHD mention. As you noted, we were headed into Canada for peaceful reasons (meetups in Montreal, Toronto and Windsor and to attend the Liberty Summer Seminar in Orono) but were denied entry. We posted a pretty thorough overview of what happened earlier today on our homepage if you or your readers are curious:

http://motorhomediaries.com/ohhhhh-canada/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, thanks for the MHD mention. As you noted, we were headed into Canada for peaceful reasons (meetups in Montreal, Toronto and Windsor and to attend the Liberty Summer Seminar in Orono) but were denied entry. We posted a pretty thorough overview of what happened earlier today on our homepage if you or your readers are curious:</p>
<p><a href="http://motorhomediaries.com/ohhhhh-canada/" rel="nofollow">http://motorhomediaries.com/ohhhhh-canada/</a></p>
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		<title>By: MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clothes based insults, lovely!  I am a pants-wearing liberal, judge as you will. And Mike, I know you will tirelessly fight the scourage that is &quot;Driving While Libertarian.&quot;  It has plagued this nation for far too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clothes based insults, lovely!  I am a pants-wearing liberal, judge as you will. And Mike, I know you will tirelessly fight the scourage that is "Driving While Libertarian."  It has plagued this nation for far too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Q™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike.  Unfortunately, Race is important in this instance but it masks the bigger issue of overzealous cops and potential Police Brutality.  Cops are human, have emotions, and have the ability to make good and bad judgments.  Still, we hold them to a higher ethical standard because of the oath they take to &quot;protect and serve.&quot;  Likewise we hold judges, doctors, ministers, and lawyers to a higher standard because we think that their mythical role/title garners them some transcendental ability to ALWAYS make the best ethical and moral decisions, as opposed to us commoners.  Wrong is still wrong and we people need to be aware that wrongdoing DOES occur and not be so sensitive about it.  Yesterday every conservative pundit and news organization was blasting Obama for his comments.  Is not Obama entitled to his own opinion, right, wrong, or neither?  According to them, NO...because Obama is the President and speaks with the highest of Executive Authority.  According to them, he is seen as a traitor to law enforcement all across the country, not to exclude the very ones that protect him...Secret Service, Metropolitan Police, etc.

Switching gears a bit, the overzealousness of Police is almost a double standard though.  If someone was breaking into my house, I would probably want the Cop to execute all force necessary to capture the suspect.  However, if said suspect was unjustly brutalized or even killed, I don&#039;t know if that would sit as well with me.  There must be balance.

Dr. Gates is unequivocally African-American.  Dr. Gates was entering his house in an unorthodox manner “wedging his shoulders in the front door” which tipped off a neighbor that something was awry.  The neighbor’s involvement begins and ends when she calls the Police.  Now I would imagine that even before the Police were called, the neighbor would take some time to identify the “suspect” i.e., older African-American man or even call out saying, “Hey Skip is that you?”  Unfortunately Cambridge, MA much like other cities are becoming less neighborly.

Once Sgt. Crowley arrived, both he and Dr. Gates overreacted and escalated this incident.  Dr. Gates pulling from his historical context of Police Brutality against African Americans, may have been justifiably angry, but was his conduct enough to warrant Disorderly Conduct?   As Disorderly Conduct is enforced, oftentimes it is at the officer’s discretion to make an arrest.  What Dr. Gates did via inciting remarks demonstrates a sincere bit of anger, hyperbole, and to some point privilege, but was it worthy of arrest?  That I don’t know.  It depends on the temperament of the officer.  Some can take it, some can’t.  My own personal experience with being pulled over or accosted has LESS to do with the offense, but moreso their temperament.  Since you can’t determine what side of the bed they woke up on, it is best to keep outrage to a minimum and when they react unjustly, file a complaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike.  Unfortunately, Race is important in this instance but it masks the bigger issue of overzealous cops and potential Police Brutality.  Cops are human, have emotions, and have the ability to make good and bad judgments.  Still, we hold them to a higher ethical standard because of the oath they take to "protect and serve."  Likewise we hold judges, doctors, ministers, and lawyers to a higher standard because we think that their mythical role/title garners them some transcendental ability to ALWAYS make the best ethical and moral decisions, as opposed to us commoners.  Wrong is still wrong and we people need to be aware that wrongdoing DOES occur and not be so sensitive about it.  Yesterday every conservative pundit and news organization was blasting Obama for his comments.  Is not Obama entitled to his own opinion, right, wrong, or neither?  According to them, NO...because Obama is the President and speaks with the highest of Executive Authority.  According to them, he is seen as a traitor to law enforcement all across the country, not to exclude the very ones that protect him...Secret Service, Metropolitan Police, etc.</p>
<p>Switching gears a bit, the overzealousness of Police is almost a double standard though.  If someone was breaking into my house, I would probably want the Cop to execute all force necessary to capture the suspect.  However, if said suspect was unjustly brutalized or even killed, I don't know if that would sit as well with me.  There must be balance.</p>
<p>Dr. Gates is unequivocally African-American.  Dr. Gates was entering his house in an unorthodox manner “wedging his shoulders in the front door” which tipped off a neighbor that something was awry.  The neighbor’s involvement begins and ends when she calls the Police.  Now I would imagine that even before the Police were called, the neighbor would take some time to identify the “suspect” i.e., older African-American man or even call out saying, “Hey Skip is that you?”  Unfortunately Cambridge, MA much like other cities are becoming less neighborly.</p>
<p>Once Sgt. Crowley arrived, both he and Dr. Gates overreacted and escalated this incident.  Dr. Gates pulling from his historical context of Police Brutality against African Americans, may have been justifiably angry, but was his conduct enough to warrant Disorderly Conduct?   As Disorderly Conduct is enforced, oftentimes it is at the officer’s discretion to make an arrest.  What Dr. Gates did via inciting remarks demonstrates a sincere bit of anger, hyperbole, and to some point privilege, but was it worthy of arrest?  That I don’t know.  It depends on the temperament of the officer.  Some can take it, some can’t.  My own personal experience with being pulled over or accosted has LESS to do with the offense, but moreso their temperament.  Since you can’t determine what side of the bed they woke up on, it is best to keep outrage to a minimum and when they react unjustly, file a complaint.</p>
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		<title>By: H in Africa</title>
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		<dc:creator>H in Africa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TOUCHE SALESMAN! srsly MN, that kind of comment I would expect at a JCrew wearing middle class yuppie site like Harpers. But dubCP? Come on man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOUCHE SALESMAN! srsly MN, that kind of comment I would expect at a JCrew wearing middle class yuppie site like Harpers. But dubCP? Come on man.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Riggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Riggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MN Are you saying that because Police abuse in the U.S. isn&#039;t as bad as police abuse in Burma, we shouldn&#039;t talk about it? 

What else would you apply that standard to? Would you apply it to the word &quot;poor&quot;? The poorest Americans are much, much better off than 99% of Haitians. Would you apply it to health care? Congolese parents can&#039;t walk into an emergency room when their kid comes down with food poisoning, so the American uninsured don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;actually&lt;/em&gt; have a problem?

Everything happens on a scale, MN.

And for the record, I never claimed to be oppressed. But the millions of Americans who will spend decades of their lives in jail for nonviolent crimes--many of those sentences longer based on the color of the offender&#039;s skin--those people are oppressed. 

Put down the Kristof column and look out your fucking window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MN Are you saying that because Police abuse in the U.S. isn't as bad as police abuse in Burma, we shouldn't talk about it? </p>
<p>What else would you apply that standard to? Would you apply it to the word "poor"? The poorest Americans are much, much better off than 99% of Haitians. Would you apply it to health care? Congolese parents can't walk into an emergency room when their kid comes down with food poisoning, so the American uninsured don't <em>actually</em> have a problem?</p>
<p>Everything happens on a scale, MN.</p>
<p>And for the record, I never claimed to be oppressed. But the millions of Americans who will spend decades of their lives in jail for nonviolent crimes--many of those sentences longer based on the color of the offender's skin--those people are oppressed. </p>
<p>Put down the Kristof column and look out your fucking window.</p>
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		<title>By: MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, while I&#039;ve certainly observed things that I find excessive (seeing two or three cop cars used for a routine traffic stop is a favorite, becuase y&#039;know two officers just isn&#039;t enough to write a traffic ticket), you ain&#039;t oppressed.  

People in Burma are opressed, people in Tiawan are opressed.  You are doing fine.  Put down the books by that Texas ob/gyn and read a Nick Kristof column or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, while I've certainly observed things that I find excessive (seeing two or three cop cars used for a routine traffic stop is a favorite, becuase y'know two officers just isn't enough to write a traffic ticket), you ain't oppressed.  </p>
<p>People in Burma are opressed, people in Tiawan are opressed.  You are doing fine.  Put down the books by that Texas ob/gyn and read a Nick Kristof column or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry Al Gonzales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angry Al Gonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfectly put, Riggs.  Cops look for opportunities to assert their will.  It&#039;s all about power.  I&#039;ve seen white lawyers, dentists, doctors, &amp; rich people slammed to the ground &amp; cuffed, once for asking &quot;why&quot; when told to move along.

Cops are trained to arrest anyone who objects to or says anything about their actions.  Add to that the fact that weak, insecure people have a psychological need to obtain power &amp; so often become cops, it&#039;s a dangerous mix.

Cops are just power mad &amp; power hungry.  Cops are pigs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfectly put, Riggs.  Cops look for opportunities to assert their will.  It's all about power.  I've seen white lawyers, dentists, doctors, &amp; rich people slammed to the ground &amp; cuffed, once for asking "why" when told to move along.</p>
<p>Cops are trained to arrest anyone who objects to or says anything about their actions.  Add to that the fact that weak, insecure people have a psychological need to obtain power &amp; so often become cops, it's a dangerous mix.</p>
<p>Cops are just power mad &amp; power hungry.  Cops are pigs.</p>
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		<title>By: IntangibleArts</title>
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		<dc:creator>IntangibleArts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. Amen. Etc.
Absolutely the problem isn&#039;t exclusively one of race (though it&#039;s certainly in there), it&#039;s this rancid arrogance on the part of coppers everywhere. I&#039;m sure there are a few decent police, but they&#039;re far outnumbered by the thuggish pigs that doubtless pursued a career in &quot;law enforcement&quot; as a means to legitimize some hostility issues. Seems like most of &#039;em were pissed on in the 3rd grade playground and now they&#039;re out to punish the world. Bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. Amen. Etc.<br />
Absolutely the problem isn't exclusively one of race (though it's certainly in there), it's this rancid arrogance on the part of coppers everywhere. I'm sure there are a few decent police, but they're far outnumbered by the thuggish pigs that doubtless pursued a career in "law enforcement" as a means to legitimize some hostility issues. Seems like most of 'em were pissed on in the 3rd grade playground and now they're out to punish the world. Bastards.</p>
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