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		<title>By: Zetia.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zetia.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Zetia....&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Side effects lunesta.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Side effects lunesta.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lunesta....&lt;/strong&gt;

Lunesta. Can lunesta cause weight gain. Lunesta side effects....</description>
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<p>Lunesta. Can lunesta cause weight gain. Lunesta side effects....</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I wish this strand had stayed a run of tasty ham and lemonade poems. It was much more pleasant and was whetting my appetite. I&#8217;ll leave it on that note. (By the way, if anyone is actually reading for more than this sad little catfight and wants to check out an extraordinary poem about pigs, check out Galway Kinnell&#8217;s &#8220;St. Francis and the Sow.&#8221;)

The piggy-wiggy cries out the wilderness:
Lo, there shall be a great Loaf of White Bread in the Sky
A smothering shroud of lettuce and tomato

O gestation crate! O mother of sows!
My heart is cloven as my hooves
And I am shredded in a Carolina-style vinegar-based sauce.
Squeal, boy! Squeal with your pretty mouth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I wish this strand had stayed a run of tasty ham and lemonade poems. It was much more pleasant and was whetting my appetite. I&#8217;ll leave it on that note. (By the way, if anyone is actually reading for more than this sad little catfight and wants to check out an extraordinary poem about pigs, check out Galway Kinnell&#8217;s &#8220;St. Francis and the Sow.&#8221;)</p>
<p>The piggy-wiggy cries out the wilderness:<br />
Lo, there shall be a great Loaf of White Bread in the Sky<br />
A smothering shroud of lettuce and tomato</p>
<p>O gestation crate! O mother of sows!<br />
My heart is cloven as my hooves<br />
And I am shredded in a Carolina-style vinegar-based sauce.<br />
Squeal, boy! Squeal with your pretty mouth!</p>
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		<title>By: Cherkis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherkis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 15:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juanita needs to workshop her blog comments before posting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juanita needs to workshop her blog comments before posting them.</p>
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		<title>By: Delaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 14:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ham transcends this mortal beef.</description>
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		<title>By: juanita</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2007/05/07/how-bad-is-this-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-7039</link>
		<dc:creator>juanita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 13:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll note that -I- never advocated for bookstores full of Mattie Stepanak either.

 Yes, it&#039;s a blog.  Which is why there are blog comments.  Which is why people offered them.

But I&#039;m done with this.  It&#039;s impossible to keep up with your strained logic and self-contradiction: Critics of the OP must be snobs!  Critics of the OP must be anti-intellectuals.  Etc.  It&#039;s just too tiresome.  But congratulations on the word count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You'll note that -I- never advocated for bookstores full of Mattie Stepanak either.</p>
<p> Yes, it's a blog.  Which is why there are blog comments.  Which is why people offered them.</p>
<p>But I'm done with this.  It's impossible to keep up with your strained logic and self-contradiction: Critics of the OP must be snobs!  Critics of the OP must be anti-intellectuals.  Etc.  It's just too tiresome.  But congratulations on the word count.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie the Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 06:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe I made an argument for &quot;I thought it was stupid&quot; to become our phrase of judgment here. Nor did &quot;I thought it was stupid&quot; make an appearance anywhere in Valdez&#039;s write-up. Nor does the phrase appear in the NYT crit pieces (though you can read it between the lines of Orr and Logan both). 

Valdez reported her response and quoted the work in question for others to read. She may have done so snidely, but hey, welcome to the blogosphere: show me a blog without snide, and I&#039;ll show you a blog with no readers. Her post (note, BLOG POST, not an in-depth critical article considering Mort&#039;s poetry), captured a hard-to-sit-through-event: the sincerely intended poetry reading that makes listeners snort. I&#039;ve been to many of these, and may have given a few. Few will acknowledge them when they happen. The thoughtfully appreciative face, the slight audience &quot;ah&quot; as the poem ends -- these are the accepted responses at a poetry reading. Snorts are unwelcome, but sometimes warranted. 

Valdez captured that need to snort-muffle nicely. She pretty much established the tone at the outset with the anecdote about falling in love at the prison rape reading. Snide it was, and much more amusing than the implications about her writing skills and lack of understanding of &quot;poetics&quot; that followed. If you&#039;re turning to this blog for sincere, in-depth, rigorous poetry analysis, that&#039;s pretty embarassing for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't believe I made an argument for "I thought it was stupid" to become our phrase of judgment here. Nor did "I thought it was stupid" make an appearance anywhere in Valdez's write-up. Nor does the phrase appear in the NYT crit pieces (though you can read it between the lines of Orr and Logan both). </p>
<p>Valdez reported her response and quoted the work in question for others to read. She may have done so snidely, but hey, welcome to the blogosphere: show me a blog without snide, and I'll show you a blog with no readers. Her post (note, BLOG POST, not an in-depth critical article considering Mort's poetry), captured a hard-to-sit-through-event: the sincerely intended poetry reading that makes listeners snort. I've been to many of these, and may have given a few. Few will acknowledge them when they happen. The thoughtfully appreciative face, the slight audience "ah" as the poem ends -- these are the accepted responses at a poetry reading. Snorts are unwelcome, but sometimes warranted. </p>
<p>Valdez captured that need to snort-muffle nicely. She pretty much established the tone at the outset with the anecdote about falling in love at the prison rape reading. Snide it was, and much more amusing than the implications about her writing skills and lack of understanding of "poetics" that followed. If you're turning to this blog for sincere, in-depth, rigorous poetry analysis, that's pretty embarassing for you.</p>
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		<title>By: juanita</title>
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		<dc:creator>juanita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 04:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please, Carrie.  A mere &quot;I thought it was stupid&quot; is a complete cop out for anyone who decides to judge a work of art.  Even this paper can hold itself to a higher critical standard than that.  It doesn&#039;t require a Phd in crit, just a sense of fair play and some basic understanding of the poem itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, Carrie.  A mere "I thought it was stupid" is a complete cop out for anyone who decides to judge a work of art.  Even this paper can hold itself to a higher critical standard than that.  It doesn't require a Phd in crit, just a sense of fair play and some basic understanding of the poem itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie the Red</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2007/05/07/how-bad-is-this-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-6999</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 03:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ripple of rainbow glaze on hamslab!
Crunchy cracklins of 7-11&#039;s gray morning!
Oh bacon! Bacon! 
Let your beige fat 
gather in the sweet curve of my cast iron skillet.

Love this ham-handed versifying. The nastiness over &quot;poetics,&quot; not so much. Is it not possible to say you thought a poem sucked without having your grasp of &quot;poetics&quot; challenged? For god&#039;s sake, Frost and Eliot and Pound and Stevens all hated some poetry. Sometimes they hated each other&#039;s poetry, but they had enough respect to not bring out their Webster&#039;s and fling definitions of &quot;poetics&quot; about. Are we really at a point where you can&#039;t say you didn&#039;t like something unless you can cite Cleanth Brooks on why?

It says a lot about how weakened a state poetry&#039;s in that someone giving an unfavorable review of one reading brings out such hostility. Poetry -- and this young poet -- will survive someone not liking a particular piece of her work and saying so in print. After all, she&#039;s just gotten into Poetry magazine and had her work published by Copper Canyon, y&#039;all!

Anyone read David Orr or William Logan in the NYTimes? They hammer at beloved writers like they were building a house. And what&#039;s the result? People get pissed and talk about poetry. I say halle-freakin-lujah to anyone who&#039;s got any opinion about poetry at all. Thank god for a strong opinion, because without them, all you got in the bookstore poetry section is Mattie Stephanek and those rainbow pastel paperbacks with titles like &quot;I&#039;m So Glad I Had a Mother Like You.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ripple of rainbow glaze on hamslab!<br />
Crunchy cracklins of 7-11's gray morning!<br />
Oh bacon! Bacon!<br />
Let your beige fat<br />
gather in the sweet curve of my cast iron skillet.</p>
<p>Love this ham-handed versifying. The nastiness over "poetics," not so much. Is it not possible to say you thought a poem sucked without having your grasp of "poetics" challenged? For god's sake, Frost and Eliot and Pound and Stevens all hated some poetry. Sometimes they hated each other's poetry, but they had enough respect to not bring out their Webster's and fling definitions of "poetics" about. Are we really at a point where you can't say you didn't like something unless you can cite Cleanth Brooks on why?</p>
<p>It says a lot about how weakened a state poetry's in that someone giving an unfavorable review of one reading brings out such hostility. Poetry -- and this young poet -- will survive someone not liking a particular piece of her work and saying so in print. After all, she's just gotten into Poetry magazine and had her work published by Copper Canyon, y'all!</p>
<p>Anyone read David Orr or William Logan in the NYTimes? They hammer at beloved writers like they were building a house. And what's the result? People get pissed and talk about poetry. I say halle-freakin-lujah to anyone who's got any opinion about poetry at all. Thank god for a strong opinion, because without them, all you got in the bookstore poetry section is Mattie Stephanek and those rainbow pastel paperbacks with titles like "I'm So Glad I Had a Mother Like You."</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heathcliff: You&#039;re making me wish I came ham-haiku-style in the first place. I pop this for you:

Lipid gossamers
Sweet pink proteins exude brine
Toothpick destiny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heathcliff: You're making me wish I came ham-haiku-style in the first place. I pop this for you:</p>
<p>Lipid gossamers<br />
Sweet pink proteins exude brine<br />
Toothpick destiny</p>
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		<title>By: juanita</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2007/05/07/how-bad-is-this-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-6972</link>
		<dc:creator>juanita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Angela.  Did you Google the word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Angela.  Did you Google the word?</p>
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		<title>By: Heathcliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heathcliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cubes of ham slither
In a puddle of mayonnaise
it is paradise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cubes of ham slither<br />
In a puddle of mayonnaise<br />
it is paradise</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Kirkpatrick &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poetry Bashing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Kirkpatrick &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poetry Bashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the City Paper&#8217;s lame reaction to Vhalzyna Mort&#8217;s reading on Saturday. The next Emily Bronte? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the City Paper&#8217;s lame reaction to Vhalzyna Mort&#8217;s reading on Saturday. The next Emily Bronte? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bronte Lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronte Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela - I applaud this much needed call for a return to the fineries of 19th century verse. I doubt very much that Ms. Mort is the next Emily Bronte, and indeed, that is a shame. The poetry world has been waiting for ~150 years for a new Bronte to emerge, and alas, it was not to be at the Big Hunt on Saturday.

Maybe you can judge a CP-sponsored Emily Bronte Poetry Writing Contest and show these Belarusian upstarts some &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; poetry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela - I applaud this much needed call for a return to the fineries of 19th century verse. I doubt very much that Ms. Mort is the next Emily Bronte, and indeed, that is a shame. The poetry world has been waiting for ~150 years for a new Bronte to emerge, and alas, it was not to be at the Big Hunt on Saturday.</p>
<p>Maybe you can judge a CP-sponsored Emily Bronte Poetry Writing Contest and show these Belarusian upstarts some <em>real</em> poetry.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our words can cut meat
My beef is ground on the streets
But ham transcends
And now the Pigs got their hands on me
So while I&#039;m hog-tied
I&#039;ll be thinkin&#039; about spicy treats
Sweetbreads and patties, too
Step to this scrapple, fool
And some flesh will go &#039;smack&#039; on the grill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our words can cut meat<br />
My beef is ground on the streets<br />
But ham transcends<br />
And now the Pigs got their hands on me<br />
So while I'm hog-tied<br />
I'll be thinkin' about spicy treats<br />
Sweetbreads and patties, too<br />
Step to this scrapple, fool<br />
And some flesh will go 'smack' on the grill.</p>
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