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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/07/11/cyclists-how-to-be-a-sensible-scofflaw/comment-page-1/#comment-196663</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what does the official accident report say(...)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what does the official accident report say(&#8230;)?</p>
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		<title>By: ibc</title>
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		<dc:creator>ibc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don&#8217;t understand why ALL the discussion around this terrible crash has been focused around what cyclists do or don&#8217;t do correctly.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, I&#039;ll field this one:  it&#039;s because *most* people are drivers, far fewer are cyclists, and empathy is even rarer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don&#8217;t understand why ALL the discussion around this terrible crash has been focused around what cyclists do or don&#8217;t do correctly.</i></p>
<p>Sure, I&#8217;ll field this one:  it&#8217;s because *most* people are drivers, far fewer are cyclists, and empathy is even rarer.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why ALL the discussion around this terrible crash has been focused around what cyclists do or don&#039;t do correctly. Why is there not more outcry as to why &quot;profesional&quot; drivers of large trucks and busses are not held more accountable for their actions, and additional equipment and roadway usage restrictions put in place?

Also, your approach is nothing like that of Effective Cycling author John Forester. Forester&#039;s main premise is that cyclists fair best when acted and are treated as users of vehicles. EC offers a good bit of information that is useful to fit cyclists able to move quickly and assertively on roadways without special accommodations to cyclists. Since EC, Forester has built a career arguing that all cyclists who have not undergone rigorous training should not be on the road, bike lanes and other accommodations to promote bicycle usage and safety instead relegate the cyclist as inferior road users and that cycling and cycling promotion should not cause delay to motor vehicles. This while every other cyclist has worked for or wanted decreased car use to improve quality of life, facilities that provide space for cyclists in the roadway or seperated from traffic and the ability for any and all users (8 to 80) to be able to safely cycle where they want to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why ALL the discussion around this terrible crash has been focused around what cyclists do or don&#8217;t do correctly. Why is there not more outcry as to why &#8220;profesional&#8221; drivers of large trucks and busses are not held more accountable for their actions, and additional equipment and roadway usage restrictions put in place?</p>
<p>Also, your approach is nothing like that of Effective Cycling author John Forester. Forester&#8217;s main premise is that cyclists fair best when acted and are treated as users of vehicles. EC offers a good bit of information that is useful to fit cyclists able to move quickly and assertively on roadways without special accommodations to cyclists. Since EC, Forester has built a career arguing that all cyclists who have not undergone rigorous training should not be on the road, bike lanes and other accommodations to promote bicycle usage and safety instead relegate the cyclist as inferior road users and that cycling and cycling promotion should not cause delay to motor vehicles. This while every other cyclist has worked for or wanted decreased car use to improve quality of life, facilities that provide space for cyclists in the roadway or seperated from traffic and the ability for any and all users (8 to 80) to be able to safely cycle where they want to go.</p>
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		<title>By: IMGoph</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/07/11/cyclists-how-to-be-a-sensible-scofflaw/comment-page-1/#comment-195272</link>
		<dc:creator>IMGoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, mike, this is a great post.  i&#039;m going to refer people back to it whenever there is an argument/discussion of what bikers should be doing in town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, mike, this is a great post.  i&#8217;m going to refer people back to it whenever there is an argument/discussion of what bikers should be doing in town.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. T in DC</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/07/11/cyclists-how-to-be-a-sensible-scofflaw/comment-page-1/#comment-195055</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. T in DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post - I agree 100% and that&#039;s how I&#039;ve ridden in general. Those who demand cyclists stop at all stop signs and lights, even if the way is totally clear, must be operating under some kind of alternative physics than the one with laws such as conservation of momentum, and going uphill is a struggle against gravity with only 1/4 horsepower, at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post &#8211; I agree 100% and that&#8217;s how I&#8217;ve ridden in general. Those who demand cyclists stop at all stop signs and lights, even if the way is totally clear, must be operating under some kind of alternative physics than the one with laws such as conservation of momentum, and going uphill is a struggle against gravity with only 1/4 horsepower, at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you need a whole manifesto to explain how your breaking of the rules is actually okay, then your rationale is b.s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you need a whole manifesto to explain how your breaking of the rules is actually okay, then your rationale is b.s.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/07/11/cyclists-how-to-be-a-sensible-scofflaw/comment-page-1/#comment-194163</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alice was the safest biker I knew and she probably only violated traffic rules on rare occasions. She wasn&#039;t like the rest of us, who would agree with the above post because that&#039;s how we (used to) bike. Now we&#039;ll think of Alice as we peddle around town. 

Alice was always cautious, always tried to find the bike lanes and always wore a helmet. The fact that she was killed doing something that she took more seriously than the rest of her friends and other bikers makes her death even more tragic and harder to understand. 

Please be careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alice was the safest biker I knew and she probably only violated traffic rules on rare occasions. She wasn&#8217;t like the rest of us, who would agree with the above post because that&#8217;s how we (used to) bike. Now we&#8217;ll think of Alice as we peddle around town. </p>
<p>Alice was always cautious, always tried to find the bike lanes and always wore a helmet. The fact that she was killed doing something that she took more seriously than the rest of her friends and other bikers makes her death even more tragic and harder to understand. </p>
<p>Please be careful.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sensible strategies or not, this post side steps (and diminishes) the fact that Alice had the right of way when she was killed.  She was obeying the law.  The truck, innocently, accidentally, carelessly, wasn&#039;t.  I can&#039;t help but think you could have found a more appropriate, if less dramatic/convenient soapbox, Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sensible strategies or not, this post side steps (and diminishes) the fact that Alice had the right of way when she was killed.  She was obeying the law.  The truck, innocently, accidentally, carelessly, wasn&#8217;t.  I can&#8217;t help but think you could have found a more appropriate, if less dramatic/convenient soapbox, Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bikes... Oh how I used to fly around. It had to cease because of a deflated tire though. A scooter or a moped is another option, if you got one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bikes&#8230; Oh how I used to fly around. It had to cease because of a deflated tire though. A scooter or a moped is another option, if you got one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Licht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Licht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rode a 10-speed through the streets of NYC back in the last century, before bike lanes, and attempted to follow traffic laws. Taxi drivers told me to get on the sidewalk, and cops waved me through red lights. 

Cops have waved me through red lights in Buffalo NY and even Austin TX (where there are bike lanes), but not in DC, where officers look right through me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rode a 10-speed through the streets of NYC back in the last century, before bike lanes, and attempted to follow traffic laws. Taxi drivers told me to get on the sidewalk, and cops waved me through red lights. </p>
<p>Cops have waved me through red lights in Buffalo NY and even Austin TX (where there are bike lanes), but not in DC, where officers look right through me.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good posts.  I think most drivers really just want me out of the way, which is often accomplished by crossing against the light when no cars are coming, etc. 

Two other tips. Don&#039;t rush. Don&#039;t brood - over work,romance, politics, or any other issue; you really need to be into the moment.  

And, of course, if you forego a helmet for headphones, you really are just an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good posts.  I think most drivers really just want me out of the way, which is often accomplished by crossing against the light when no cars are coming, etc. </p>
<p>Two other tips. Don&#8217;t rush. Don&#8217;t brood &#8211; over work,romance, politics, or any other issue; you really need to be into the moment.  </p>
<p>And, of course, if you forego a helmet for headphones, you really are just an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike DeBonis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike DeBonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After doing a bit more reading, I came across what known as &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_Cycling&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Effective Cycling.&quot;&lt;/a&gt; From what little I&#039;ve read, I think that describes my approach pretty well. I will try to get my hands on the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After doing a bit more reading, I came across what known as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_Cycling" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Effective Cycling.&#8221;</a> From what little I&#8217;ve read, I think that describes my approach pretty well. I will try to get my hands on the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Delaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong way on one-way streets? You crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong way on one-way streets? You crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff gerhard</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff gerhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  Instead of fighting to have cyclists follow the law, they should be fighting for everyone on the street just to be considerate.  In fact, I think sometimes it is to everybody&#039;s advantage when cyclists (sensibly) break the traffic laws. A lot of times, running through stop signs and red lights is partly just an effort to keep out of congested traffic. 

In particular, cautious red-light running makes a lot of sense when there is a long line of traffic waiting at a red light, and no traffic going through the intersection.  You can run the red light (watching out for right-on-red cars) and often get half a block or more lead on the cars, which is much better than trying to share the lanes while cars are accelerating faster than you can, a few inches to your left.

There are also a lot of circumstances where I break the no-riding-on-the-sidewalk downtown rule, especially when the streets are all congested and have narrow lanes, but there aren&#039;t too many pedestrians.  Pedestrians wander on the streets; I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a problem when bikes wander onto the sidewalks if they do it respectfully.  In fact I think there ought to be a little more bike-car solidarity versus annoying pedestrians.

And I agree about drivers waving you on (not only at 4-way stop signs).  It always makes things worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  Instead of fighting to have cyclists follow the law, they should be fighting for everyone on the street just to be considerate.  In fact, I think sometimes it is to everybody&#8217;s advantage when cyclists (sensibly) break the traffic laws. A lot of times, running through stop signs and red lights is partly just an effort to keep out of congested traffic. </p>
<p>In particular, cautious red-light running makes a lot of sense when there is a long line of traffic waiting at a red light, and no traffic going through the intersection.  You can run the red light (watching out for right-on-red cars) and often get half a block or more lead on the cars, which is much better than trying to share the lanes while cars are accelerating faster than you can, a few inches to your left.</p>
<p>There are also a lot of circumstances where I break the no-riding-on-the-sidewalk downtown rule, especially when the streets are all congested and have narrow lanes, but there aren&#8217;t too many pedestrians.  Pedestrians wander on the streets; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a problem when bikes wander onto the sidewalks if they do it respectfully.  In fact I think there ought to be a little more bike-car solidarity versus annoying pedestrians.</p>
<p>And I agree about drivers waving you on (not only at 4-way stop signs).  It always makes things worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Willem van der Vossen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Willem van der Vossen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The strategy you describe is right: make no assumptions, be watchful, ride defensively. This is actually safer than relying on the rules. Even ik bikers follow the rules, cars will assume they don&#039;t, or not even notice them. And even if the car is in the wrong, you could be in the hospital nevertheless, or worse. Very important also: make sure your brakes are in prime condition. Always be ready to stop on a dime.

When on the sidewalk, pedestrians are another issue: about half of them do not respond to a signal, or unexpectedly get in your way. One half of that half is listening to their MP3 so can&#039;t hear you coming, signal or no signal. The rule about the brakes applies. Don&#039;t zoom past them, either. Take it slow.  

When biking it is not about who is in the right, but how to avoid scrapes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strategy you describe is right: make no assumptions, be watchful, ride defensively. This is actually safer than relying on the rules. Even ik bikers follow the rules, cars will assume they don&#8217;t, or not even notice them. And even if the car is in the wrong, you could be in the hospital nevertheless, or worse. Very important also: make sure your brakes are in prime condition. Always be ready to stop on a dime.</p>
<p>When on the sidewalk, pedestrians are another issue: about half of them do not respond to a signal, or unexpectedly get in your way. One half of that half is listening to their MP3 so can&#8217;t hear you coming, signal or no signal. The rule about the brakes applies. Don&#8217;t zoom past them, either. Take it slow.  </p>
<p>When biking it is not about who is in the right, but how to avoid scrapes.</p>
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