Arts Desk

D.C. Nein? DC9′s Nearly Smooth Return to Business as Usual

DC9 booker Steve Lambert

By its own count, DC9 hasn’t had any trouble attracting musicians since Ali Ahmed Mohammed died feet from the 9th Street NW venue one year ago. “Hundreds, if not thousands, of bands have played since that time,” says Steve Lambert, who books acts at DC9 and other venues in the District. “DC9’s been booking full storm since we were exonerated.”

Exonerated, he means, after the incident that saw one of DC9’s owners, Bill Spieler, and four of its employees charged with murdering a 27-year-old Ethiopian immigrant who had thrown at least one brick through the club’s window last October. And exonerated, perhaps, in the public’s eyes—even following Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier’s description of the alleged murder as a “savage beating” and “vigilante justice” not long after Mohammed’s death; following a liquor license suspension issued by the Alcoholic Beverage and Regulation Administration that left the club shuttered for three months; and following numerous protests and vigils.

Considering that the U.S. Attorney’s office dropped criminal charges against the DC9 employees in November and stopped pursuing the case in June, it’s no surprise that Lambert describes business as “normal booking as usual.”

That said, savvy concert-goers may notice that DC9 is booking fewer buzz acts in 2011 than in years past—a product, most likely, of another venue booked by Lambert, The Red and the Black, merging with the bar next door and doubling its capacity. (The newly minted Red Palace and DC9 each hold about 200 patrons.)

As far as Lambert will admit, there’s really been just one blip: In March, local bands The Cornel West Theory and Noon:30, facing pressure from fans and peers, pulled out of their DC9 show. The concert was with Trophy Wives, a four-piece punk outfit from Louisville, Ky., and Phonic Riot, a D.C.-based noise-pop group (who did not respond to interview requests). The concert was one of the first live acts scheduled at DC9 after Mohammad’s death; ABRA had lifted the venue’s remaining liquor-license restrictions only weeks earlier.

“Phonic Riot had contacted us and we were really excited,” Noon:30 guitarist Aissa Arroyo-Hill says. “We contacted The Cornel West Theory and honestly, we weren’t really tapped into the substance how everybody was feeling about DC9. We weren’t aware of it until we took the booking. It wasn’t anything that was thought about before.”

According to DC9 co-owner Joe Englert, bringing live music back to DC9 was tricky. The club officially reopened in December, but only on weekends and holidays, and at first without live acts. “We were basically screwed,” he says. “We couldn’t book high-caliber bands because they book so far in advance.” When ABRA lifted its restrictions, he explains, the venue relied on booking “faithful locals” to fill the first few months. The March 28 concert, like other shows in the spring, was an important step toward returning to DC9’s standard routine.

Arroyo-Hill says she caught the first inkling of trouble when she told a fan about the concert. That’s when she learned about ongoing tension between the club and some residents that live near 9th and U Streets—the neighborhood knows as Little Ethiopia. “It was around the time we were all like, ‘Oh wait a minute. There’s a protest,’” she says.

The Cornel West Theory, on the other hand, had kept tabs on the Mohammed case and was eager to play DC9. “I’ll listen to anyone say anything, but it always comes down to us,” vocalist Rashad Dobbins says. “My goal was to play at that place to smash it all and touch those people.”

Noon:30, which makes atmospheric art punk, and The Cornel West Theory, which makes politically conscious rap rock, are among a fairly small number of acts whose members are mostly black and have followings within D.C.’s largely white indie-rock scene. You could put rapper Head-Roc, who also leads the funk-rock band GODISHEUS, in the same category.

“Head-Roc left us a message on Facebook,” Noon:30 singer Blue S. Moon says. “He basically reiterated what we’d been hearing, that there’s this ongoing protest against DC9 regarding what happened and what it means to this community.”

Head-Roc, who contributes to Washington City Paper and has been a fixture in the D.C. music scene for more than a decade, is a prolific critic of Lambert, who in addition to scheduling DC9 and Red Palace also books Rock & Roll Hotel, where he’s a co-owner. Many shows at Lambert’s venues use a practice called “door polling,” in which fans are asked which act they’re there to see; bands are paid according to that data. Head-Roc and other indie rockers have criticized the practice in recent years.

Head-Roc proudly admits to “taking chunks” out of Lambert on his Facebook page; in conversation, he calls him a “menace” and a “predator” to the scene. “It’s such bad karma and such bad juju that these unfortunate things, like the death of the Ethiopian cat, have befallen that establishment,” he says.

Moon says that she knew about Head-Roc’s history with Lambert when she read his message, but nonetheless considered his advice. “Everybody knows about his issues with DC9,” she says. “I don’t really know what his intentions were, but all I can really go on is the face value of what he wrote.”

Dobbins, who has known Head-Roc since 1994, also heard from the rapper. “I understand how he felt, but personally I wanted to go right into the belly of the beast and talk about it,” he says. “I want to go right to the center of it all.”

In the end, though, it came down to respect. Noon:30 kept hearing from peers that playing DC9 would be disrespectful to Mohammad’s memory and his family. Dobbins didn’t hear from fans of The Cornel West Theory, he says, but friends within the Ethiopian community told him that playing “would be like stomping on their soul.” So with two weeks to go before the concert, the bands called Lambert and told him they wouldn’t play. “If what happened to that young man happened to my brother, I would hope people would handle it with respect,” Moon says. “Our choosing to pull out had less to do with Heady or any other person and more to do with wanting to respect his family and the people who were affected by this tragedy.”

After The Cornel West Theory released a statement announcing its decision, Head-Roc sent out a Facebook message lauding them. “The Cornel West Theory is family to me,” he says. “I would never put any type of family business out in the street, so I congratulated them.”

The news caused the smallest of ripples within the local music scene. Some black musicians, such as Steve McPherson, who has performed at DC9 as DJ Stereo Faith, never even heard of pressure to avoid the venue. And if he had, McPherson says, he wouldn’t have budged. “As far as I could tell, there hasn’t been a thing going around where you shouldn’t play that particular venue,” he says. “As a black man who has run up against false accusations with the law, I feel like that’s wrong—banding against people who were proven innocent. That’s something I cannot support.”

Englert says that opinions like McPherson’s—which he says are shared by “the people who know the club, the kids who come and dance and know what we’re all about”— are largely responsible for getting DC9 back on its feet. And now, the venue’s decidedly upright: Since Lambert started booking major acts again in June, Englert says sales have jumped 75 percent compared to past months. “We really had no business from Oct. 15 on because we couldn’t book bands and the miserable spring weather kept the outdoor deck closed,” Englert says, estimating the club lost $500,000 in income and attorney’s fees. “It’s been a hell of a comeback that proves this is a good place.”

And for what it’s worth, Lambert says he has no hard feelings about the dropped sets. “I booked The Cornel West Theory and Noon:30 numerous times before, and honestly, I would book them again,” he says. “It was annoying that they dropped off, but it was what it was and it was what they felt. There wasn’t any bad blood. I didn’t write them off or black list them or anything. We just moved on.”

With DC9 back to where it used to stand financially, Lambert says he’s no longer concerned. “These are two bands, relatively unknown D.C. local bands, out of the large pool of local bands that came back and played DC9,” he says. “This is a very, very small pool. Not downgrading either bands’ importance—but, for me, I don’t really need to dwell on this. There’s tons of other bands that want to play DC9. I’m not gonna put much thought into it.”

Photo by Darrow Montgomery

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  • PTRQ

    I agree that DC9 is mainly back to normal, but it was the worst club in DC before any of that happened. Terrible sound, thanks to inattentive and rude sound guys, a horribly configured stage that destroys any energy in the crowd, and of course door polling is ridiculous, disrespectful to both audience and bands, and completely inappropriate for this market. The whole operation is completely tone-deaf to the DC music scene and almost everyone I know (which is a lot of people) hates playing there and thinks that Lambert is, at best, a clueless, sorta scummy, misguided joker. And, no, I've never played there or anywhere else, I've just never been to a show there that wasn't a disappointment, and I've seen plenty of friends screwed-over/mistreated by these buffoons. Just making money shouldn't be the goal of any club, it's about nurturing community and providing the best venue possible for the artists.

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    Steve Lambert REFUSED TO BOOK LOCAL BLACK MUSIC AND ACTS until Head-Roc confronted Him AND THE PLACES HE CONTROLS on the issue.

    Fact.

    I will be happy to tell my story of steve lambert, he who when first arriving in chocolate city from columbus ohio in 2006 reached out to me to get the lay of the land here. welcomed him with open arms, only to be shitted on years later.

    now he has divided the scene with his Plantation styled operation.

    i have documents and supporting testimony from a myriad of bands that dont fuck with this cat. the media wants to dance around and be NICE to this cat. even the government allowed his venues to continue operation after a violent incident took place there.

    Every Black club that has had violence happen at it has been shut down, and DC Nein Survives??????

    Whats really going on? I know. Race. Class. and Politics.

    its the New Civil Rights Era to fight 21st century sophisticated Racism.

    Yes, this guy is THAT bad.

    Bless and Love... Go back and read my old Head-Roc's mouth articles.

  • http://www.drguitarstrings.org Dr Colored

    I just wanted to add that I have never found Lambert to be racist or discriminant towards anyone.

    I also agree that these are just two bands, and this is being made to look like the million man march or something geez...

  • PTRQ

    I've never heard anyone accuse Lambert of being racist, just being an egotistical asshole who writes a lot of abusive e-mails, uses misguided and disrespectful business practices and books at 3 very poorly managed clubs that no one likes playing and are terrible places to attend concerts. There are certainly plenty of other bands that don't work with him or avoid at all costs. He's probably the biggest problem in the DC music scene and will likely implode thanks to his own disrespectful attitudes. I, for one, can't wait for this and would really like to speed his decline. I do what I can by not supporting his business, I go to one of his clubs less than once a month on average (and I average over 6 shows a week; it takes a lot to get me to DC9, the blotel, or Red Palace)

  • jack

    Agree with PTRQ wholeheartedly. I've never had a good experience playing one of his shows. Who knows where is attitude comes from, but even out of town bands talk about how much they dislike working with him.

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    Peace Family,

    It is important to remember, i have never called or written that Steve Lambert is a racist. I say that he has discriminated against DC's professional artists - especially so against Black Artists, Culture, and Music. I stand by that.

    Racism and discrimination are two different things. i have chosen my words carefully to describe what this cat does. even explained it to Him, as when i brought it up to him he thought i was calling him a Racist. i assured him personally that i wasnt. Ask him. He remembers.

    he also remembers sabatoging me on a few shows that out of town bands coming to rock dc, requested that i be on the bill. He remembers his.

    see, i think he is using his postion here in the scene to fuel his Hood Booking company. bringing bands he likes and have relationships from out of town with little or no draw, and using the locals boots attendance. putting pressure on them to do his job - which is to promote why his Venues are so hot and the artst he bring are so hot that the general public should patronize them. he has incorporated the corrupt and dishonest polling method to psychological control local Artist into busting asses to bring people into his houses, spend money in his house, and then he rewards the bands with next to nothing and criticism for not meeting his numbers. actually, since he is doing zero promotion of his venues, he should pay the artists who rock there double. for performing AND for Promoting. No, he keeps the money and pays himself for his cleverness.

    Again, this has zero integrity and is predatory on the aspirations of Artists. Artist want to play, and serious Artists, in the end, will do Almost anything for the opportunity to rock. he controls the nicers venues and knows they are premium and is aware of the Artists desperation dynamic. He uses it to his advantage.

    Clarity... i will provide more, too.

  • http://www.colonelkspeaks.blogspot.com Colonel K

    "He's probably the biggest problem in the DC music scene."

    No.

    The biggest problems in the DC music scene are a)lack of cooperation b) lack of affordable practice spaces. Steve Lambert is a booking agent for 3 major clubs in the district, whether you like it or not. If you don't like his business practices, don't frequent his venues. Why get up on a soapbox about it? Ever booked a show in New York, LA or London, where there are real life genuine assholes who are known to rob and steal from musicians.

    As per Head-Roc, you I see no benefit in beefing with Lambert. You need to focus more on your own hustle and your "star player," if I may quote Katt Williams. The game is rough, I get it. But what are you doing to shine?

  • PTRQ

    Good points, Patrick, we have certainly had this conversation a million times. My statement certainly was a bit harsh, I have a tendency to do that. You know I don't frequent his venues unless absolutely necessary/to support friends, such as you. And just because booking agents are dicks in other cities doesn't mean they should be here.

  • legit question

    who is more insufferable: pat walsh or head-roc? discuss.

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    Peace Family,

    I always find it interesting the response to me, a 20 year vet and bricklayer of the scene, by some folks. Let me set you and others straight on a few thngs.

    Number 1:
    and i don mean to brag, but My career is on Fire, and all accomplished outside of the conventional music scene here in town - which discriminates against Black and all forms of Conscious Music. Furthermore, The strength and character of my Art expression, as Head-Roc or in GODISHEUS, overcomes everyone's sabotage. always has.

    Number 2: i dont play Lambert Venues at all. havent for years. he doesnt factor into my livlihood. and none of the major venues do for that matter. what does factor, are the requests for help from other artists that i hear from frequently to ask my advice on how to deal with this predator in our midst. these people... are my friends. I help my friends. from the platforms i have earned the right to speak and interact with people from.

    Number 3: Ill do as I Blessed well please. Ive paid my dues and then some, family. more than most in fact. and i aint beefing with Lambert. I am educating a community. there is a difference. however, he IS the target and example of everything not good with our scene.

    now, im a community man. you may not be. being that im am, i feel a sense of responsibility to the community i am a part of and help nurture - and protect.

    anything beyond that... bring your band or your favorite band and play for the crown to espouse your opinon. talk is cheap. lets play for keeps. that's my position. it about the Best Groups playing the Best Venues and being treated fairly with regards to access and business. Its a Labor Issue. Lambert is a Thief. I said it. I stand by it. i can prove it. i have proved it. and you know what... Most folks agree.

    thank you!

  • PTRQ

    oh hey, look at that, I'm getting hated on on a comment thread. To be fair, you're right, I'm pretty insufferable. I'm the 1st order of self-righteous dick about this shit and always hate rereading what I've said. I do honestly believe everything I said, I just tend to speak in generalities and broad statements. The world is much more complex than I present it at times, I recognize that. Head-Roc, however, is not insufferable. He's an honest, hard working guy, doing what he can for this city and his art. Again, may at times make incendiary statements to try to spark controversy, but many are guilty of this,myself obviously included.

  • on the scene

    Whether or not the anti-Lambert people are extreme in their views, I credit them for speaking openly with their opinions.

    The truth is, most musicians and people in the DC scene do not have favorable opinions of him, but are actually afraid to voice their feelings publicly. This is because show opportunities in this town are sparse enough that it could end up blackmailing their future opportunities.

    In my experience (I have extensive experience playing, booking, touring...), the Lambert-Englert places are very aggressive establishments. As money continues to evaporate from the music business, aggressive venues are cracking down on numbers more than ever. Unfortunately for the DC scenes, the corporate approach backfires on creating any sort of artistic community here (H St. feels like a gentrified Rockville). These venues in question are exclusively about business and that's where Lambert and Head-roc (and everyone else) are going to have their disagreements, since artists value community and variety and getting paid occasionally despite not packing the house.

    While DC may not have the "crooks" that NYC or LA does, those are also larger scenes with a bigger network of musicians, and in this town these guys have way more weight. I also don't think Lambert is racist, I think he's just about the money.

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    there are no Legit Question from anonymous people.

  • Really?

    Dear White People,

    This is just a public service announcement. Just because YOU'VE never heard of someone being racist, doesn't mean that they aren't racist. It's not always about YOU and YOUR experiences.

    signed,
    A fellow white dude

  • PTRQ

    I'm not going to call someone racist without any evidence. I didn't say that he isn't racist, that's just something I have no information about, so it would be unfair to say anything about either way.

  • chris lee

    "Racist" is the most over-used word in America now. You KNOW the statistics. Address that.

  • Typical

    Seems as if the City Paper just chose to pick on DC9 again, knowing that this piece would receive numerous "hits" due to the close timing to the anniversary of Ali's passing away. If there IS an issue with Lambert (which seems to be the true main focus of this piece) why don't you put Rock and Roll as the location subject- considering that's where a majority of his shows are booked?

    Also, "Nein"? Really, Christopher Heller? Would you like to elaborate on you choosing that as part of the title? Or were you just taking a moment to publicly celebrate your Germanic roots? I'm sure you weren't using that word for any other sort of connotation.

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    There is no way possible that the Word Racist is over used in America. America is FOUNDED on White Supremacy and Racism towards any other... Race.

    the institutions in place STILL perpetuate this principal of Governance and Societal Order. That's what EVERY movement in this country from the beginning of its inception has been working to Fight.

    From the Native Resistance to Occupy "you take your pick"

    Really, Folks need to stop lying to themselves and get involved to Fight Discrimination at every Level.

    Steve Lambert discriminates against Black Artists and Black Music in this Town of Majority Black Residents and Citizens. The evidence is Clear.

    Kudos to the City Paper for having the Courage to print the opinions of those who see it... including Mine.

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    ...and how you know Racism exists is the simple fact that the response to even the mere mention of the Word is met with insults and violence.

    Another America Institutional response to People standing up against... Racism.

    Learn your History and embrace it to make the Future Better.

  • chris lee

    There is no way possible that the Word Racist is over used in America. America is FOUNDED on White Supremacy and Racism towards any other... Race.

    the institutions in place STILL perpetuate this principal of Governance and Societal Order. That's what EVERY movement in this country from the beginning of its inception has been working to Fight.

    From the Native Resistance to Occupy "you take your pick"

    <>
    That's the point you want to drive home. it's a strawman argument. Now let's deal with the PARTICULARS. Some "A-hole" throws a brick thru a window and sets off a tragic chain of events. I am black, used to go into DC9 alot, was on very good terms with the owner. I am curious to see what the racial makeup of the security squad was..not that Ahmed deserved to die, but your argument is problematic here.

  • chris lee

    <>
    Taking a cursory look at trends and statistics in terms of violence and disruption when large groups of black youngsters get together with alcohol in the District compared to their mostly white hipster counterparts..on FACTS alone, what would you guess the percentage is?

  • http://uh anon

    Head-Roc needs to Learn how to capitalize Properly. Perhaps he should stop telling Others to learn their History before he Masters elementary Grammar.

  • chris lee

    I am recently re-located to DC, and am fascinated at how you can't go a WEEK with out this kind of story OR the cliche divisive responses.

  • dave b

    So let me get this straight:

    Someone "REFUSED TO BOOK LOCAL BLACK MUSIC AND ACTS"

    What is the possible motive for that? Not racism because it doesnt say he didnt book out of town local acts. Maybe the guy just doesnt like making money? Oh but according to other posts he just rips people off all the time.

    I dont have a dog in this fight either way. But when the first couple of comments have the quote in CAPS, I can't help but think that the author of the comment is a bit crazy or holds a personal grudge. It doesnt make business sense to discriminate at all. It makes even less sense in this city in 2011. It makes even less sense to further discriminate against local acts, who I would assume have a following if they were any good. Maybe the bands you wanted this guy to book just werent any good

  • dave b

    Further, what is Head Roc's definition of a local act? A band from the 1900 block of 9th St NW? Or Head Roc's block? Or Head Roc's house?

  • chris lee

    Head-Roc is a classic example in these kinds of threads of displaced responsibility...and the need to regurgitate a worn out screed about the obviousness of America's social history. YES WE ALL KNOW AMERICA HAS A RACIST PAST, IT ALSO HAS A DISTINCTLY REFORMIST PAST! A TASTE FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE THAT ALOT OF CURRENT THIRD WORLD GOVERNMENTS SEEM TO HAVE IN SHORT SUPPLY!

  • http://uh anon

    No sir, you need to learn your History. Amerikkka enslaved the black man, therefore when a Black man died in an Altercation with DC9 employees, it was Murder and they are Racist. FACT.

  • chris lee

    can't argue with that.

  • chris lee

    were any of the DC9 beat down staff black?

  • http://uh anon

    yeah, two of them.

  • chris lee

    guess they were just followin' da man's lead

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    just went back and re-read the Article...

    the part that goes
    "With DC9 back to where it used to stand financially, Lambert says he’s no longer concerned. “These are two bands, relatively unknown D.C. local bands, out of the large pool of local bands that came back and played DC9,” he says. “This is a very, very small pool. Not downgrading either bands’ importance—but, for me, I don’t really need to dwell on this. There’s tons of other bands that want to play DC9. I’m not gonna put much thought into it.”

    is so devaluing of the Grind Noon:30 and CWT has put in. How can this cat say that they are relatively unknown??? CWT alone is linked with the famous Dr. Cornel West Himself. An Ivy League and World reknowned Scholar. thats ridiculous. the issue is that when Lambert books these acts, he doesnt advertise the weight either bands have. He devalues them and so he doesnt event think about it. He says himself that he thinks of DC as "Pool". what kind of talk is that? He's not from here and has Zero connection. thats why he funnels his Hood Booking agency through those three clubs. Like a monster - I mean Mobster. He uses the DC scene to prop up his personal machine. Yall might be cool with that, but I am not. I have way more respect and Love for both groups, and a great many others do to.

    Addressing Racism...
    Now, i May Not capitolize Where you think I should, but i do have excellent reading comprehension - which has seemed to escape a few who have commented.

    Again, I did NOT call Lambert a Racist. I said he dicriminates against Black Artist, and Conscious music at the venues he controls. Let me educate the ignorant:

    Racism is defined as - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

    I dont believe or accuse Lambert of being a Racist. Again, i explained this to him personly years ago when i called him out on his discrimination of Black Artists and Conscious Music. Much like some of the responders on this board, he took it to say i meant he was racist. when i explained to him the difference he piped down and apologized to me. Ask him, and if he doesnt remember i have the hard evidence. :-)

    Now..
    Discrimination is defined as - the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently. http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2011/10/12/d-c-nein-dc9s-nearly-smooth-return-to-business-as-usual/#comment-145505

    I ABSOLUTLEY believe and know and can prove that Steve Lambert, by this definition, has discriminated against Black Acts and Conscious Artists trying to work at this venues. Look at this booking trends. And think about this on a macro level with all the premium venues in DC:

    In a city that is 50% Black, by the numbers alone 50% of the local acts that play them should be Black. Fact. They are not. Fact.

    does this mean to say that talent wise White Artists outshine Black Artists more in a town where White People are the minority??? The answer is no.

    So, the question is why do White Artists get more exposure and opportunities than Black artists here in Chocolate City? I know Why.

    But I am excited to see what others come up. Im going to get my popcorn corn and what the Dance on this One! :-)

    Yours Truthfully,

    Head-Roc

  • chris lee

    His venue doesn't sell that kind of music. it's a free country, the BRAND and focus of his place is indie , punk and alternative rock. He's not sponsored by the NEA, it's a PRIVATE organization. You are absolutely right he DISCRIMINATES, targets and focuses. Has he had ANY classical orchestras? Peruvian woodwind? Swing jazz? ballet? etc? in a a city like DC is it possible to find an endless supply of contemporary r and b, hip hop, and so on presented in venues that THEMSELVES focus and discriminate along THOSE lines?

  • on the scene

    >>His venue doesn't sell that kind of music. it's a free country, the BRAND and focus of his place is indie , punk and alternative rock.

    while the polling and methods are all pretty terrible, the above is true. these are venues which cater to the pitchfork media crowd above all else. r&b, hip-hop, funk, jazz, soul, metal, hardcore, most electronic, classical and so on that does not appear on the pitchfork-type's radar is booked in very small amounts -- if at all.

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    Peace Family,

    wanted to give it a minute before i responded to Chris lee's post. i was moved by it... because it is the poster post of CLASSIC discrimination.

    what do you really mean by saying, "His venue doesn't sell that kind of music. it's a free country, the BRAND and focus of his place is indie , punk and alternative rock."?

    Black artists in Chocolate City do and excel at ALL THOSE GENRES!!! think about this a bit. what you're really saying is that Black artist are not doing Punk, Alt, and indie Rock, and that is a bold faced Lie. I am an award winning Black Indie and alternative Musicians along with COUNTLESS OTHERS. wtf????

    the refusal to let us come in and express in those genres, that we are historically the architects of, is pure simple unadulterated DISCRIMINATION. think about this a minute family. what are you really saying?

    the psychology of using a genre to discriminate is part of the sophisticated tactics now employed post Civil Right movement era and laws enacted to prevent discrimination.

    "He's not sponsored by the NEA, it's a PRIVATE organization. You are absolutely right he DISCRIMINATES, targets and focuses."

    on the above, i can't even believe you wrote that publicly, family. what??? Lunch counters all over this country were PRIVATE, DISCRIMINATING, AND TARGETING in favor of White Patrons - just like Lamberts operations. the connections of what you wrote to how things existed before Black People advocated for themselves to be able to partake in the bounty of America is clearly obvious. there is no legitimate argument against it. It's pure discrimination which is... ILLEGAL! The supreme court struck what you are putting forth an argument DOWN, family. again, Think about this.

    Furthermore, Lambert's venues are not PRIVATE clubs with members paying dues, a mission statement, guidelines, and an oath. its a BUSINESS that is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. so, even your distinction that is is PRIVATE is incorrect. and on that note, GOLF CLUBS were too challenged and sued for their sophisticated membership policies that were discriminating against Black People. Wow, are you kidding me?

    Really, folks should be careful about what they say when defending BLATANT discrimination. Your true colors will come out for all to see. My argument that Lambert has been discriminating against Black Music and Conscious Culture in DC since he's been here is Airtight.

    there are Civil Rights Lawyers, when the arguments are articulated and laid out, who would be interested in this kind of old school way of doing business.

    ill leave it there for now for you to marinate on. There's more... much more. Im patient, and have been for years now dealing with this issue.

  • chris lee

    <<on the above, i can't even believe you wrote that publicly, family. what??? Lunch counters all over this country were PRIVATE, DISCRIMINATING, AND TARGETING in favor of White Patrons - just like Lamberts operations. the connections of what you wrote to how things existed before Black People advocated for themselves to be able to partake in the bounty of America is clearly obvious. there is no legitimate argument against it. It's pure discrimination which is... ILLEGAL! The supreme court struck what you are putting forth an argument DOWN, family. again, Think about this. <<
    DISCRIMINATION in and of itself is not a bad word or thing. It's why and on what basis that counts. His venue focuses mostly on indie rock and such which is MOSTLY white hipster artists and artists. If you want to give me hard evidence that this cat has said NO BLACK ARTISTS OR AUDIENCE ALLOWED then I will be won over to your indignation, otherwise you are LOOKING for racism where it doesn't exist.

  • chris lee
  • chris lee

    My main point is how liberally the term "racism" is thrown around in debates as a smear with little or no substance. Are there really "countless" other black indie rock bands? How many female, asian, russian, canadian, etc bands have been booked @ DC9..your argument is a "strawman" argument...

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    chris Lee... or whatever your name is.

    im tired of saying this... i do not call Lambert a racist. that's you doing that... probably out of guilt. Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

    i do say Lambert discriminates against Black artist and Conscious Music in general. i have already proven it. thats why Steve doesn't respond. my evidence is documented with him.

    no more time to your refusal to submit to a sound rational argument. i have proven all my points. you lose.

    no worries though.. i am not done with Lambert yet. there is an end game to all of this.

    Bless!

    "His venue focuses mostly on indie rock and such which is MOSTLY white hipster artists and artists."

    more discrimination... really? i have to laugh at you.

    Hipsters are horrible artists. Ill prove it. pick your favorite hipster band and my Black Indie Rock band will run them out of town.. in a lambert venue... with the crowd fully stacked against us.

    no hipster band would EVER take this challenge. try me...

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiOWZ5xur84
    We used to play DC9 until they Keep steeling our money after we put on the best shows any band has ever done there. Fact.

  • http://www.head-roc.com Head-Roc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN11TFzJOJ4
    GODISHEUS is an industry award winning band. Indie Rock!

  • chris lee

    All right. The matter is settled. There are black or indie bands with black members that don't get recognition @ DC9 because of SL's express policy against booking them. Not because he is a racist but because he selectively excludes black indie-rockers. Got it. AND you never said he was/is a racist...he just knowingly and willfully selects against black musicians. Done. I lose, you win.

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