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	<title>Comments on: Get Ready to Read Big</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2008/04/23/get-ready-to-read-big/#comment-133813</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I see your point, and will reread. Yay big read!

I'm not sure what to say about stereotypes - I would be inclined to say more a product of the times, although w Wolfsheim's character, supposedly based on a real person (this dude - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rothstein) would it have been better if he'd been cast as an Italian mobster?  Remember, too, that it's Gatsby's association with immmigrant criminals that keeps him from being accepted by the white upper class - so for the story to work, some amount of stereotyping - immigrant criminals - was going to be necessary to show Gatsby's 'otherness.' 

As a 'passing' novel pointing out the racism of the 20s, especially among America's 'old' money - that there are some stereotypes - maybe a product of its era, maybe something Fitzgerald was intentionally using to make his point about white America v immigrants (in a time of increased isolationism in the US), mobility, etc. I've read that Fitzgerald intentionally tried to make Gatsby's background unclear - though Gatz might be assumed to be Jewish, that there are lots of other possibilities.

Anyway, a rambling way to say I'm not sure we can reliably read the stereotypes as Fitzgerald being a racist in a novel that's talking about race in the 20s and racism and classicism in America's elite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I see your point, and will reread. Yay big read!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to say about stereotypes - I would be inclined to say more a product of the times, although w Wolfsheim&#8217;s character, supposedly based on a real person (this dude - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rothstein" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rothstein</a>) would it have been better if he&#8217;d been cast as an Italian mobster?  Remember, too, that it&#8217;s Gatsby&#8217;s association with immmigrant criminals that keeps him from being accepted by the white upper class - so for the story to work, some amount of stereotyping - immigrant criminals - was going to be necessary to show Gatsby&#8217;s &#8216;otherness.&#8217; </p>
<p>As a &#8216;passing&#8217; novel pointing out the racism of the 20s, especially among America&#8217;s &#8216;old&#8217; money - that there are some stereotypes - maybe a product of its era, maybe something Fitzgerald was intentionally using to make his point about white America v immigrants (in a time of increased isolationism in the US), mobility, etc. I&#8217;ve read that Fitzgerald intentionally tried to make Gatsby&#8217;s background unclear - though Gatz might be assumed to be Jewish, that there are lots of other possibilities.</p>
<p>Anyway, a rambling way to say I&#8217;m not sure we can reliably read the stereotypes as Fitzgerald being a racist in a novel that&#8217;s talking about race in the 20s and racism and classicism in America&#8217;s elite.</p>
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		<title>By: CPO</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owen, you're not wrong. That is what the book is about. But it is also populated by secondary characters--some Jewish, some African American, described in what we would recognize today as defamatory or racist terms. Big nosed greedy Jews. Wild eyed "bucks." I'm not saying it is not an American classic, but it is also a product of its era which was undoubtedly rife with racism and antisemitism. I was just saying that for a city with a black majority, that prides itself on its diversity, Fitzgerald's casual racism is going to stick in many a craw.  

But heck, I'll (re)read it and have the conversation--which I guess is the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen, you&#8217;re not wrong. That is what the book is about. But it is also populated by secondary characters&#8211;some Jewish, some African American, described in what we would recognize today as defamatory or racist terms. Big nosed greedy Jews. Wild eyed &#8220;bucks.&#8221; I&#8217;m not saying it is not an American classic, but it is also a product of its era which was undoubtedly rife with racism and antisemitism. I was just saying that for a city with a black majority, that prides itself on its diversity, Fitzgerald&#8217;s casual racism is going to stick in many a craw.  </p>
<p>But heck, I&#8217;ll (re)read it and have the conversation&#8211;which I guess is the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CPO - care to elaborate? Gatsby's got some racist characters in it (although I'd say they're not portrayed in a positive light), but the book's largely about the inability of Gatsby    to 'pass' in a rich, white world - that even by the 20s the 'american dream' in terms of social mobility was a myth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CPO - care to elaborate? Gatsby&#8217;s got some racist characters in it (although I&#8217;d say they&#8217;re not portrayed in a positive light), but the book&#8217;s largely about the inability of Gatsby    to &#8216;pass&#8217; in a rich, white world - that even by the 20s the &#8216;american dream&#8217; in terms of social mobility was a myth</p>
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		<title>By: CPO</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it was chosen because of his reliable use of ethnic and racial stereotypes. Perfect for DC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it was chosen because of his reliable use of ethnic and racial stereotypes. Perfect for DC!</p>
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		<title>By: PT</title>
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		<dc:creator>PT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps because Fitzgerald rests eternally in Rockville, Md.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps because Fitzgerald rests eternally in Rockville, Md.</p>
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