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		<title>By: Mike Miles</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2009/06/24/head-rocs-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-101462</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plantation? The town is 65%+ Black. The mayor and majority of council are black. There is a strong black working and middle and upper class. There are two quite Black universities in town, not counting Trinity. There is a lot of Black culture in town. And there are another 500,000+ Blacks in the metro area. So why the whine? Tain&#039;t perfect. but is better,

Maybe we Black people are ready to identify as being more than just Black? Maybe some of us want more rainbow city than chocolate city. Maybe we&#039;re tired of brothers unable to come up with a noun other than mothafucker.

Are there white bands playing their hearts out for peanuts? Sure.  Are they entitle to prompt success? No. Do they receive prompt success? No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plantation? The town is 65%+ Black. The mayor and majority of council are black. There is a strong black working and middle and upper class. There are two quite Black universities in town, not counting Trinity. There is a lot of Black culture in town. And there are another 500,000+ Blacks in the metro area. So why the whine? Tain't perfect. but is better,</p>
<p>Maybe we Black people are ready to identify as being more than just Black? Maybe some of us want more rainbow city than chocolate city. Maybe we're tired of brothers unable to come up with a noun other than mothafucker.</p>
<p>Are there white bands playing their hearts out for peanuts? Sure.  Are they entitle to prompt success? No. Do they receive prompt success? No.</p>
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		<title>By: Head-Roc</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2009/06/24/head-rocs-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-54141</link>
		<dc:creator>Head-Roc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>realist, your post is obnoxious. 

it says &quot;more often than we&#039;d like&quot;, not &quot;most of the time&quot; 20 people show up. again, your taking it out of context to put forth and ANONYMOUS response is obnoxious. you know that though... you meant to be.

slow days are a part of any business operation. but let me answer your question..

when 20 people show up and pay $10 to see me, and the venue didnt do shit to get folks in the door... give me my fucking $200 dollars. ill let you keep the bar. 

you, the venue, should have done more to get folks out to YOUR club that i entertain in. i did my part, played a great fucking show PLUS brought 20 heads through to enjoy it. they drank your liquore and ate your food too, didnt they? what did you do? nothing. 

and thats my point. dont penalize me cause you are a predator in thinking just cause you built it, im supposed to worship it and break my neck to pack it. you gotta pay me upfront to do that kind of WORK outside of my expertise, which is rocking the socks off of anyone in front of me. 

venues need to hire street teams that convince peole to come to their spot for the best &quot;whatever&quot;. 

pompous ass. i know who you are, too. anonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>realist, your post is obnoxious. </p>
<p>it says "more often than we'd like", not "most of the time" 20 people show up. again, your taking it out of context to put forth and ANONYMOUS response is obnoxious. you know that though... you meant to be.</p>
<p>slow days are a part of any business operation. but let me answer your question..</p>
<p>when 20 people show up and pay $10 to see me, and the venue didnt do shit to get folks in the door... give me my fucking $200 dollars. ill let you keep the bar. </p>
<p>you, the venue, should have done more to get folks out to YOUR club that i entertain in. i did my part, played a great fucking show PLUS brought 20 heads through to enjoy it. they drank your liquore and ate your food too, didnt they? what did you do? nothing. </p>
<p>and thats my point. dont penalize me cause you are a predator in thinking just cause you built it, im supposed to worship it and break my neck to pack it. you gotta pay me upfront to do that kind of WORK outside of my expertise, which is rocking the socks off of anyone in front of me. </p>
<p>venues need to hire street teams that convince peole to come to their spot for the best "whatever". </p>
<p>pompous ass. i know who you are, too. anonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: realist</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2009/06/24/head-rocs-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-48115</link>
		<dc:creator>realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quote:&quot;Who shows up to play their hearts out, on a sunny o r rainy day, to a crowd of 20 people who paid $10 to come hear great music? And more often than we like, we do all that funking promoting and only 20 people show up &quot;

That sums up the real problem: after all the promoting, you only managed to bring 20 people to the shows??
What is the music establishment supposed to do about that? Seems like the problem is really with the ability to attract and hold a crowd...it is a simple business model: if you were to bring let&#039;s say even 100 people to a show, the music establishment would have to start dealing with you on a $ level, which is what really seems to be your issue.
What happened to the good old days (circa 1989) when bands like Fugazi and Lucy Brown would &quot;rent&quot; out then All Saints church and play to sold out crowds? Them were the days... 
It&#039;s crazy how dependant on the establishment we, as independant artist,have become . We want to be indenpendant, yet we feel we are owed something from the establishment. Why not rent out a place, a system, throw your own event? You reap all the profit and control the event.
It has proved to a succesfull model in the past, but it does require a following and some hustle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quote:"Who shows up to play their hearts out, on a sunny o r rainy day, to a crowd of 20 people who paid $10 to come hear great music? And more often than we like, we do all that funking promoting and only 20 people show up "</p>
<p>That sums up the real problem: after all the promoting, you only managed to bring 20 people to the shows??<br />
What is the music establishment supposed to do about that? Seems like the problem is really with the ability to attract and hold a crowd...it is a simple business model: if you were to bring let's say even 100 people to a show, the music establishment would have to start dealing with you on a $ level, which is what really seems to be your issue.<br />
What happened to the good old days (circa 1989) when bands like Fugazi and Lucy Brown would "rent" out then All Saints church and play to sold out crowds? Them were the days...<br />
It's crazy how dependant on the establishment we, as independant artist,have become . We want to be indenpendant, yet we feel we are owed something from the establishment. Why not rent out a place, a system, throw your own event? You reap all the profit and control the event.<br />
It has proved to a succesfull model in the past, but it does require a following and some hustle...</p>
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		<title>By: J.Akua</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Akua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am new to the DC area music scene, but since I have been to a few local shows- I know that there are some amazing indie artists in DC! I know that things are hard everywhere, but we must do something to support artist in this area.  These folks are performing and leaving their hearts on stage! I just wish more venues would step up and support them. It would be a disgrace to see talented musicians and artist give up their crafts or take them to a more welcoming spot outside of DC. Let&#039;s give DC&#039;s indie artists the love, support, and financial compensation that they truly deserve!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to the DC area music scene, but since I have been to a few local shows- I know that there are some amazing indie artists in DC! I know that things are hard everywhere, but we must do something to support artist in this area.  These folks are performing and leaving their hearts on stage! I just wish more venues would step up and support them. It would be a disgrace to see talented musicians and artist give up their crafts or take them to a more welcoming spot outside of DC. Let's give DC's indie artists the love, support, and financial compensation that they truly deserve!</p>
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		<title>By: John Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Roc, John from Lucky Dub here, couldn&#039;t feel you more on this issue.  After playing in the DC area for years and promoting for various bands, I&#039;ve found that venues expect to do just about jack squat while holding overly high expectations for bands to bring bodies.  Even more often, the more established venues feel entitled to take money from the door even though they&#039;re making exponentially more at the bar, making it even harder for bands to earn a respectable keep for the night.  They have gotten away with it for too long, however, I feel with this current economy, times are a changin&#039;.  

Many bars and clubs in the area are hurtin&#039; and they&#039;re typical events are not bringing in enough customers.  Many places that traditionally only catered to one crowd or have never had live music before are opening up to new ideas.  It&#039;s time for artists to take the power back!  We have the power now to create the parameters for entertainment, the venues need us to attract bodies.  We can set cover charges, how much we get vs. what the bar gets, drink specials, how/when merchandise is sold, etc as long as we can guarantee a turnout.  Also, this situation puts much more pressure on clubs to do their own promotion which is ,as you discussed, the real back breaking work in the entertainment biz. 

Glad to hear about this blog, if I don&#039;t see you before then, catch you at the Capital Hip Hop and Soul Fest!  PS-Nice performance at the Summer Solstice Fest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Roc, John from Lucky Dub here, couldn't feel you more on this issue.  After playing in the DC area for years and promoting for various bands, I've found that venues expect to do just about jack squat while holding overly high expectations for bands to bring bodies.  Even more often, the more established venues feel entitled to take money from the door even though they're making exponentially more at the bar, making it even harder for bands to earn a respectable keep for the night.  They have gotten away with it for too long, however, I feel with this current economy, times are a changin'.  </p>
<p>Many bars and clubs in the area are hurtin' and they're typical events are not bringing in enough customers.  Many places that traditionally only catered to one crowd or have never had live music before are opening up to new ideas.  It's time for artists to take the power back!  We have the power now to create the parameters for entertainment, the venues need us to attract bodies.  We can set cover charges, how much we get vs. what the bar gets, drink specials, how/when merchandise is sold, etc as long as we can guarantee a turnout.  Also, this situation puts much more pressure on clubs to do their own promotion which is ,as you discussed, the real back breaking work in the entertainment biz. </p>
<p>Glad to hear about this blog, if I don't see you before then, catch you at the Capital Hip Hop and Soul Fest!  PS-Nice performance at the Summer Solstice Fest.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Anders</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2009/06/24/head-rocs-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-26632</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Anders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like every independant artist , muscian, cab driver, vendor, etc is having a hard time making a living in what will soon be known as less chocolate, more cream in the coffee DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like every independant artist , muscian, cab driver, vendor, etc is having a hard time making a living in what will soon be known as less chocolate, more cream in the coffee DC.</p>
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