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	<title>Comments on: Keepin&#8217; Brightwood Park Safe?</title>
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		<title>By: dc_publius</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/08/22/keepin-brightwood-park-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-260215</link>
		<dc:creator>dc_publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because they didn&#039;t shot you in the back (yet) doesn&#039;t mean they are keeping you safe.  The &#039;small timers&#039; you are talking about are the same people who steal your bicycle and hold up people at knife point at night.  (Dealing doesn&#039;t pay much for small timers)   

Being scared of fliers and police presence instead?  Completely irrational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because they didn't shot you in the back (yet) doesn't mean they are keeping you safe.  The 'small timers' you are talking about are the same people who steal your bicycle and hold up people at knife point at night.  (Dealing doesn't pay much for small timers)   </p>
<p>Being scared of fliers and police presence instead?  Completely irrational.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t fuss, Madam. William was only joking. Isn&#039;t it right, Bill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't fuss, Madam. William was only joking. Isn't it right, Bill?</p>
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		<title>By: Lulu</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/08/22/keepin-brightwood-park-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-259549</link>
		<dc:creator>Lulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll give you a refund little weasel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll give you a refund little weasel.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/08/22/keepin-brightwood-park-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-259309</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there is money back guarantee? There should be: If customer is not completely satisfied, the dealer  issues full refund no questons asked. 

I hear in the sex industry they&#039;re already doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is money back guarantee? There should be: If customer is not completely satisfied, the dealer  issues full refund no questons asked. </p>
<p>I hear in the sex industry they're already doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Riggs</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/08/22/keepin-brightwood-park-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-257445</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Riggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil: Agreed. An example of price gouging if ever there was one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil: Agreed. An example of price gouging if ever there was one.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/08/22/keepin-brightwood-park-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-257367</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$15 for a joint?

Now, &lt;b&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/b&gt; a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$15 for a joint?</p>
<p>Now, <b>that's</b> a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Stating the Obvious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stating the Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how the argument has subtly shifted from Mike Riggs being an idiot and saying that he feels safer in the company of (white) dealers who somehow magically keep the neighborhood at equilibrium then cops who enforce the law and aren&#039;t the ones robbing/stealing/murdering.  Maybe you should go back to Reason and polish up a bit more....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how the argument has subtly shifted from Mike Riggs being an idiot and saying that he feels safer in the company of (white) dealers who somehow magically keep the neighborhood at equilibrium then cops who enforce the law and aren't the ones robbing/stealing/murdering.  Maybe you should go back to Reason and polish up a bit more....</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not overcomplicate the issue. Criminalizing drugs serves the dual purpose of creation of jobs in law enforcement and keeping the drug trade inclined &#8220;identity groups in certain geographies&#8221; from branching out into much worse, more dreadful crimes. The former (not unlike criminalization of Latino migration) also ensures that a significant chunk of potentially crime prone population is out of the harm&#8217;s way by being safely engaged at the expense of the taxpayer. In sum, from the view of those in power, the illegal drug trade is a lesser evil, apparently. Ultimately, it&#8217;s all about keeping the populace under a tighter control, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's not overcomplicate the issue. Criminalizing drugs serves the dual purpose of creation of jobs in law enforcement and keeping the drug trade inclined &#8220;identity groups in certain geographies&#8221; from branching out into much worse, more dreadful crimes. The former (not unlike criminalization of Latino migration) also ensures that a significant chunk of potentially crime prone population is out of the harm&#8217;s way by being safely engaged at the expense of the taxpayer. In sum, from the view of those in power, the illegal drug trade is a lesser evil, apparently. Ultimately, it&#8217;s all about keeping the populace under a tighter control, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Riggs</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/08/22/keepin-brightwood-park-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-256428</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Riggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: You cite a story about cigarette trafficking from southern states with lax regulation to northern states with excessive regulation as evidence that deregulation creates more problems than it solves? Unless you have a better example, that &lt;em&gt;Post&lt;/em&gt; story proves my point, as well as brings up a new point about the issues facing interstate commerce.

And while I may have waxed idealistic when I said, &quot;[T]he work of drug dealers would be no less...&quot;, I&#039;m not kidding when I say that ending the drug war would change the way we look at poverty. We&#039;d need only a fraction of the billions we&#039;ve invested--annually and since the late &#039;60s--in locking people up, to co-fund (along with the states) rehabilitation programs nationwide. Think of the number of men and women who would taste freedom for the first time in over a decade if we commuted mandatory minimum sentences. And with the drug war over, we&#039;d have the money to help them get back on their feet.

Would there still be criminals? Of course. But are all drug dealers lazy? I&#039;ve met dealers who work a full time job on top of dealing--driving cabs, working in the service sector, in government, in the arts--and their knowledge of different types of drugs would make them a valuable asset in the new economic sector of legal recreational substance sales. 

Poverty and crime will still be issues, because their roots extend into the failure of the public school system, and a number of other government-backed failed social experiments.

But ending the drug war is a good place to start.

[As to insulting readers--it&#039;s hard to keep one&#039;s cool when called human waste, a kkk-sympathizer, ignorant southerner, etc.,etc. Nevertheless, I&#039;ll try and curb future temptations to respond to anonymous commenters with their own level of courtesy.] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: You cite a story about cigarette trafficking from southern states with lax regulation to northern states with excessive regulation as evidence that deregulation creates more problems than it solves? Unless you have a better example, that <em>Post</em> story proves my point, as well as brings up a new point about the issues facing interstate commerce.</p>
<p>And while I may have waxed idealistic when I said, "[T]he work of drug dealers would be no less...", I'm not kidding when I say that ending the drug war would change the way we look at poverty. We'd need only a fraction of the billions we've invested--annually and since the late '60s--in locking people up, to co-fund (along with the states) rehabilitation programs nationwide. Think of the number of men and women who would taste freedom for the first time in over a decade if we commuted mandatory minimum sentences. And with the drug war over, we'd have the money to help them get back on their feet.</p>
<p>Would there still be criminals? Of course. But are all drug dealers lazy? I've met dealers who work a full time job on top of dealing--driving cabs, working in the service sector, in government, in the arts--and their knowledge of different types of drugs would make them a valuable asset in the new economic sector of legal recreational substance sales. </p>
<p>Poverty and crime will still be issues, because their roots extend into the failure of the public school system, and a number of other government-backed failed social experiments.</p>
<p>But ending the drug war is a good place to start.</p>
<p>[As to insulting readers--it's hard to keep one's cool when called human waste, a kkk-sympathizer, ignorant southerner, etc.,etc. Nevertheless, I'll try and curb future temptations to respond to anonymous commenters with their own level of courtesy.]</p>
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		<title>By: reuben</title>
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		<dc:creator>reuben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what is your solution, Michael?
I like the line from &quot;The Wire&quot; when (then) Officer Carver said- &quot;You can&#039;t call the shit a war. Wars end.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is your solution, Michael?<br />
I like the line from "The Wire" when (then) Officer Carver said- "You can't call the shit a war. Wars end."</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike you should do some research into the very real turf wars over alcohol and tobacco and the very illegal activities that go into controlling it before making assumptions that if drugs were legal that violence would go down.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23384-2004Jun7.html

Assuming that were drugs legalized that there&#039;d be no violence isn&#039;t a logical step you can make. The violence associated just shifts to a different demographic.

Not to mention that were drugs legalized the petty dealer would be out of a job and with no skill set what&#039;s he or she going to turn to? If drugs were legalized it would be that trained pharmacist, or someone in a similar position, that would control their distribution, guided by a full set of reglations and taxations.

I&#039;m betting that what those petty dealers turn to at that point isn&#039;t college though. They deal drugs because it&#039;s easy to make money at it, not because they fervently believe in the right of all people to get as high as they want.  It&#039;s a crime of opportunity. Remove that opportunity and they will still commit crimes, just different ones, like robbing your ass when you walk out of CVS with a bag of dope.

Then selling it to someone who can&#039;t afford CVS&#039; pot prices.

Also do all CP bloggers routinely insult their readership?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike you should do some research into the very real turf wars over alcohol and tobacco and the very illegal activities that go into controlling it before making assumptions that if drugs were legal that violence would go down.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23384-2004Jun7.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23384-2004Jun7.html</a></p>
<p>Assuming that were drugs legalized that there'd be no violence isn't a logical step you can make. The violence associated just shifts to a different demographic.</p>
<p>Not to mention that were drugs legalized the petty dealer would be out of a job and with no skill set what's he or she going to turn to? If drugs were legalized it would be that trained pharmacist, or someone in a similar position, that would control their distribution, guided by a full set of reglations and taxations.</p>
<p>I'm betting that what those petty dealers turn to at that point isn't college though. They deal drugs because it's easy to make money at it, not because they fervently believe in the right of all people to get as high as they want.  It's a crime of opportunity. Remove that opportunity and they will still commit crimes, just different ones, like robbing your ass when you walk out of CVS with a bag of dope.</p>
<p>Then selling it to someone who can't afford CVS' pot prices.</p>
<p>Also do all CP bloggers routinely insult their readership?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Riggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Riggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For starters, I didn&#039;t defend executions or violence, but I did make the mistake of assuming that City Desk readers recognized that the violence associated with the drug trade is the legacy of the drug war. 

It&#039;s one thing to criticize the use or sale of drugs (non-prescription drugs, that is, because I&#039;d have a hard time believing that every commenter above has abstained from any sort of prescription drug use), but it&#039;s quite another to deny that the violence that occurs over drugs has its roots in regulation.

When is the last time any newspaper in the U.S. topped its front page (or its metro section) with a story about gangs waging turf wars over alcohol? My guess would be 1933, the same year Congress decided to passed the 21st Amendment repealing the prohibition of alcohol.

Is race a pertinent issue when discussing drugs? Of course. Does the fact that I believe blacks suffer more than whites in the war in drugs mean that I&#039;m morally obligated to buy my drugs from blacks? No, especially since I built my contacts at a predominantly white school and while working in a predominantly white industry. Am I morally obligated to castigate drug dealers? No, I said what I said about the Brightwood Park dealers because national evidence shows that a heavier police presence in a neighborhood with a prevalence of drug use is followed by an increase in drug-related violence. And this is true in most black market industries. (Food for thought: Would organ stealing be such a popular trope if it were legal to sell one&#039;s organs?)

Also, I don&#039;t remember positing that blacks are genetically predisposed to selling drugs. That Michael jumped to that conclusion from mine (cops are making the violence worse) is another reminder that I shouldn&#039;t have assumed that City Desk readers know anymore than what they were fed during their time in the D.A.R.E. program. I do, however, believe that certain identity groups in certain geographies are culturally pre-exposed to involvement in the drug trade.

And while it pains me to admit that I&#039;d be sad if all the dealers I know went out and got &quot;real jobs,&quot; it boosts my spirits to think that if the drug war ended tomorrow, the work of drug dealers would be no less legal, socially acceptable, or lucrative than the work of pharmacists.

And lastly, yes, I have a dog in this fight. But I don&#039;t think that my drug use negates the legitimacy of my argument. Unless Andrew wants to posit that ethnic and religious minorities, women, transgendered men and women, and others are banned from railing against discrimination simply because it affects them more than it does middle class white males.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For starters, I didn't defend executions or violence, but I did make the mistake of assuming that City Desk readers recognized that the violence associated with the drug trade is the legacy of the drug war. </p>
<p>It's one thing to criticize the use or sale of drugs (non-prescription drugs, that is, because I'd have a hard time believing that every commenter above has abstained from any sort of prescription drug use), but it's quite another to deny that the violence that occurs over drugs has its roots in regulation.</p>
<p>When is the last time any newspaper in the U.S. topped its front page (or its metro section) with a story about gangs waging turf wars over alcohol? My guess would be 1933, the same year Congress decided to passed the 21st Amendment repealing the prohibition of alcohol.</p>
<p>Is race a pertinent issue when discussing drugs? Of course. Does the fact that I believe blacks suffer more than whites in the war in drugs mean that I'm morally obligated to buy my drugs from blacks? No, especially since I built my contacts at a predominantly white school and while working in a predominantly white industry. Am I morally obligated to castigate drug dealers? No, I said what I said about the Brightwood Park dealers because national evidence shows that a heavier police presence in a neighborhood with a prevalence of drug use is followed by an increase in drug-related violence. And this is true in most black market industries. (Food for thought: Would organ stealing be such a popular trope if it were legal to sell one's organs?)</p>
<p>Also, I don't remember positing that blacks are genetically predisposed to selling drugs. That Michael jumped to that conclusion from mine (cops are making the violence worse) is another reminder that I shouldn't have assumed that City Desk readers know anymore than what they were fed during their time in the D.A.R.E. program. I do, however, believe that certain identity groups in certain geographies are culturally pre-exposed to involvement in the drug trade.</p>
<p>And while it pains me to admit that I'd be sad if all the dealers I know went out and got "real jobs," it boosts my spirits to think that if the drug war ended tomorrow, the work of drug dealers would be no less legal, socially acceptable, or lucrative than the work of pharmacists.</p>
<p>And lastly, yes, I have a dog in this fight. But I don't think that my drug use negates the legitimacy of my argument. Unless Andrew wants to posit that ethnic and religious minorities, women, transgendered men and women, and others are banned from railing against discrimination simply because it affects them more than it does middle class white males.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mike doesn&#039;t feel safe around cops because he&#039;s a drug user, then that should have been mentioned in the post in the first place - just like if he was writing about, for example, how gun control was bad and he was a hunter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mike doesn't feel safe around cops because he's a drug user, then that should have been mentioned in the post in the first place - just like if he was writing about, for example, how gun control was bad and he was a hunter.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, Ernest is a big fan of the modifiers. I counted at least a dozen in his post. Can anyone else find more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, Ernest is a big fan of the modifiers. I counted at least a dozen in his post. Can anyone else find more?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you are still failing reading comprehension.</description>
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