Arts Desk

Why Fighting at the DMV Awards Is Tragic for the Scene

What was supposed to have been an evening of celebration for the area's best hip-hop artists instead eroded into violence last night, when five or six fights erupted on the first and second floors of the Crystal City Hyatt Hotel in Arlington County during the fifth annual DMV Music Awards.

Det. Crystal Nosal, a spokesperson for the Arlington County Police Department, said that roughly 1,500 people attended the awards show. Because of the flood of 911 calls, the police department sent all of its cars on the street to the hotel, she said. Five people were taken local hospitals, including a Hyatt buffet worker, who was seen leaving an employee-only lounge holding a towel to his eye. Crystal City Hyatt General Manager Jean-Marc Dizard could not confirm where the worker was hit.

There were no arrests and an investigation is ongoing, Nosal said.

Unfortunately, the actions of a few have now left a black eye on a hip-hop scene still struggling to find its place as a nationally acknowledged music hub. And while the organizers' intentions were good and they aren't to blame for the fights, that doesn't hide the fact that this awards show was unruly from the beginning.

Throughout, artists and other guests seemed more focused on socializing and showing off than respecting what was happening on stage. A near who's who of the DMV lined the walls of the Hyatt ballroom and walked the aisles (do you see that going on at The Grammy's?). Sure, there were 1,500 people there, but you'd never have known it, since so many people floated in and out of the ballroom during the ceremony. Simply put: The entire night was disrespectful.

Then the fights happened. Details are still hazy, but one witness told Arts Desk that he saw "five or six different skirmishes going on," with as many as 15 people beating up on one guy.

"They almost threw one guy over the balcony," said Tim Borland, a U.S. Army veteran staying at the Hyatt for a veterans convention. "It was awful. I would think there is probably some local gangs here who don't like each other."

That's one of my biggest concerns about last night's debacle. Last year's DMV Awards took place at the Hampton Inn Conference Center, in a hard-to-find industrial park in Prince George's County. This year, thanks to organizer Dre All Day and his team, the awards ceremony was held at a posh Hyatt hotel in a relatively ritzy part of the region. When I arrived, the first thing I noticed was a large number of elderly white people in the hotel lobby. But when you think "hip-hop," you think of young black people. To have an epic altercation surrounded by so many whites only reinforces negative stereotypes of African-Americans.

The DMV's music scene doesn't deserve to be relegated to a beat-up industrial park; it truly deserves better surroundings. After last night's incident, however, it's unclear how soon the awards show can bounce back from such a display. Sure, last night's Twitter dispatches offered a mixture of dismay and positive spin, but this debacle will not soon be forgotten, especially when it's time to plan next year's awards show.

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  1. #1

    Why can't the DMV have nice things?

  2. #2

    Um...it was said on Twitter .. that a fight did WONDERS for the BET AWARDS!! But honestly... this was written in the stars before the event... as positive as it could have been.. it was marred with negativity fromthe get go. I myself felt for as much security I had to go thru like Obama was visiting.. where was security when the ruckus broke?? THAT could have and CAN be a serious INSURANCE concern.. LAWSUITS A COMING most likely...

    Next year they need to have the DMV Awards in DC! DC COPS woulda been IN the awards. "Best Rookie DC Cop"

  3. #3

    This is really sad. I attended last year's event and was really nervous that something was going to happen. Bottles of alcohol and people milling around tended to make me uncomfortable. I thought that by moving the venue to another location meant that people would act better but that didn't happen. I do feel sorry for the promoter because I believe he wanted to have something positive for DMV.

  4. #4

    It's thug music, it's all about being a thug, what do you expect? Hip hip is doomed as a genre because it is negative to the core - it offers no positive message, does not affirm life, love, or the existence of a higher power. It is a completely narcissistic, empty and nihilistic genre - why should we care? Discuss.

  5. #5

    There's a Great-Grandmother on my block who plays Run DMC from her SUV. Hip Hop is Grandmas' music. It's old, over, and as suburban as Mitchellville.

  6. #6

    Poor Dre all Day. I know he's mad as hell that he put so much work into doing something "classy" for the DMV and now it's gone to waist. These "rappers" need to spend time actually learning the art form of hip-hop. It's not supposed to be about the bullshit they talk about. I'm tired of the excuse "I rap about what I know". Did it ever occur to some of us, that maybe you don't know enough? Old wise words: "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say shit." Hip-hop has been dead since they let all of these super-egotistical windbags in with no well-rounded life experience on the airwaves, and put millions in their pocket. Now anybody with a beat machine and a couple of catchy phrases can be called an "artist". Success is only meant for those who actually know what it takes to get it. Unity has always been the way to climb from under. With that said, some of these people need to find a day job and stop lying to themselves. They make this area look bad. For those of us who have talent and class to go along with it, we need to takeover and sit the youngins down and tell them what's what. Just my opinion.

  7. #7

    As terrible as it was we still need to step back and see how we can better organize as people. This is not who really are as people. We need to step into our own.

  8. #8

    i love the comments posted by "curiousgeorge" and "luvlee83"

  9. #9

    The finger pointing should be at the people who put on an event with 1500 people and did not have adequate security. 1500 guest at $35 each generated $50K+ should have budgeted for some off duty police officers, doubt Ninjas would have been acting up if the Boys were working security, I am just saying

  10. #10

    the article says "reinforces negative stereotypes of black people"
    at what point do we stop hiding behind the description of "stereotypes" for these actions,and take responsibility for these actions,and change them?you used the term "reinforce",which means that they were already there....and we all know for good reasons(other incidents like this)

  11. #11

    @curiousgeorge & @northwesterner, so what kind of music do u advise us all to listen to? You seem to have strong (ill informed/ignorant) opinions about hip-hop, so since you all are self_proclaimed musicologists, why don't you both tell the class about your obviously superior musical taste and what we should be listening to. Wayne newton perhaps? Maybe some awesome bon jovi? Would it make u feel better if we all listened to the crap u put in your earholes?

  12. #12

    Hip_hop is not at all dead. Just because a bunch of opinionated gasbags think they should dictate what the rest of us should listen to, that really has no bearing on the intrinsic value of an artform. Its always some redneck or hipster whose musical taste is garbage trying to claim that hip-hop is no good. You don't see me talking about the corny country glam rock crap u jokers listen to. So y r u all talking about hip_hop (which u don't listen to often enough to have any kind of informed opinion on)?

    Hip_hop haters r generally just young black male hater who don't have the balls to say that upfront

  13. #13

    The culture of hip hop is completely narcissistic and uninspired. It accuses anyone who doesn't like it of being a racist. How old and tired. And pathetic and small and unimaginative. I was watching a Showtime piece on Bill Withers - I didn't even know he was still alive. What a talented singer, songwriter, and now, he can add humanitarian to his accomplishments - he used to be a stutterer, and now supports organizations that help kids who stutter. His daughter is an aspiring singer song-writer in her own right. She said she won't be able to match "Ain't No Sunshine" any time soon, but she will keep working at it. Hip hop is off the mark - you don't have to listen to it to know that - you can see the reflection of its values in the way people around it act and behave. Spreading violence and hate. No great art form does that and survives or claims to make a meaningful contribution. Okay, continue discussion. . .

  14. #14

    Narcissistic & uninspired according 2 what expert? You?

  15. #15

    U sound silly. By what objective criteria are you making these sweeping generalities about an entire genre of music? I could easily say all (fill in blank) music is (fill in pejorative) but that would just be ignorant and make me sound clownish (like u)

  16. #16

    **THIS WAS THE FIRST AND THE LAST TIME...THE DMV WILL HOST AN EVENT IN ARLINGTON VIRGINIA. NOT TO BE ....RACIST...BUT TO TELL THE TRUTH.

    IF I AM A BUSINESS MAN..AND I OWN THE SPACE THAT IS BEING RENTED...THEN I COULD MAKE GOOD MONEY TO HOST THE EVENT FOR 5 HOURS....BUT IF MY NAME AND PROPERTY WILL BE DESTROYED...THEN I WILL ...PASS ON THE EVENT ..NEXT YEAR.

    SO IF YOU PLAN ON HAVING THE EVENT AGAIN NEXT YEAR..YOU BETTER START LOOKING ...FOR A "NEW" LOCATION IN....PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY...BECAUSE YOU HAVE ...WORN YOUR WELCOME OUT...IN VIRGINIA...SORRY.

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  17. #17

    Will black people ever really improve as a race? Sadly all signs point to no.

  18. #18

    @Johnathan Blaze

    If the room is full of black people at an awards show centered about hip hop and rap where the "artists" are all black?

    no.

  19. #19

    Album of the years winners God's Illa is as hip hop ad they come. Listen to their album and judge for yourself. They speak of positivity, education, a higher being, love for self, family and community through the eyes of three young men raised in PG.

  20. #20

    go ham on them hater real live and next time day want some work give it to the hater m ave

  21. #21

    Cant defend the situation especially when its happened at other hiphop award shows. Maybe the negative messages behind our music has taken its toll. But whats interesting is you dont see the Hiphop icons acting this way. Jayz is in his office 9-5, 50cent is on the set of his next movie and Wayne is in South Beach on the beach.

    The Hiphop that the media plays now is much more negative than what was played in the 80's and late 90's.

  22. #22

    the writers only bad complaint was how embarrassing it was to watch them act a fool in front of white folks. That, be on your best behavior mentality should go 4 the poor folks too. What makes white folks so special ????

  23. Brightwood Ward 4
    #23

    These are ghetto hood rats. The event turned into one hot mess!

  24. #24

    Using DMV to represent where people are from has been made popular mainly by Maryland and VA people that want to be included with DC, because when you are already from the nations capital, there is no purpose nor gain in notoriety in including VA or MD when representing where you are from to someone else.

    Why can't things just go back to the way they were before when DMV was only used in reference to where those metro trains and buses traveled? Let MD have MD, DC have DC, and VA have VA. MD, VA and DC all have different laws from one another along with plenty of other differences, from the quality of the tap water, to the quality of many of the public schools, to the quality of many of the communities. These differences are clear and evident in each state, and in many of the people from each of the different states. DMV are three separate, visibly different states, not one whole. Does New York have an 'MLS Island Awards'? (Manhattan, Staten and Long Island).

    DMV should stop trying to piggyback off of the other state just to feel relevant in the music business or gain notoriety, and artists from each should make their own individual ways in the music business, repping their own cities and states, like real artists do from everywhere else in the US.

    It's kind of arrogant of the DMV to think they produce enough talent to hold a DMV awards when almost all of the people being awarded are not even talented enough to be awarded, respected as an artist, recognized or known outside of their DMV area. Most of them probably fall very short when compared to most of the artists, outside of the DMV area, with real talent. How much talent is really there if they can't even get many outsiders to acknowledge and respect their music in this day, age and genre of music where you dont even need real talent to make it big?

    DC alone is full of more ignorant thugs than most places in the US, and this is what you get when you include a state full of thugs in an event with music that is generally associated with and advocates violence, and is dominated by ignorant people with ignorant messages. Most gogo music and rap music is surrounded by ignorance and violence. Why would anyone be surprised when something like this happens at a DMV award that "honors these artists"?

  25. #25

    Heres the full video of the fight:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUwGIwqtxJE

  26. Times are a changing
    #26

    Merely because just years earlier if an incident like this would have happened. It would not be classified as a fight but it would have read a "murder" or "gunshots" at the event.

    All in all everyone attended planned to be on good behaviour.

    Don't get it twisted, I attended a gala that was predominantly white and all heck broke out due to the dislikes of the same race. It was funny and when it all boiled down to; the motivating factor was that the cash-bar was serving too fast and too long.

  27. #27

    Hip hop is the last refuge of the talentless. Why is so much of this scene filled with violent and ignorant people with zero values? Rap and hip hop are dead ends artistically and socially.
    Love to see how half of those posting here cannot even spell standard English-language words! LMAO

  28. #28

    I kinda agree with Change, until you started talking about thugs in DC...

    I think there is entirly too much mixing and mingling going on.....and it leads to problems like this.......and if the DMV thing is gonna be done, it needs to be done from the ground up........The DMV thing is a hip hop industry thing, not a street or common people thing....People from VA dont get along with MD, people from BMore dont get along with DC and vice versa................Thats not always the case, but a lot of it is true.....what people need to start doing is clickin up BEFORE you try to hold a DMV awards.....stop tryna get into the industry and love the next person NOW....before you pick up a mic and need to sell that person a CD........thats where the real unity comes in.....other than that...DC needs to stay DC, PG stays PG...VA......etc etc......all this mixing and mingling is needed cause cats need each other.....not cause they really rep the DMV

  29. #29

    Straight black men, women and liquor are a bad combination, I'm sorry. That's why anything that is even remotely hip-hop oriented I avoid like the plague. I stopped attending hip-hop shows and things back in my early twenties because things just got too crazy.

  30. #30

    @Change said, "DMV are three separate, visibly different states, not one whole. Does New York have an 'MLS Island Awards'? (Manhattan, Staten and Long Island)."

    Manhattan and Staten Island both belong to the same city: New York City. So yes, that would be rather silly.

    The idea that D.C., Maryland and (Northern) Virginia are so vastly different culturally is absurd. D.C. is the nucleus of this area and those who work, live and play in the area have a pretty common culture. Besides, D.C. in terms of population is a very SMALL city. It needs the suburbs of Maryland and Virginia to make the region impactful in any way.

    The problem isn't that the region is grouped together, it's that people just don't know how to act. Home training is a rarity. Also, it sounds like there weren't many rules enforced. Doors should've been closed, people should've been seated and alcohol probably shouldn't have been served.

    Those responsible for the fights need to be identified and banned from future DMV Awards.

  31. #31

    I agree with a few others above. There is no such thing as "DMV". It's so stupid. And you can't compare NYC, because, geographically, NY is just a huge city (Brooklyn alone is bigger than DC). I mean, seriously--Arlington? What? Who uses "DMV"? I've never heard anyone from DC use that acronym. I feel like it was thought-up by some advertising firm or something.

  32. #32

    @AYO, You don't think violence, gogo and rap are very closely related? Thugs and ignorance go hand in hand. Some crews in DC plan to go to GoGos just to meet up and beef with a specific crew, or whatever crew or people that one of them happens to feel like starting a beef with. I wouldn't be surprised if gogo music, originally DC music, and gogo clubs and fans have been at the center of more brutal fights, murders and attempted murders than even the rap game as a whole.

    Corrections Officers all over the US will tell you that DC inmates are generally some of the most disliked by them because of how so many of them behave, which reflects where and how many of these people are commonly raised. If you allow just anyone from an area as notorious as DC, for Black on Black crime, to enter an awards show for music that often glorifies and attracts as much violence and thugs as gogo and rap, then this should be expected.

    @WompWomp. But you got the point I was trying to make, silly. You don't seem to know much about the inner workings of many of the DC MD and VA parts that are related to a lot of the violence and hate that is common for the DMV area. Many people in VA and MD often claim to be from DC when they are not, which a lot of DC people take offense to. People in MD and VA are often, generally accused by many in DC of "trying to be like them". Baltimore people often accuse MD and VA people of "trying to be like DC". There has always been clear, noticeable differences and a general friction between many people from the three states.

    DC and Baltimore have a big problem with the idea that, "You don't live where or how I live so we are not the same". I am not talking about the radio personalities or how they talk about the DMV and DMV movement as if it is actually a legitimate movement, because they are all about business and trying to get as many listeners as possible so that they can help their own careers. How can you unite DMV when just DC alone cannot even unite? Even DMV police have had problems cooperating with each other in the past. Many people in Baltimore and DC don't even want to be considered part of the DMV unless they think they can make some money off of it or get more notoriety from it.

    There is not enough unity or mutual respect. DMV awards seem like just a way to make unimportant people feel important. Don't baby these people. Let them earn theirs like everyone else.

  33. #33

    This is the DC Region. The DC Region includes PG County and Northern VA. I'm born in DC raised in VA, love PG and shout all three. ALL hip-hop is not negative. All Go-Go is not negative. The fights at the awards show...sad.

  34. #34

    @ Change.....I dunno, I guess I didnt like your tone, just comes off as real....arrogant....but than again this is the internet so I could just be reading into it too much. But for the most part I agree with most of what you said. The DMV rap movement is a rap industry movement, most people that dont rap or arent associated with rap dont give a care a about each other's state/city/hood/area for the most part.

  35. #35

    this is good for the DMV cuz it put our name out their but dem niggas ignorant for fightin tho. @Change shut up u aint hav to write a whole paragraph Telln every1 how we do n da DMV. N wat u said dont even happen all the time. U Sicin it

  36. #36

    And to all the white people talkn shit about black people in here. FUCK U HONKEY

  37. #37

    Unlike a lot of people who are commenting on this post, my wife and I were actually there and can attest to EVERYTHING that Marcus J. Moore wrote. The event was highly unorganized, more people were performing off-stage as posers than they were on-stage, and the mixture of alcohol, overinflated egos and the overall Bushel of Crabs Syndrome that plagues the DMV can end up being a recipe for disaster. I honestly understand where a lot of people are coming from, and I don't have much of a defense pertaining to THIS mockery of a culture that I represent. I am almost ashamed to be associated with being a Black male from the "DMV" who LOVES the hip-hop culture after witnessing and, thankfully, escaping the buffoonery, the blatant disrespect for peace and order, and the lack of civility that took place.

    However, that leads me to one of my issues with some of the statements being made: a lot of people do not understand the hip-hop culture and never will. For some people, hip-hop is an image portrayed through the media as an avaricious, narcissistic, misogynistic and violently self-destructive breeding ground for self-serving individuals. I will not sit here and pretend that those images have not had a profound effect on music and pop culture, inner city life and many American "values" altogether. However, anyone that thinks that the ENTIRE hip-hop culture is "negative to the core" cannot possibly LISTEN to more hip-hop music than what is being put in their face. That's an insult to the Talib Kwelis, the Commons and the Black Thoughts of the hip-hop world. Hell, let's keep it local: that's an insult to the Gods'illas of the world--who happened to win the DMV Award for Album of the Year. Darn near every song they had on their album was uplifting and encouraging on social, emotional, mental and spiritual levels. So please stop insulting an ENTIRE culture that contains numerous subcultures with the "negative to the core" or "nihilistic" argument, and please don't be naive to think that you can escape LISTENING to ANY musical genre to understand that it runs MUCH deeper than what mainstream radio and video outlets ALLOW the average listener or viewer to hear or see.

    As for the argument against the idea of the "DMV", I completely disagree. If Southern rappers unite ALL the time--despite representing their individual cities and states--then why can't D.C., Maryland and Virginia band together and make an entire movement? While he may not necessarily be the best example, T.I. doesn't call himself the "King of Atlanta" or the "King of Georgia"; he calls himself the "King of the South" because he understands that Southern music is a movement bigger than just Atlanta, Houston, Miami, New Orleans or any other Southern area--like many of the rest of the artists from the South. That's why they're always working together, and that's why they are running rap and hip-hop right now, like it or not.

    Besides, it's not the artists that create most of the drama because many of them respect their craft and the responsibility that comes along with it. It's the fans, groupies and "supporters" who create a lot of the division--much like at this event. They're the ones saying stuff like "the DMV doesn't include Baltimore" or "the DMV is only within the beltway", and that's where I take issue because it's representative of the dilemma that hip-hop in the DMV cannot progress beyond the borders. The people who you want to support you don't believe in you unless you're endorsed by somebody they already like, i.e., the Lil' Waynes, the Gucci Manes and the Rick Rosses of the world. Nevertheless, while I do feel that too many people go too far out of their way to mention that they're from the DMV, I see nothing wrong with uniting the areas--especially since NONE of the entities by themselves are that big. Power is truly in numbers, and again, you can look at the South as a perfect example of that.

    My biggest issue, however, is with saying the people receiving awards aren't talented enough or it celebrates "unimportant people". These people are important because they are brave enough to do what a lot of people are afraid to do: go after their dreams. Who are you to minimize ANYONE'S dream? Who are you to determine who and who isn't important just because they don't have some major-label deal or because they're doing their absolute best to expand beyond an area that ONLY wants them to be local? As a producer AND recording artist born and raised in D.C., that's a slap in my face (and I wasn't even up for an award) because I respect many of these artists wholeheartedly for the blood, sweat and tears they put into their craft. You can't sit there and tell me that rappers like Pro'Verb or RAtheMC don't deserve to be applauded or that producers like Mark Henry, Best Kept Secret or Judah aren't talented enough--especially when the latter of the three has produced for nationally-known hip-hop artists. Though I will admit that I am not a fan of EVERY single person's subject matter or some of the crowds that many of the artists bring along with them, I respect their hustle nonetheless--especially if there's a level of art and ability involved. I just feel that the comments like the ones that I have issues with are coming from very uninformed places. Correct me if I'm wrong...

    Bottom line, it all comes back to the fact that this IS a black eye on the face of DMV music, arts and entertainment. (No pun intended whatsoever.) I was HEATED coming from an event that I paid $35 per ticket, only to be around predominantly rude, ostentatious, and arrogant people for the entire 10 minutes BEFORE the 5-6 fights commenced. I do feel like the belligerent, callous acts of a few was the summation of the overall mood of the event AND a possible indictment of many of the folks in our area who call themselves "DMV representatives" or "hip-hop lovers". However, the biggest thing that can be learned from this event is one of the most age-old sayings ever: united we stand, divided we fall. Character as an individual, as a movement, as a people and/or as a culture is defined not by how people function in the easiest scenarios, but by how people overcome the adverse situations. This can only make the DMV arts & entertainment movement much stronger than it already is. You can't stop progress if it's meant to happen.

  38. #38

    @Change You sound like you are either part of the problem or you roll with individuals who were are the center of this animalistic behavior.

    You're right, I don't roll with people like that. Don't want to. Anyone who is territorial over state lines is ridiculous. Claiming territory that they don't even own. And for what?

    Like I said, the DMV isn't the problem. It's the people. And if the people are too foolish to see that the region has a better chance at making an impact by working together rather than individually, then expect the hip hop scene in this region to stay small and unnoticed for a very long time.

    Y'all got some growing up to do.

  39. #39

    @Ayo, I guess it was. I tend to talk like that when I'm talking about thugs, violence and violent associated music among Blacks. So many people, especially young Black kids, think that thugs and violence are cool and something to admire so I often find myself being extremely critical when discussing them, coming off as very arrogant.

    I would bet money that most of the music that DMV artists create is thug related, even if some of it does show talent, which I believe is a big reason why Wale is the only rapper from the DMV to make it big outside the DMV.

    I try to get across that these thuggish actions and thugs are not to be celebrated or put on peta-stools. Like a lot of rap, a lot of gogo has also been created and influenced by thugs, and it has a large, thug fan base. It's bad enough that many of the youth try to be like the rappers they see on tv who are not even who they pretend to be. I can't imagine that many, if any of these DMV artists are any better as role models, or worth the trouble of having this award show. So let them make it on their own.

  40. #40

    @WompWomp. No, but i did grow up with thugs that behaved like that. I still associate with some thugs in my neighborhood, or the few of my childhood thug friends that are not dead or in jail, but I dont support this type of behavior in any way and I never did participate in that type of behavior that we saw there.

    DMV is the problem. People are using this DMV stage for publicity and fame when they are lacking enough real talent. There is no DMV in the first place, unless you are talking about one radio host, dj or artist trying to eat off the plate of the next one because he or she cannot make it farther on their own. It's more about publicity and money for those behind and participating in the DMV movement.

    They claim territory that they dont own because most people want to belong to something bigger than them. It's the same reason plenty of people pledge in college or join clubs and gangs, only most of these people claim what and where they were born into or grew up in, with friends that they grew up with and not strangers. Claiming and representing someplace you are not from isn't all that better, and neither is claiming DMV, period. As you asked me, for what? It's the same reason most people claim to be from where they are not, or claim other things or people that they don't own.

  41. #41

    @Change So let's say the term "DMV" disappears. What then? What's been solved by that?

    Nothing.

    Outside of the context of hip hop, this region thinks and works together. People from Maryland shop in Tyson's Corner, Virginians travel to Downtown Silver Spring and everybody works and parties in DC. So really, I just don't get the gripe.

  42. #42

    "Can We All Just Get Along!"

  43. #43

    @WompWomp What's been solved is no more DMV awards making the DMV area look bad for lack of highly respectable talent and lack or organization, respect and unity. You think just because a lot of people shop, travel, work or party in DC VA and MD then anyone from any of those places should claim the DMV in the same way that other artists claim where they are from for recognition? Hip Hop mainly represents the Blacks in the region. Outside of shopping, working, and partying at the same places, many of those Blacks in the region tend to not do much outside their own, generally.

    When it comes to money, education and the crime rate, Va would rather not be associated with MD and DC, and Maryland would rather not be associated with DC. The gripe is picking and choosing when and how DC MD and VA are associated. Neither VA nor MD would pass a vote to have DC included with them, so it's not fair that each can piggyback the other whenever they can benefit, but they don't do much to help or support the other if it doesn't benefit them.

    Either you are talking about the DMV awards/DMV black community or you are talking about DC, MD and VA as a whole, but either way there is no real unity. The term DMV, when referred to music, is just a way for many less talented people to piggyback off the other with no real substance behind it. My gripe is the phonyness behind the DMV. I saw on youtube where 92Q, I think, were feeding the beef between Wale and Bossman. DMV is all for show.

  44. #44

    Oh boy. The way you talk you'd think that the DMV area was Iraq, with warring ethnic groups and land disputes.

  45. #45

    Anyway, Change. It doesn't sound like you have much faith in the area and that you're happy to see the DMV Awards implode. Enjoy delighting in the ruins.

  46. #46

    @WompWomp I don't have much faith in the area and I would rather the awards not be if they are not going to be real and seriously unified about it, and find some real talent worth recognizing. If I saw or heard more talent or unity coming from the area then maybe I would have faith. That's the way you think about the DMV, because the way I talk about it is how it generally is. I wish it didn't implode how it did because it makes Black and the area look worse than they already do, but nothing can be done to change what already happened. Yeah, I really made it sound like Iraq, not. You get a WompWomp for that.

  47. #47

    Man cats try to hard to be the next hood instead of being the next talent...in 2011, you really think cats care about the dmv? Like what seperates the dmv from the next place......? That aintt a dis to dc va or md........atl was atl......Texas wad Texas....ny....all of that........we missed that whole boatride 7 years ago....with technology at an all time high......dudes not tryna hear ur story.....they tryna make their own.....the dmv is late.....cats shoulda been tryna click up back then

  48. #48

    @Ayo For one, GoGo separates them from everywhere else. It's often an acquired taste in music for most people outside of the DMV. Baltimore and DC have their own, different styles of clothes and footwear that many commonly wear, and slang they use, and you can often tell them apart from the other that way.

    DC have their own clothing lines that were founded in DC. Many of the residents, in different parts of the DMV, wear and support a few of these clothing lines.

    Some popular DC gogo bands have done shows for fans that they have outside of the DMV. Quite a few big rappers have performed with gogo bands. DC have the originality, but I suspect that most of them just lack the talent and drive outside of gogo music.

    GoGo has always been more about the beat, without a need or care for any lyrics. While the rest of the country was focusing on making talented rhymes to put to rap beats, the DMV/DC were focusing on making gogo beats and adding gogo lyrics.

    But I agree with you that they should have been trying to click up sooner instead of trying to jump in the game all late, bringing other associates with them as if they come as a package deal, throwing chairs around, acting as if they already made it big and don't care about hurting any of the DMV artists chances of getting some respectful notice or consideration from the music industry.

    What happened there was not an unfamiliar sight nor experience to anyone that frequents DC Gogos. They should be glad that nobody got shot or stabbed, during or after the altercation.

  49. #49

    In Response to @curiousgeorge & anyone else who hold similar opinions as his/her's.

    Hip-Hop is NOT a negative culture, nor has it ever been. For you or anyone else to say that, shows that without doubt YOU do NOT know the history of Hip-Hop let alone the meaning of the word itself.

    Hip-Hop is NOT "Rap". "Rap" is the spoken word of Hip-Hop, but that's for another debate. the point here I'm attempting to make is that Hip-Hop as a culture is not geared or centered towards negativity.

    Within ANY sub-culture in America you will have elements within it who see using physical force as the only means to solve a dispute or disagreement, but it should NEVER be seen as the entire mind-set or attitude of that particular sub-culture.

    I am not excusing the actions at the 2011 DMV Awards, but I am (as a fan and participant within the culture) not going to allow someone to paint the entire culture in a negative light.

  50. #50

    point blank it was'nt about rap why the fight broke out and if you from dc or pg or any hood in the usa you would see from the clip and know that it's a hood issue! they just brought it to the awards show. It has nothing to do with arrogance and rap music! when you go to this award show and it's near or in dc or pg you are going to get hoods that ride for each other that come to these events to support neighborhood talent. They booed each other cuz on the streets they don't like each other and they beefin! regardless if the artist is better or not when it's street beef everything flies out the window!

  51. #51

    All, please attend the Time to Build Town Hall Meeting on Sunday, a dialogue about the issues and solutions facing the DMV Music Community and solutions....led by 20 influential power players.

    Register at http://timetobuilddmv.eventbrite.com/

  52. #52

    The issues facing the DMV Music Community are related to the same issues facing the DMV Community. If you focus on fixing the problems in the communities then it will reflect on the music that the community creates, supports, and how the artists and fans treat and respect one another. People should be more concerned with solutions on helping those many less fortunate in the community, and be less concerned with music artists. If these artists have talent and want this music life bad enough, and they apply themselves then I don't see why they need the special needs attention, treatment and support that other talented and non talented artists don't get.

    It seems that a lot people feel that if they can't get any immediate notoriety from people that could potentially put money in their pockets or support them in what they are doing, then they don't care to help them. The everyday, non artists, non radio personalities, non djs and non music business people in the DMV area need help, but these everyday people are not already in the position to someday return the (publicity and business) favor to the people behind this so they are not important to them like some of these local artists are.

    From what I have gathered about the DMV Awards and the "unfair" voting and nominating process that have been complained about in the past, the awards are more focused on simply recognizing artists and certain people in the business, and less focused on recognizing actual, respectable talent. What a joke.

    Your Time to Build Town Hall Meeting should be less about the music and more about the people that live in the communities, their lifestyle and what can be done to make it better for them. Why not just have a Million Music March and have discussions about the issues and possible solutions, just to go back to the same way things were once everyone goes home? Everybody gets to feel important again for the day as if their voice and presence has any significant, short term or long term impact on the community as a whole, and then things go back to the same way they have been. When you have greedy, fake, or just people with their own self interests in mind trying to lead or guide others, nothing substantial will be solved.

    It's quite pathetic that DMV has to do all of this just to get themselves and their artists recognized. DMV is a joke. There are far, far more important issues that the DMV could be getting together to discuss solutions for, but instead they have their music industry at the forefront of their minds as if the DMV produces many spectacular artists or great messages to offer the music world, or just their own community. This sounds like another publicity stage and waste of time. I don't care to have 20 influential power players lead me in dialogues about the issues and solutions facing the "DMV MUSIC Community."

  53. #53

    First. I'm African American and I find it really sad that we still have those hateful racist comments I read earlier in the comments. But unlike you and your ignorance I won't make stupid generalizations about other races. If you think similar violence doesn't exist at white events then you are either stupid or once again someone has done a good job of NOT covering it or covering it up.

    Now let me address the other issues.
    First off. HipHop needs to be broken into categories. All HipHop is not the same. You have some meaningful stuff and then you have your hate, I'm a thug, you a itch and everybody is a igga. I consider my women much better than that and would like to see that portion, because not all women allow it, of our ladies to stop teaching and preaching it because if I see you on the street and call you it you have a problem with which contradicts everything no matter how you fake the philosophy behind doing it. The same with the igga word.
    Those backing its use are no better off then the sad people who follow cults and commit suicide over their follower.

    If you/we want respect it begins with me/you. PERIOD!!!!!
    Money is not going to do it though some are foolish to believe it. Ask around. McNabb has plenty do you see him getting respect???????

    Stop seperating yourself from these acts. I hear people claiming it doesn't affect them. What planet are you from? Whatever one of us does unfortunately leaves a stain on us all. Pretend all you want but run that circle will get you no where, if you get my drift.

    Stop pretending you not what you promote. If you promote thug actions then you attract thugs to your events. You basically are selling out, but when something like this comes up you claim it ain't you. Well guess what? IT IS YOU!!! You keep pumping the hate and many times ignorance, not all artist mind you so don't go there, out to feed public perception. Women want respect but the world hear you calling one another itch. Men want respect, but you call one another igga and showing your draws like a prisoner who wants to be done over.

    So who do you HONESTLY think will show up? Just because you promote to other people of all races doesn't mean your thugs you promote will not show up. You SHOULD expect it if you are not stupid. I'm sure many of you are not, but lets be for real. I'm sure this isn't the first time you've had something and tempers flared am I right? As long as you promote thugs you will get thugs and even if you keep them out you are still part of them because your target audience are those that support walking around pretending they so hard rather than making something of themselves.

    Finally... how many of you out of 1500 people have gone to the police to provide information to capture the very people you does not represent you?????????????? HOW MANY?? If you were there and you witnessed and haven't done so then you are NO BETTER than those thugs who screwed up your show.

    You want to seperate yourselves from them then as they say on the street "handle your business".

    All the PR comments in the world will not change the perception now out there. ACTIONS that produce RESULTS will.

    The ball is in your court. Now. What are YOU going to do?

  54. #54

    Preach Change!!!!
    I asked the same question when I read the details of this Town Hall Meeting. I ask now what is really the true purpose and how will they measure their goals????
    I can guarantee you this. They will CONTINUE thug'n. They will continue using the itch and igga words along with cursing with each and every verse. Until THEY are ready for compromise nothing will be accomplished. I'd challenge EVERY LAST artist to produce an album with no use of cursing or igga in their lyrics. Let me change that. Mixtapes is the thing now. How about enough mixtapes that would produce and album that would meet that demand. Just ONCE. After that they can go back and do what they like.

    They need to get a clue and realize if they really want to grow they need to make their music and lyrics more acceptable to a broader audience. Because really with everyone itch this and itch that and I'm a igga and you a igga it all begans to sound so much a like.

    So if they want to walk around like a thug then they can't distance themselves once things really get negative like this awards show.

    "Your Time to Build Town Hall Meeting should be less about the music and more about the people that live in the communities, their lifestyle and what can be done to make it better for them. Why not just have a Million Music March and have discussions about the issues and possible solutions, just to go back to the same way things were once everyone goes home? Everybody gets to feel important again for the day as if their voice and presence has any significant, short term or long term impact on the community as a whole, and then things go back to the same way they have been. When you have greedy, fake, or just people with their own self interests in mind trying to lead or guide others, nothing substantial will be solved.

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