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By: Animalia_Libero

Animalia_Libero — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:28:37 +0000

The only beings that need to be protected from people are the nonhuman animals being tortured, poisoned, gassed, and so forth in laboratories.

All of the people that whine about being picketed should really spend their lives in a laboratory cage and then try complaining.

On top of this, it is a first amendment right to do these protests. Taking it away is to deny the constitution.

By: Colleen

Colleen — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:22:07 +0000

Mike B, I beg to disagree, Eliz and the first Mike
determined that to care was equated to
terrorism and extremist behavior- I would like
to not let the true exremist behavior leave the
forefront here- animal abusers, whether mentally ill
or corporately paid, it is all the same to
me and many others.

By: Mike DeBonis

Mike DeBonis — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:27:59 +0000

I am no advocate of animal cruelty, Colleen, but those issues are somewhat separate from the issues at hand here.

By: Colleen

Colleen — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:55:44 +0000

Hey Mike, maybe you want to look at cat labotomy
videos while you change the topic at hand?
Maybe I could send pictures of dogs in
acute distress from front lobe trauma,
or your basic primate having his entrails removed
without anesthesia, does that work for you?
Why do people who have nothing to gain
come to the defense of a defenseless corporation
unless there is something in their own lives or
past that spells abuse. I don't get it.
Either you say - they are animals and anything goes
or you say no- they have the right to their
integral being and should not be used for the
unjust, beligerent needs of humans. What makes
the human animal so special? When you answer that
remember it might just might, possibly apply to
all species.

By: Mike Licht

Mike Licht — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:39:09 +0000

Hey, how 'bout ccalling in some of those concerned, caring animal rights activitsts from Santa Cruz?

By: colleen

colleen — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:21:50 +0000

ELIZ- "my word", what loving care are you referring to?
The care we are obliged to give animals of all kinds
but rarely do? I refer to land use and the inability of
most greedy humans to realize that wild space benefits
all species on the planet, or do you refer to fluffy
cats and dogs who are bred, over bred and live filthy
lives in puppy mills so some low life can have an income?
Are you referring to the lovely care they get in fur farms, where they are 1/2 starved and live in filth cages
circling each other before they get their necks broken
or gassed?
Did you know that with all of the thousands of nice people doing rescue, transport, rehoming, sanctuary
that still about 80% of all new "pets in homes" are
from breeders and pet stores while millions of animals
get the needle/ gas or worse?
Where are all the nice people who care about animals
but don't take the time to find out that their shampoo's
and food coloring are tested on other types of farm
animals, mice and rats? That they are needlesslytortured to the NTH degree and then disposed of in a land fill?
What responsibility does anyone take for any of that, except a handful of people who can't sleep at night, and
you who probably don't get off your back end to do anything for anyone but yourself has the gaul to call
other people names that should be reserved for the
worst of humanity. Well as soon as you see the light
and quit revolving around yourself as center of the
universe, you might want to volunteer for one of the
many animals I hear about, beaten in the head
with a golf club or ears burned off and left for dead.
It's about doing something, not complaining about the
ones that do something. Unless I'm mistaken, you
probably make your living off the backs of the innocent
animals don't you?

By: Elizabeth

Elizabeth — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:07:52 +0000

Animal "rights"?? Animals need loving care NOT "rights" For the truth about the animal rights terrorists check out these websites - http://www.naiaonline.org http://www.animalscam.com http://www.humanewatch.com

By: Colleen

Colleen — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:15:15 +0000

If one has a notion of respect for the law,
public space should be open for public
assembly and public discourse [free speech]
so that would constitute the sidewalk or
public easement, if there is not a side walk
built in front of a property- which divides
the private space from the street.
If the people doing the demos knock on the
door and go back to the public space
this does not constitute trespass, unless
the location is posted in advance. Matt is
correct,and the law exists already.
If one takes an action [works as a vivesector
or promotes vivesection] , the public should and does
have a right to say something about it.
In the case of JH saying primate vivesection
does not exist in this day an age "he" is either
a very big wishful thinker, mis informed, or
"writing" on behalf of the corporate vivesector giants.

By: Matt

Matt — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:01:44 +0000

I’ve spent the last couple hours reading up on this, from both sides. It seems to me that Council Member Cheh has something of a point. There’s a difference between an organized, peaceful protest, and banging on people’s front doors and generally harassing/threatening them. I don’t think an arbitrary ban of home demos is a justifiable solution, but I do think clearer definitions of what constitutes a home demo should be decided upon. One possible action the “victims” of these demonstrations could take, is by hanging “no trespassing” signs on their property. Sure, some of them may have homes situated closely to the street, so that may not help them too much, but that’s kind of their problem, if you ask me. Even so, there has to be a line drawn somewhere; I don’t care what these people are being accused of by the protesters.

Some one stated earlier that outlawing demos will only backfire. If protesting is outlawed, then you’ll get outlaws doing the protesting. I agree.

That said, this connection with Alice Rivlin is pretty fucking tenuous, at best. From what I can find, her so-called “huge” campaign contributions to Cheh have amounted to a whopping $500 in 2006. That’s according to the DC office of campaign finance. Also, even if her contribution were larger, she’s not even directly connected to this ass-bag corporation that hurts/kills the animals! She represents the NYSE, whose horrible crime is allowing Huntingdon’s stock to be traded. Welcome to the USA! Do you think that was solely her decision or that she was involved in it, whatsoever? And really, of all the horrible things corporations do on a daily basis, why are people wigging-out over this relatively small one, that by comparison, does nowhere near the amount of horrific acts that a corporation like Monsanto does? I understand people’s frustrations regarding the animal abuse, but there are much bigger fish to fry, is what I’m saying. A lot of these protesters come off sounding like unreasonable lunatics, grasping for anything they can possibly exploit. That may or may not be the case, but perception is often more valued than the truth.

I think people should be allowed to protest people where they live, but there needs to be a definition of what that entails, before people on either side end up catching a bullet in the face. I plan to write Cheh, and tell her just that.

By: JH

JH — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:30:06 +0000

One has free speech, but one does not have the right to harass people in private spaces. You don't have the right to threaten other people or firebomb their cars or homes. Vivisection of chimps is no longer done, so quit lying and using old films to justify your actions. You are nothing more than terrorists. You have a right to free speech, but you do not have the right to intimidate or harass people who have broken no laws. Their homes is not their place of business. This is still America and people have the right to peace in their homes. You are all acting like Nazis demanding that people think and act like you. You are the people who hate American and hate other people so much that you threaten and harass them from legitimate useful work that protects people from disease and harm. You lie to justify your actions, but nothing can justify threatening to harm another person. We will not let you take over this country. You will not shut down farming, the owning of animals or medical research. Go find another country to live in. Lets see how you would do in China.

By: Lisa

Lisa — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:03:37 +0000

It is so disturbing to me that Orwell was right. We have lost America, as Lincoln warned if America is destroyed it will be by our own doing. There is overwhelming support for commerce no matter who gets killed or how devestated the environment is. The First Amendment is one of our most important founding pricipals, but here we have legislators and people who hate America so much that they want to shoot, arrest, and shut up people who are defending victims of cruel expiriments for profit.
Ironically, while we are protesting something so important (the brutal torture and killing of 500 animals everyday), the neighbors who are protesting us with threats of shooting us and arresting us, and sicking homeland security on us, are protesting because they don't lke the noise. How is that right?

By: Colleen

Colleen — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:55:03 +0000

and yes, Lynne
if you think a bullet in the butt for protesters
is appropriate to their learning curve, you ought
to see a live primate vivesection where the poor
creature gets no anesthesia and then gets to scream
through the whole surgical procedure-
or maybe a cat labotomy for the sake of some
cosmetic; then we can talk "discomfort"
-of course when some human does that to a human
I certainly wouldn't condone some home demo in front
of his house- it might disturb the neighbors
and make them think about something other than
themselves

By: Colleen

Colleen — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:49:29 +0000

Note- all of you so called flag waving Americans.
Generations of soldiers have gone to war to fight for
the freedoms of speech we enjoy in this country, but
thru the last 8 years of government suppression and the
last 30 years of growing "selfishness" the main base
of the population has translated freedom of speech into
- free speech is only good if I agree with it, all
other speech is inconvenient and needs to be silenced.
Well, if you have some free time on your hands and
aren't too busy shopping you might want to read some history books. Dissent keeps us free. Willingess to
take to the streets, to express outrage keeps a vent
on the masses. Shut it all down and revolution will
follow. If the people who really believe they are
the center of the universe and "above" being called out
on their actions are allowed to not be taken to task
good luck when it isn't just selfish people at the
reins, but evil ones.

By: Lynne

Lynne — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:40:46 +0000

When someone has to put a bullet in the butt of one of these foolish "protestors" they'll get the message.These nuts really need to get a life.....and eat a steak, its really good.