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Sarah Palin and the Baby Beard

Sarah Palin told everybody that all the Palins are proud proud proud that her baby's having a baby.

Really? So is she the one who decided that Bristol, the five-months pregnant teen, would carry youngest-for-now Trig (even their names are tragic) throughout the big coming out party in Ohio last week?

How come the snowmobile racing musher husband stood hands-free while poor poor Bristol was saddled with Trig? One on her and one in her, as Dolly Parton would say, all morning long?

Could it be because the little one and the huge blanket she had wrapped around her covered the round mound at her midsection ?

Poor Trig was a beard?

Sure he was. That's pretty sick, ain't it?

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  • QBert

    ...or perhaps it is common for candidates and their spouses to shake hands, hug, and generally interact with crowds (which it is), and dropping a baby to shake someone's hand wouldn't be cool.

    I think we're getting just a little partisan here. Stay focused. This is still about abilities and positions (and experience to some). No need to stoop.

  • billy

    i noticed the same thing. they were obviously trying to lie to the public until they got caught. once again celebrity palin's ambition is more important than the family. nice family values hicks.

  • Dave McKenna

    QBert:
    Couple problems with your benefit-of-the-doubt plea here, Qbert.
    The Palin family was in the grandstands during Mom's speech; there was no meet and greet going on as you suggest.

    And, secondly, are you really arguing that apart from letting the strapping dad carry the kid, the only other option available to the Palins was to make the very pregnant kid carry the load? The very pregnant kid was a more fitting choice for this physical labor than the brother going to Iraq? (Remember that the Palin kids are off limits next time Sarah pumps up her kid's future service, won't you?)

    Please, Qbert.

    Remind me not to recommend your obstetric services to anybody, won't you?

    But thanks for playing the feud!

  • billy

    these power hungry hicks are really sickos. i shutter at the thought that this flat earth creationist that gives her pregnant daughter hard labor to lie to America would be a heartbeat away. Somewhere Osama Bin Laden is very happy with this turn of events.

  • tom jones

    Good observation. I noticed the towel over her belly for 2 hours also. This was a transparent attempt to hide the pregnancy from the public. Along with her flip flop on the bridge to nowhere and her ethics inquiry I think a pattern is emerging. Palin is not to be trusted or voted for if you have any morals at all.

  • QBert

    Dave:

    Again, why are you wasting so much energy on where a baby is? How about using it on the incredible contradictions between this person's policies and statements. It makes just about as much sense as going after Clinton for grabbing a hummer at his desk. I thought we were better than that.

    I'm not sure which event you saw. I saw the one in Dayton because frankly it was the only one that was newsworthy to me, so we might be seeing something different. I saw the baby in Bristol's arms and the family all standing behind Gov Palin and next to the McCain gang.

    None of this is so odd because every single rally I have actually wanted to watch (or got stuck watching) included both candidates and spouses making physical contact with each other and the crowd. This is the norm: it's not the exclusive copyright of any party, and for dorkier or cooler it's standard operating procedure.

    I'm really sure what in world you mean by not recommending me as an OB/GYN since I said nothing at all about obstetrics or about evaluating anyone's pregnancy status. That is truly one of the weirdest comments you said in a string of oddities.

    Again, I am not a doctor but in this case I'm going to go out on a ledge and recommend less coffee.

    Another strange diversion in your retort: nobody said the kids were on or off limits. What I said was this was about the candidate and you know it.

    Stop stooping - I know it hurts to think there are people in the electorate that will bite on the soldier son thing hook, line, and sinker, but your article and your response indicate you're more than a tad touchy about it and ready to take the same low road. You seem to think these people are pants for their manipulation of irrelevant information yet you're not outside taking the same tack. That's weak and your editorial skills alone imply a more advanced intellect.

    Please, Dave. You're bigger than that, aren't you?

  • Dave McKenna

    QBert:

    "I’m not sure which event you saw. I saw the one in Dayton because frankly it was the only one that was newsworthy to me, so we might be seeing something different."

    Please, Q. Don't be so phony. We saw what we saw. You choose to misrepresent or ignore. To settle this, let's refer to the Edward R. Murrow-inspired website, Celebrity-Gossip.net, shall we, Q?

    http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/bristol-palin-pregnancy-stirs-up-mccain-campaign-207414/

    Grandstand, Q! Grandstand! Sure, Sarah Palin forced her daughter to continue to carry the baby beard with her onstage after the speech, also. That's sick, right?

    So, since your whole argument is now based on your selective and bad memory, I'm assuming you're with me now, Q?

    And yes, I am a lot bigger than that, if by "that" you mean most of the cast of Biggest Loser. I should carry a baby and a blanket around to cover up my midsection, too. But it's hurtful for you bring that up. You're bigger than that, Q!

    But thanks for playing the feud!

  • Ernest

    Focus on ability? Experience? That’s what you said, Qber?

    The governor of state that has more bears than it has people, the great majority of whom are rednecks. What sort of ability and experience is she to bring to Washington? How to shoot Caribou?.. Salmon fishing?… Snowmobile competition?… And than this: Bristol, Willow, Trigg… What’s next? Goosetwist??… Something is off. And that daughter of hers is a quite a breeder. I hear it’s her second one. Is she not supposed to focus on education at this age? The arts and sciences, religion even. I understand about trailer parks or inner city ghettos, but the nation’s would be VP‘s family??... This is most vexing.

  • QBert

    Ern:

    Again, we've got to get off the namecalling and value judging. I thought Democrats left that work to the Republicans. But since we're on it and you guys have proven I can be a Democrat and still use epithets and completely unrelated information to make decisions on who should lead the country, here goes:

    Yah, I heard her daughter actually has two vaginas ease the odds of conception as well. And Gov Palin had a baby microwave installed to cut down on the pregnancy timeline. John McCain loves sheep, Barack Obama gets happy endings after every speech, and Joe Biden is in an Amtrak swingers' club.

    You ask, "what is next?"

    I agree wholeheartedly.

  • QBert

    Dave:

    "Don't be so phony." Uh-what?

    "Misrepresent or ignore." You didn't even address what I said in the first place. I said it is normal for candidates and their spouses to interact with each other and the crowd. You have yet to acknowledge this because it completely destroys your point.

    Uncloud yourself. This isn't about selective or bad memory, it's about the de facto format of a political rally. It would be like you questioning me for saying something like "We hold these truths to be self evident". I know W would just call it a piece of paper, I call it fact and reality.

    OK, now you're making me laugh. You're not supposed to do that! But you've got me on one important point here: Celebrity-Gossip.net is the preeminent news and information source. You can tell because, rather than having the obscure options of celebritygossip.com, celebritygossip.net, celebrity.com, celebrities.com, or even gossip.com they went for the much hipper, easier, and more logical choice.

    (I'm kinda being a smartypants there but in all honesty I know you were making a funny and it did give me good crack-ups.)

    BTW, I'm bigger too. Had to eat a tiny PB&J for lunch just to try to squeeze a few pounds out of this cherubic frame and get my butt back into my suit. I wonder how the ladies do that?

  • Dave McKenna

    Qbert:
    again, look at the photo, with Bristol holding TRIG THE BABY BEARD in the grandstands, and just stop typing.

    your phoniness --- uhhh, what grandstands? uhhhh, dad had to interact! uhhh...obstetrics? --- is really peeving me now.

    in other words, disingenuous as you're surely being here, you're good at this Feud thing!

    thanks for playing!

  • William

    I think that you hurt Qber’s feelings, Ernest. You pushed him to extremes. There’s nothing but vaginas in his head by now.

  • Ernest

    William, it was really nothing. Qber a tedious waste of a poster. Damn him, anyway.

    It is Sarah.P I'm most seriously displeased with right now. Imagine the consequences for the country.

  • QBert

    Billy:

    Honestly, really not hurt. Just hoping we can focus on the actual election and not some knocked up daughter. I know there's nothing personal just as much as I know it's impossible to get people to focus on the actual candidates and their positions. That doesn't hurt me nearly as much as it hurts you when things don't go our way, because what you've missed in all this is we're politically on the same side.

    Ernest:

    Agreed. You should be displeased with Sarah P. Sorry you feel I'm a tedious waste of a poster. Refer to my response above, really try objectivity for a second, and realize it's never a waste to try to bring yourself back to what's important. That would be something like "Sarah P is a right wing extremist because she believes women should not have choice with their bodies" rather than "That Sarah Palin is a redneck".

    Sad part is that - again, as stated above - we're on the same side of this battle and all this BS about who is the bigger redneck and who is pregnant is more important in the dialog than who will suck ON THE ISSUES as President or VP, and it's gotten so bad people choose to launch personal attacks rather than slowing down long enough to read.

  • QBert

    Dave:

    Not being disingenious, stupid, drunk, phony, or grandstanding. Just hoping you'll come back with me to realityland, where Democrats get elected instead of losing election after presidential election. If we lose focus, we're screwed. All of us.

    Oh, and please don't get peeved. Who will come out and play with you if you get peeved?

  • http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/showandtell/ Amanda Hess

    blog comment threads: where political "focus" goes to die

  • QBert

    Hi Amanda - Now that's what I'm talking about!

  • Bobby

    Does QB ever shut up?

    Yes, Ernest, THE ISSUES. Have you bothered to checkk Sarah's stand on the ISSUES?

  • Peggy

    Indeed, Ernest, you should focus on THE ISSUES. Well, have you? Of course, you haven’t. You like to find fault in others instead.

    Rudeness will get you nowhere, Bobby. I find QB rather jolly, actually.

  • Ted Scheinman

    Hmm. I'm sensing some sexual tension 'twixt Peggy & Ernest.

  • Dave McKenna

    Abstinence, my friends! Abstinence!

  • QBert

    Peggy - with that you've completely stolen my heart. If only I hadn't been told so long ago as a child to "just say no". I wish we could break the rules this once but Dave says it's not to be.

  • Ernest

    The Hockey Mom dished out a speech last night. The ISSUES? She is completely ignorant of them, for sure. To think they might install her in the White House.

    QBert, why don't you "break the rules" with Ted instead? I know Dave could make exception just this once. Nothing will make Ted more glad.

  • Peggy

    Ernest, you are bad.

    There’s no tension, Mr. Scheinman. I believe the rewards of reflection and observation are much greater than those of sexual connection, thank you very much.

  • Doris

    As with all candidates, Palins' data is so very easy to come by with so little effort. Online archival research of public records and actual (factual) news isn't rocket science. Let's forego the speculative, knee-jerk unresearched reactions, laden with political and personal avarices and bias. Let's at least give the Reps and Dems a constituency worth serving, let alone spare the planet our shameless Americanized immaturities.

    Oh, Palins didn't force their daughter to keep her child. Neither was she the only one holding the newborn. Alaska having 'more bears than people' is your own sad self-commentary. Palin's stance isn't 'women having no choice over their personal bodies', rather personal accountability for intimacies' results and preventing punitively euthanizing inconvenient unborn. Further, Germany etal have successfully used cellulite for decades instead of stem cell, revealing the underlying motives. To those in any world-class fishing industry, the names of the Palin children make total sense. Ted Stevens, and corrupt oil cronies needed cleaning out long ago. It was Palin who (literally) stood up to them and brought them into accountability. And the Bridge to Nowhere? Enough said. She gave Alaskans back money the oil's ached to pocket, and she openly stated her grievings for the court's Exxon-Valdez spill closure. Troopergate was proven long before it became a 'media blast'. Years ago, two remote Alaskan Girl Scouts dressed out a beaver (part of their daily lifestyle anyway), and animal rights activists contorted it into a national travesty against wilderness life. WashDC couldn't figure, out years further back, that anyone hungry enough to need to hunt and eat a (loathsome) muskrat during Alaska's deep-winter season isn't criminal. Housing construction, insurance industry, fishing, etc etc all factor in better living quality due to the severe weather season. Remote ANWR's total drill objective has an LAX size footprint. Palin's National Guard headship, her corruption clean up, her NRA lifetime membership, her sanctity of life stand, her economic, resource, international stands... the vote is clear McC+SP.

  • Wasila, Resident

    Here is a native Wasilla resident who is not afraid to speak out about Sarah Palin.Sean-492003ABOUT SARAH PALIN

    I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

    She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

    It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

    She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

    She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

    She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

    Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

    Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

    She's smart.

    Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

    During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

    Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

    The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit- generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

    While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.
    These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

    As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state. In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

    She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

    While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

    Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

    As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex- husband, a State Trooper.

    Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in- law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

    She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

    Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

    When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

    As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

    As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance-- but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

    She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

    Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

    As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

    Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiative that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.
    McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

    There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

    However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

    CLAIM VS FACT

    *"Hockey mom": true for a few years

    *"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since

    *"NRA supporter": absolutely true

    *social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconstitutional) .

    *pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.

    *"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation

    *"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.

    *political maverick: not at all

    *gutsy: absolutely!

    *open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.

    *has a developed philosophy of public policy: no

    *"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots.

    Is pro- drilling off-shore and in ANWR.

    *fiscal conservative: not by my definition!

    *pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.

    *pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents

    *pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.

    *pro-labor/pro- union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro- union.

    WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

    First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

    Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

    Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

    Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

    Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

  • Dave McKenna

    Wasila, Resident:
    You can't spell the town's name or give your own? and i've seen this exact post on a few hundred sites already. there aren't many rules to The Feud, but you're breaking some of 'em!

    i do wonder who really wrote this...

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