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	<title>Comments on: Wanna Load Your D.C. Handgun? Better Be a &#8220;Reasonably Perceived Threat of Immediate Harm&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Orville Fabulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orville Fabulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, why don't you go down to the Holocaust Museum and explain your clever little Godwin's Law to them?

One response on the part of decent and civilized people to the late unpleasantness in Germany has been to declare "Never Again." That means that whenever we see aspects of Nazism cropping up (anywhere, and not just in Germany) we speak up. If you see something, say something.

(Godwin's Law is analagous to saying that if you go to the doctor and he finds an aggressive melanoma on you, he should say nothing about it because mentioning the c-word is considered unnecessarily inflammatory.)

The fact is that the Nazis imposed gun control on the German people, who went along like good little followers and did not have a Second Amendment to protect them. The registration and eventual confiscation of guns in private hands eventually made the German government's job a lot easier. 

Gun registration and confiscation also helped governments massacre their own people in Armenia, Russia, Cambodia, etc. 

When Fenty et al start taking a page out of the totalitarian butchers' book I expect people to stand up and call them on it. It shows what contempt D.C.'s leaders have for the Constitution and the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, why don&#8217;t you go down to the Holocaust Museum and explain your clever little Godwin&#8217;s Law to them?</p>
<p>One response on the part of decent and civilized people to the late unpleasantness in Germany has been to declare &#8220;Never Again.&#8221; That means that whenever we see aspects of Nazism cropping up (anywhere, and not just in Germany) we speak up. If you see something, say something.</p>
<p>(Godwin&#8217;s Law is analagous to saying that if you go to the doctor and he finds an aggressive melanoma on you, he should say nothing about it because mentioning the c-word is considered unnecessarily inflammatory.)</p>
<p>The fact is that the Nazis imposed gun control on the German people, who went along like good little followers and did not have a Second Amendment to protect them. The registration and eventual confiscation of guns in private hands eventually made the German government&#8217;s job a lot easier. </p>
<p>Gun registration and confiscation also helped governments massacre their own people in Armenia, Russia, Cambodia, etc. </p>
<p>When Fenty et al start taking a page out of the totalitarian butchers&#8217; book I expect people to stand up and call them on it. It shows what contempt D.C.&#8217;s leaders have for the Constitution and the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike DeBonis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike DeBonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law" rel="nofollow"&gt;Godwin's Law&lt;/a&gt;: invoked</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law" rel="nofollow">Godwin&#8217;s Law</a>: invoked</p>
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		<title>By: Santee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good thing about registration and licensing:


"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" - Adolph Hitler, 15 April 1935 (In an address to the Reichstag)


They will know who has weapons to oppose them when liberty is at stake.


"Any government that would attempt to disarm its people is despotic; and any people that would submit to it deserve to be slaves!" - Stephen F. Austin, 1835


The fact is, the police cannot be everywhere at once. If you choose not to defend yourself or your family, that is your absurd decision and I wish you luck. However, for those of us who choose to exercise our Second Amendment right&#8230;Remember the old adage: "It is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six!"


"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." &#8212; Edward R. Murrow


"If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government &#8212; and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." &#8212; EDWARD ABBEY 


"Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too damn old to take an ass kickin." - Bill Fleming


Contrary to what you politicos tell you, this is your country, and it is ruled by law, and that law is found in the Constitution of the United States.  Any law or rule that violates the Constitution is invalid.  Yes, you may be arrested for violating their petty rules but the Constitution is still the law of the land, well, at least for now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good thing about registration and licensing:</p>
<p>&#8220;This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!&#8221; - Adolph Hitler, 15 April 1935 (In an address to the Reichstag)</p>
<p>They will know who has weapons to oppose them when liberty is at stake.</p>
<p>&#8220;Any government that would attempt to disarm its people is despotic; and any people that would submit to it deserve to be slaves!&#8221; - Stephen F. Austin, 1835</p>
<p>The fact is, the police cannot be everywhere at once. If you choose not to defend yourself or your family, that is your absurd decision and I wish you luck. However, for those of us who choose to exercise our Second Amendment right&#8230;Remember the old adage: &#8220;It is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.&#8221; &#8212; Edward R. Murrow</p>
<p>&#8220;If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government &#8212; and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws.&#8221; &#8212; EDWARD ABBEY </p>
<p>&#8220;Personally, I carry a gun because I&#8217;m too young to die and too damn old to take an ass kickin.&#8221; - Bill Fleming</p>
<p>Contrary to what you politicos tell you, this is your country, and it is ruled by law, and that law is found in the Constitution of the United States.  Any law or rule that violates the Constitution is invalid.  Yes, you may be arrested for violating their petty rules but the Constitution is still the law of the land, well, at least for now!</p>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Step one would be to remove Fenty's tax supplied bodyguards.  

Unconstitutionally, banning through procedure one whole class of firearms...semi autos. You know, like the Berrettas issued to the troops...a militia weapon. 

What section of the constitution says it's ok to "license" a right?  Show me because I want to check all the speech licenses at the NY Times. 

Just living in DC is a reasonable expectation of danger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Step one would be to remove Fenty&#8217;s tax supplied bodyguards.  </p>
<p>Unconstitutionally, banning through procedure one whole class of firearms&#8230;semi autos. You know, like the Berrettas issued to the troops&#8230;a militia weapon. </p>
<p>What section of the constitution says it&#8217;s ok to &#8220;license&#8221; a right?  Show me because I want to check all the speech licenses at the NY Times. </p>
<p>Just living in DC is a reasonable expectation of danger.</p>
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		<title>By: arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insufferable fatuous boob Fenty.  

As I expected, Fenty would come up with ludicrous and onerus requirements to restrict the exercising of your rights.  

I bet Fenty is against proving your citizenship with photo id at the polls.  

If those same requirements, testing, fingerprinting, registration and permitting were proposed to apply for voter registration, do you think that would be ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insufferable fatuous boob Fenty.  </p>
<p>As I expected, Fenty would come up with ludicrous and onerus requirements to restrict the exercising of your rights.  </p>
<p>I bet Fenty is against proving your citizenship with photo id at the polls.  </p>
<p>If those same requirements, testing, fingerprinting, registration and permitting were proposed to apply for voter registration, do you think that would be ok?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Obvious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a shame what legal hurdles the law-abiding citizens of D.C. are expected to jump through. They should march in the streets to demand their rights. The out of control Mayor and Police Chief as well as the council should be run out of office. I'm glad I don't live there. It is a shame that I cannot even visit this once great city because I refuse to give up my rights as a law-abiding citizen in order to comply with their holier than thou views on the citizens of this country. They have forgotten the meaning of public servant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a shame what legal hurdles the law-abiding citizens of D.C. are expected to jump through. They should march in the streets to demand their rights. The out of control Mayor and Police Chief as well as the council should be run out of office. I&#8217;m glad I don&#8217;t live there. It is a shame that I cannot even visit this once great city because I refuse to give up my rights as a law-abiding citizen in order to comply with their holier than thou views on the citizens of this country. They have forgotten the meaning of public servant.</p>
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		<title>By: CCW4ME2</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCW4ME2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Fenty,Mol&#xF4;n Lab&#xE9;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Fenty,Mol&#xF4;n Lab&#xE9;!</p>
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		<title>By: cast iron</title>
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		<dc:creator>cast iron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y'all don't really need those guns, just a frying pan and a grandmother:
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/01/AR2007020101975_pf.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;all don&#8217;t really need those guns, just a frying pan and a grandmother:<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/01/AR2007020101975_pf.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/01/AR2007020101975_pf.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: sara.h</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara.h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wasn't aware that one could be a socialist, communist, Nazi and zionist all at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wasn&#8217;t aware that one could be a socialist, communist, Nazi and zionist all at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Skipper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a lawyer, I applaud this proposed city law. It will keep my fellow lawyers employed for several years as they file multiple lawsuits and appeals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a lawyer, I applaud this proposed city law. It will keep my fellow lawyers employed for several years as they file multiple lawsuits and appeals.</p>
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		<title>By: PBR</title>
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		<dc:creator>PBR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fenty, like most non-gun owners, has no idea what is reasonable for self defense. As others have mentioned, loading a self defense gun only when there is a &#8220;reasonably perceived threat of immediate harm.&#8221;, is ridiculous to the point of being stupid. 

By the way Mike, it&#8217;s still foot dragging if you come up with idiotic legislation like this even if you do it quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fenty, like most non-gun owners, has no idea what is reasonable for self defense. As others have mentioned, loading a self defense gun only when there is a &#8220;reasonably perceived threat of immediate harm.&#8221;, is ridiculous to the point of being stupid. </p>
<p>By the way Mike, it&#8217;s still foot dragging if you come up with idiotic legislation like this even if you do it quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ladyshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether Mayor Fenty and the other clowns at Washington, DC City Hall like it, an unloaded defensive firearm is useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether Mayor Fenty and the other clowns at Washington, DC City Hall like it, an unloaded defensive firearm is useless.</p>
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		<title>By: snowman</title>
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		<dc:creator>snowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God for free speech or are you guys going to try to squash that one also it seems we have communist and socialist parties parked in washington D.C. now I suppose you guys think you are above the Supreame Court and will just re word and reorganize your current policy and move some furniture around it seems that your zionist and socialist mayor leader and his local gestopo nazi local police thugs are going to keep the freedom of your citizens oppressed for more years to come thank God that there are 180 million gun owners natoin wide as if this threat persists maybe 179 999 999 will pick up those arms and take this country back and that is your true fear is it not. It is a sad day to look upon a local goverment that thinks that it can rule the populious from your city desk and with your local nazi police department whats next Jews and Christians any one with an opinion or in the wrong place at the wrong time if I recall History we have fought many wars over seas and we are fighting one now on two fronts aginst people just like you I would not be surprised if you release all of those in gutonimo bay and give them citizen ship and give the Taliban and those folks work Visas boy I could rant and rave at you all day But you are obviously to STUPID TO GET THE POINT YOU COMMUNIST SOCIALIST BASTARDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God for free speech or are you guys going to try to squash that one also it seems we have communist and socialist parties parked in washington D.C. now I suppose you guys think you are above the Supreame Court and will just re word and reorganize your current policy and move some furniture around it seems that your zionist and socialist mayor leader and his local gestopo nazi local police thugs are going to keep the freedom of your citizens oppressed for more years to come thank God that there are 180 million gun owners natoin wide as if this threat persists maybe 179 999 999 will pick up those arms and take this country back and that is your true fear is it not. It is a sad day to look upon a local goverment that thinks that it can rule the populious from your city desk and with your local nazi police department whats next Jews and Christians any one with an opinion or in the wrong place at the wrong time if I recall History we have fought many wars over seas and we are fighting one now on two fronts aginst people just like you I would not be surprised if you release all of those in gutonimo bay and give them citizen ship and give the Taliban and those folks work Visas boy I could rant and rave at you all day But you are obviously to STUPID TO GET THE POINT YOU COMMUNIST SOCIALIST BASTARDS.</p>
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		<title>By: Orville Fabulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orville Fabulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have to keep your handgun unloaded, you might as well just throw it at the criminal who invades your home.

You lost, D.C. Get over it and respect the Supreme Court's decision and the people's Constitutional rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have to keep your handgun unloaded, you might as well just throw it at the criminal who invades your home.</p>
<p>You lost, D.C. Get over it and respect the Supreme Court&#8217;s decision and the people&#8217;s Constitutional rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad3000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fenty &#38; co. are really push it.

The Heller decision was pro self-defense. 

Having your handgun locked up unloaded (deja'vu again!) and then fumbling for ammo in the dark during in the stressful time of an attack is absolutely ludicous. Remember they are still only "allowing" revolvers. 

WTF, why bother with a handgun in the home - you are better off with a Rem 870 18" and OO Buck.

I really hope Fenty gets kicked out of office next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fenty &amp; co. are really push it.</p>
<p>The Heller decision was pro self-defense. </p>
<p>Having your handgun locked up unloaded (deja&#8217;vu again!) and then fumbling for ammo in the dark during in the stressful time of an attack is absolutely ludicous. Remember they are still only &#8220;allowing&#8221; revolvers. </p>
<p>WTF, why bother with a handgun in the home - you are better off with a Rem 870 18&#8243; and OO Buck.</p>
<p>I really hope Fenty gets kicked out of office next time.</p>
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