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	<title>Comments on: National Cathedral&#8217;s Greenhouse Closing Shop</title>
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		<title>By: GreenhouseWorker</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/05/21/national-cathedrals-greenhouse-closing-shop/#comment-170129</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenhouseWorker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at the greenhouse many years ago. Given the entrenched management of the Cathedral, I doubt much has changed.

At the time I worked there, the greenhouse made a small profit, which was all donated to Cathedral programs at the end of each fiscal year. All salaries, improvements, materials, and plants were paid for out of gross sales. The Greenhouse also participated in outreach activities, which brought visibility to the Cathedral.

The Cathedral has several retail operations, of which the Greenhouse is one. At the time I was there, two were managed by the Cathedral's so-called Marketing Director, who was basically allowed to run rampant as long as she made money for the Cathedral. I respect the ethics and mission of the Cathedral. I'll only say that the person in charge of the retail operations did not conduct herself in a way that reflected those principles. It was all about money. Any life or art or "magic" within the glass walls was a result of the people working there, who were not well paid, putting their hearts and souls into their work.

Even then, the closure of the Greenhouse was a constant threat. Despite the pleas of Greenhouse workers, much needed repairs went undone, until glass started falling down from ceiling onto shoppers' heads. By the way, our clientele was from all over the city, and certainly not limited to "matrons" as another poster claims.

Closure of the Greenhouse has been on the agenda of Cathedral management for at least twenty years. The clock has finally ticked down. This is more about traffic control than anything else. The Greenhouse is in an awkward place, and it's in the way during large events and presents major issues for Beauvoir student pickup and dropoff. This is not about funneling funds to much-needed programs. It is all about land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at the greenhouse many years ago. Given the entrenched management of the Cathedral, I doubt much has changed.</p>
<p>At the time I worked there, the greenhouse made a small profit, which was all donated to Cathedral programs at the end of each fiscal year. All salaries, improvements, materials, and plants were paid for out of gross sales. The Greenhouse also participated in outreach activities, which brought visibility to the Cathedral.</p>
<p>The Cathedral has several retail operations, of which the Greenhouse is one. At the time I was there, two were managed by the Cathedral&#8217;s so-called Marketing Director, who was basically allowed to run rampant as long as she made money for the Cathedral. I respect the ethics and mission of the Cathedral. I&#8217;ll only say that the person in charge of the retail operations did not conduct herself in a way that reflected those principles. It was all about money. Any life or art or &#8220;magic&#8221; within the glass walls was a result of the people working there, who were not well paid, putting their hearts and souls into their work.</p>
<p>Even then, the closure of the Greenhouse was a constant threat. Despite the pleas of Greenhouse workers, much needed repairs went undone, until glass started falling down from ceiling onto shoppers&#8217; heads. By the way, our clientele was from all over the city, and certainly not limited to &#8220;matrons&#8221; as another poster claims.</p>
<p>Closure of the Greenhouse has been on the agenda of Cathedral management for at least twenty years. The clock has finally ticked down. This is more about traffic control than anything else. The Greenhouse is in an awkward place, and it&#8217;s in the way during large events and presents major issues for Beauvoir student pickup and dropoff. This is not about funneling funds to much-needed programs. It is all about land.</p>
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		<title>By: WashingtonGardener</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/05/21/national-cathedrals-greenhouse-closing-shop/#comment-167877</link>
		<dc:creator>WashingtonGardener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that the Cathedral Greenhouse is operating at a small profit - that it right - NOT losing money. Maybe not making a ton - but it is in the black so why is it being closed? One wonders what the REAL agenda is in this case? A land sale?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the Cathedral Greenhouse is operating at a small profit - that it right - NOT losing money. Maybe not making a ton - but it is in the black so why is it being closed? One wonders what the REAL agenda is in this case? A land sale?</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiilmer, I'd like for you to consider a few things regarding your comment above (6/1/08). First, do you think that one of the nation's greatest national landmarks would hire someone that would use "STFU" in a public posting? Really? If so, I think that your idea of how professionals act when running a national organization is a little skewed. Second, you are obviously angry, but that doesn't yield a solution. I have taken my 5th graders from Congress Heights to the Cathedral for the free and fantastic programing. Again, it is not disappearing. 

While the greenhouse is pretty, please think about the bigger picture. What would you do in a similar situation? Do you currently work for a non-profit? Have you done analysis on how to restructure for the benefit of the organization and larger community?  From her bio, the Associate Dean has. To refresh your memory, she helped the following organizations succeed: Arena Stage, Kennedy School of Government&#8212;Center for Public Leadership, the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum, National Children&#8217;s Museum, Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, Episcopal Charities and Community Services, Federation of State Humanities Councils, and numerous other organizations. 

Kiilmer, if you are truly speaking from a place of expertise, please post a professional and well thought out post that can elucidate your thoughts for a different course of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiilmer, I&#8217;d like for you to consider a few things regarding your comment above (6/1/08). First, do you think that one of the nation&#8217;s greatest national landmarks would hire someone that would use &#8220;STFU&#8221; in a public posting? Really? If so, I think that your idea of how professionals act when running a national organization is a little skewed. Second, you are obviously angry, but that doesn&#8217;t yield a solution. I have taken my 5th graders from Congress Heights to the Cathedral for the free and fantastic programing. Again, it is not disappearing. </p>
<p>While the greenhouse is pretty, please think about the bigger picture. What would you do in a similar situation? Do you currently work for a non-profit? Have you done analysis on how to restructure for the benefit of the organization and larger community?  From her bio, the Associate Dean has. To refresh your memory, she helped the following organizations succeed: Arena Stage, Kennedy School of Government&#8212;Center for Public Leadership, the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum, National Children&#8217;s Museum, Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, Episcopal Charities and Community Services, Federation of State Humanities Councils, and numerous other organizations. </p>
<p>Kiilmer, if you are truly speaking from a place of expertise, please post a professional and well thought out post that can elucidate your thoughts for a different course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/05/21/national-cathedrals-greenhouse-closing-shop/#comment-165024</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a teacher in a low-income school in D.C., I would like to clarify that the programs that affect schools receiving Title 1 funding have actually not been cut. This was a comment that was made on WashingtonPost.com by someone annoyed generally about the Cathedral budget cuts. The Cathedral is in a state of flux, similar to the DC School Systems. In order to remain outcomes oriented, the Cathedral needed to rework what was going to have the greatest positive impact on the greatest number of people. Communities are angry about neighborhood schools being closed or consolidated, but this does not mean that the right-sizing Michelle Rhee is doing is wrong. In fact it makes sure that more DC Schools receive higher quality of resources. This is a similar mindset the Cathedral is operating under. I realize this is not directly related to the greenhouse, but it is vital to take into consideration the entire picture. When the entire picture in not considered, people look ignorant. See the forest, not just this one tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a teacher in a low-income school in D.C., I would like to clarify that the programs that affect schools receiving Title 1 funding have actually not been cut. This was a comment that was made on WashingtonPost.com by someone annoyed generally about the Cathedral budget cuts. The Cathedral is in a state of flux, similar to the DC School Systems. In order to remain outcomes oriented, the Cathedral needed to rework what was going to have the greatest positive impact on the greatest number of people. Communities are angry about neighborhood schools being closed or consolidated, but this does not mean that the right-sizing Michelle Rhee is doing is wrong. In fact it makes sure that more DC Schools receive higher quality of resources. This is a similar mindset the Cathedral is operating under. I realize this is not directly related to the greenhouse, but it is vital to take into consideration the entire picture. When the entire picture in not considered, people look ignorant. See the forest, not just this one tree.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiilmer Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/05/21/national-cathedrals-greenhouse-closing-shop/#comment-162340</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiilmer Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Liz works for the Cathedral prsss office.</description>
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		<title>By: Kiilmer Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/05/21/national-cathedrals-greenhouse-closing-shop/#comment-162339</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiilmer Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and by the way, Rusty, she's cut out
those educational programs for local kids you were concerned about. No more flowers,
no more kids, It's a corporate realignment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and by the way, Rusty, she&#8217;s cut out<br />
those educational programs for local kids you were concerned about. No more flowers,<br />
no more kids, It&#8217;s a corporate realignment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiilmer Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/05/21/national-cathedrals-greenhouse-closing-shop/#comment-162336</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiilmer Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude is really the associate dean of the cathedral. The Google search can tell you a lot about her, her concerns, her character. You really think shes a shit about floers or employees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude is really the associate dean of the cathedral. The Google search can tell you a lot about her, her concerns, her character. You really think shes a shit about floers or employees?</p>
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		<title>By: maps</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/05/21/national-cathedrals-greenhouse-closing-shop/#comment-161752</link>
		<dc:creator>maps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than shuttering the Greenhouse perhaps it should  reduce costs, scope of merchandise, and operations.    Grow plants year round but hold Christmas Plant sales including special orders ,  annuals and perrenials in seasons.  There is an available free source of workers - students on The Close.  

And their parents. 

Sad to lose a bit of magic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than shuttering the Greenhouse perhaps it should  reduce costs, scope of merchandise, and operations.    Grow plants year round but hold Christmas Plant sales including special orders ,  annuals and perrenials in seasons.  There is an available free source of workers - students on The Close.  </p>
<p>And their parents. </p>
<p>Sad to lose a bit of magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/05/21/national-cathedrals-greenhouse-closing-shop/#comment-161487</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 09:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cathedral&#8217;s doing the right thing&#8211;using its contributions to address big issues in society and reach millions not just a few hundred local gardners. Changing and even stopping some programs is good ministry as well as good management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cathedral&#8217;s doing the right thing&#8211;using its contributions to address big issues in society and reach millions not just a few hundred local gardners. Changing and even stopping some programs is good ministry as well as good management.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/05/21/national-cathedrals-greenhouse-closing-shop/#comment-161050</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William: FYI- The Cathedral is not funded in any way by the Episcopal Church or the Diocese of Washington, despite it being an Episcopal Cathedral. It is run by the Protestant Episcopal Cathedral Foundation, which runs the 3 schools (NCS, St. Albans, Beaovoir), which also is not funded in anyway by the Episcopal Church. This is all explained on their website. 

Why can't people just make the connection - the Greenhouse is a RETAIL store that is obviously bleeding money. As it is not an integral part of the service the Cathedral does, they cant afford to keep it open, as resources are tight. If it were bringing in revenue to support it, then this wouldnt happening. Its really pretty simple. Any business that does not make money, closes.

I think its hilarious that all the neighborhood folks want to raise money to keep it open...how about patronizing the greenhouse to begin with, so that they wouldn't have to close it???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William: FYI- The Cathedral is not funded in any way by the Episcopal Church or the Diocese of Washington, despite it being an Episcopal Cathedral. It is run by the Protestant Episcopal Cathedral Foundation, which runs the 3 schools (NCS, St. Albans, Beaovoir), which also is not funded in anyway by the Episcopal Church. This is all explained on their website. </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t people just make the connection - the Greenhouse is a RETAIL store that is obviously bleeding money. As it is not an integral part of the service the Cathedral does, they cant afford to keep it open, as resources are tight. If it were bringing in revenue to support it, then this wouldnt happening. Its really pretty simple. Any business that does not make money, closes.</p>
<p>I think its hilarious that all the neighborhood folks want to raise money to keep it open&#8230;how about patronizing the greenhouse to begin with, so that they wouldn&#8217;t have to close it???</p>
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		<title>By: WILLIAM TELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLIAM TELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprising this is happening as the Cathedral and the Diocese are short on cash.  The Episcopal Church is in total decline, and they are spending millions now on lawsuits against orthodox churches that want to break free of it.  So this greenhouse was an easy kill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprising this is happening as the Cathedral and the Diocese are short on cash.  The Episcopal Church is in total decline, and they are spending millions now on lawsuits against orthodox churches that want to break free of it.  So this greenhouse was an easy kill.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont live in the Cathedral neighborhood, but am quite familiar with the area. I find it amusing that the community is so concerned with losing a venue to buy plants (especially since there is another garden center a half mile or so up Wisconsin Ave), to the point where they want to raise funds to keep it open. If you have available time raise money to keep a plant retail store open (because that's what it is) and the money with which to contribute to, I suggest using that time and money for a charity, or perhaps another program of the Cathedral's that actually helps people in need.

I'm familiar with the Cathedral's greenhouse, and I agree - its a great place. But, in the long run, I would much rather the Cathedral cut the greenhouse than something else, like its education programs for DC youth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont live in the Cathedral neighborhood, but am quite familiar with the area. I find it amusing that the community is so concerned with losing a venue to buy plants (especially since there is another garden center a half mile or so up Wisconsin Ave), to the point where they want to raise funds to keep it open. If you have available time raise money to keep a plant retail store open (because that&#8217;s what it is) and the money with which to contribute to, I suggest using that time and money for a charity, or perhaps another program of the Cathedral&#8217;s that actually helps people in need.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m familiar with the Cathedral&#8217;s greenhouse, and I agree - its a great place. But, in the long run, I would much rather the Cathedral cut the greenhouse than something else, like its education programs for DC youth</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we please know how much money would need to be raised to keep the Cathedral Greenhouses open -- annually -- and ongoing?  I realize this could vary, depending on how many staff would be needed -- so I am asking "at current levels" of staffing. 
Is there anyplace where the current budget is available to the public -- expenses, including staff, -- and income (which may vary every year). If the public can rally to raise money, we need to know how much money needs to be raised to keep the greenhouse open, ongoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we please know how much money would need to be raised to keep the Cathedral Greenhouses open &#8212; annually &#8212; and ongoing?  I realize this could vary, depending on how many staff would be needed &#8212; so I am asking &#8220;at current levels&#8221; of staffing.<br />
Is there anyplace where the current budget is available to the public &#8212; expenses, including staff, &#8212; and income (which may vary every year). If the public can rally to raise money, we need to know how much money needs to be raised to keep the greenhouse open, ongoing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 13:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you're a jackASS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you&#8217;re a jackASS.</p>
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		<title>By: Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a suggestion, Siobhan.....quit whatever job you have now and run the greenhouse yourself.  Pay the salaries of the people there with the profits, or if there aren't any, from your own pocket.  If you're not putting your money where your mouth is, STFU.

Sure, it's nice to have a convenient plant store in the city, but isn't a church supposed to be helping the downtrodden and those with problems?  Plant therapy is all well and good, but I have to think that other ministries are more likely to pay bigger dividends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion, Siobhan&#8230;..quit whatever job you have now and run the greenhouse yourself.  Pay the salaries of the people there with the profits, or if there aren&#8217;t any, from your own pocket.  If you&#8217;re not putting your money where your mouth is, STFU.</p>
<p>Sure, it&#8217;s nice to have a convenient plant store in the city, but isn&#8217;t a church supposed to be helping the downtrodden and those with problems?  Plant therapy is all well and good, but I have to think that other ministries are more likely to pay bigger dividends.</p>
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